M16 fullauto or 3 shot burst

Snijro · 03-01-2007, 10:08 PM

Ok here the thing thats getting me the most. I read as much as i can about gun and the different gun makes and models, but one thing i cant get clear is that are m16s now full auto and during the 60s-70s 3 shot burst or is it the other way around i dont kno any one in the military so i cant ask them. thanks for the help on a dumb ?.

lefty o · 03-01-2007, 10:19 PM

current rifles are 3 shot burst.

tbonecpk · 03-02-2007, 03:38 AM

yup current are 3 rnd burst (military anyway) civilian still semiauto though somehow brandon got the AR-15 at the range to do 3rnd burst kind of a fluke but hey that AR-15 has issues lol

bigandrich44 · 03-02-2007, 06:34 AM

M16A1: Semi, full
M16A2:Semi, Burst
M16A3:Semi, full
M16A4:Semi, Burst

All off of wikipedia.com

Otter · 03-02-2007, 06:56 AM

Since the A2, the M16 is available as full auto or burst. The United States Government went with burst, but the rifle can be ordered with full auto or burst. I believe the Canadian Government continues to use the full auto.

bigandrich44 · 03-02-2007, 05:10 PM

Burst would be more accurate, but produces an insanely heavy trigger pull and some flaws with the burst mechanism.

Beer Forever · 03-02-2007, 05:37 PM

If you get the Tapco set up you have all the options. Starts at safe goes to full auto then semi and last is burst.

chad McEwan · 03-02-2007, 08:23 PM

While serving in the Marine corps as a grunt, 0311 rifle man. I trained with the m16A2. I have fired many, many rounds on the 3 round burst, it's used a mainly for supression fire to keep the enemy's heads down so you can move. You will not be as accurate on burst but you should hit your target while empting a mag. I never had a problem while using burst mode. We used the colt model.

bigandrich44 · 03-02-2007, 09:45 PM

On all the articles I read, they say if you pull the trigger twice, it will stop the burst mid fire. So, the next trigger pull would only fire one shot. I personally would rather have a light trigger pull M16 rifle, so I could rapid tap it, having the same effect as 3 round burst.

felix cortinas · 03-05-2007, 10:24 PM

I served in the early 70"s and can tell you, you are gonna get more accuracy with semi-auto, if you want to keep their heads down, full auto will work but can be a waste of ammo. the barrel climb was still minimal compared to the M-14.

wolverine · 03-06-2007, 12:50 AM

The A2 model has a "burst memory" due to the design of the mechanism. So if you fire two rounds and let go, you will only fire one round the next pull. They tought us to yank back the trigger when we were firing burst and it would fire all three rounds before your muscle reflex would release it. I always thoguht the burst fire modification was a crutch for poor training. If you let your troops shoot on the ranges enough, they will develop trigger control on a full auto weapon that mimics a burst weapon. Thats why you see alot of the elite units going to full auto M4 configuration weapons. They have the advantage of fire suppression FA and they also practice enough to have proper trigger control.

SW

Moss500Bantam · 03-06-2007, 06:17 AM

Thanks wolverine. I never could figure out where those single shots where comming from in burst. makes sense.

E-4forever · 03-25-2007, 01:49 AM

When shooting from a moving vehicle, a last man standing situation or firing at a moving target, auto would be much better. In theory I see no need for burst as they train us mainly with semi use only.

In practice though you don't have to to high of a ASVAB score to be an Infantryman and leaders having the ability to control there soldier rate of fire and ammo consumption by not making there personal weapon have the full auto "rock&roll" selection is probably a good thing. I have ran into some real smart infantryman but i've also had my share gommer piles

SPC D.
A co 3/116th INF BCT, 29TH ID
"Stonewall Brigade"

DWARREN123 · 03-25-2007, 11:09 AM

I like the full auto mode. When I wanted full auto I needed it otherwise semi worked.

03-01-2007, 10:08 PM	#1
Snijro Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 93 Trader Rating: (0)	M16 fullauto or 3 shot burst Ok here the thing thats getting me the most. I read as much as i can about gun and the different gun makes and models, but one thing i cant get clear is that are m16s now full auto and during the 60s-70s 3 shot burst or is it the other way around i dont kno any one in the military so i cant ask them. thanks for the help on a dumb ?.

03-02-2007, 03:38 AM	#3
tbonecpk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Diego Cal Posts: 1,582 Trader Rating: (0)	yup current are 3 rnd burst (military anyway) civilian still semiauto though somehow brandon got the AR-15 at the range to do 3rnd burst kind of a fluke but hey that AR-15 has issues lol __________________ "Speak softly but carry a big stick" -Teddy Roosevelt

03-02-2007, 06:56 AM	#5
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 940 Trader Rating: (0)	Since the A2, the M16 is available as full auto or burst. The United States Government went with burst, but the rifle can be ordered with full auto or burst. I believe the Canadian Government continues to use the full auto. __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

03-02-2007, 05:37 PM	#7
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,696 Trader Rating: (0)	If you get the Tapco set up you have all the options. Starts at safe goes to full auto then semi and last is burst. __________________ Paramedic sks forever

03-05-2007, 10:24 PM	#10
felix cortinas Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 144 Trader Rating: (0)	M-16 burst I served in the early 70"s and can tell you, you are gonna get more accuracy with semi-auto, if you want to keep their heads down, full auto will work but can be a waste of ammo. the barrel climb was still minimal compared to the M-14.

03-01-2007, 10:19 PM	#2
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,691 Trader Rating: (0)	current rifles are 3 shot burst.

03-02-2007, 06:34 AM	#4
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	M16A1: Semi, full M16A2:Semi, Burst M16A3:Semi, full M16A4:Semi, Burst All off of wikipedia.com

03-02-2007, 05:10 PM	#6
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	Burst would be more accurate, but produces an insanely heavy trigger pull and some flaws with the burst mechanism.

03-02-2007, 08:23 PM	#8
chad McEwan Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0)	While serving in the Marine corps as a grunt, 0311 rifle man. I trained with the m16A2. I have fired many, many rounds on the 3 round burst, it's used a mainly for supression fire to keep the enemy's heads down so you can move. You will not be as accurate on burst but you should hit your target while empting a mag. I never had a problem while using burst mode. We used the colt model.

03-02-2007, 09:45 PM	#9
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	On all the articles I read, they say if you pull the trigger twice, it will stop the burst mid fire. So, the next trigger pull would only fire one shot. I personally would rather have a light trigger pull M16 rifle, so I could rapid tap it, having the same effect as 3 round burst.

03-06-2007, 12:50 AM	#11
wolverine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 132 Trader Rating: (0)	The A2 model has a "burst memory" due to the design of the mechanism. So if you fire two rounds and let go, you will only fire one round the next pull. They tought us to yank back the trigger when we were firing burst and it would fire all three rounds before your muscle reflex would release it. I always thoguht the burst fire modification was a crutch for poor training. If you let your troops shoot on the ranges enough, they will develop trigger control on a full auto weapon that mimics a burst weapon. Thats why you see alot of the elite units going to full auto M4 configuration weapons. They have the advantage of fire suppression FA and they also practice enough to have proper trigger control. SW __________________ http://snfwtp.blogspot.com/

03-06-2007, 06:17 AM	#12
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 253 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks wolverine. I never could figure out where those single shots where comming from in burst. makes sense.

03-25-2007, 01:49 AM	#13
E-4forever Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Appalachian Mountains of Ol' Virginia Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	When shooting from a moving vehicle, a last man standing situation or firing at a moving target, auto would be much better. In theory I see no need for burst as they train us mainly with semi use only. In practice though you don't have to to high of a ASVAB score to be an Infantryman and leaders having the ability to control there soldier rate of fire and ammo consumption by not making there personal weapon have the full auto "rock&roll" selection is probably a good thing. I have ran into some real smart infantryman but i've also had my share gommer piles SPC D. A co 3/116th INF BCT, 29TH ID "Stonewall Brigade"

03-25-2007, 11:09 AM	#14
DWARREN123 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: BETWEEN TN & KY Posts: 750 Trader Rating: (0)	I like the full auto mode. When I wanted full auto I needed it otherwise semi worked. __________________ Have a nice day!