Will wolf ammo hurt my dpms ???? - Page 2

knightRider · 04-12-2007, 04:37 PM

is that ammo reloads ???

just_a_car · 04-12-2007, 05:15 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I like pictures.... a thousand words and whatnot.

The Box O' Truth - Educational Zone #18 - Shooting Wolf steel-cased Ammo in an AR15

This will show you the difference between laquer- and polymer-coated ammo. It will also show you how the rounds work in an AR15. It will also tell you how to properly shoot it.

Moss500Bantam · 04-12-2007, 08:47 PM

How hard is the steel case on the extractor, just curious?

Pred · 04-12-2007, 09:08 PM

It will be fine.

knightRider · 04-13-2007, 08:42 AM

well i have the wolf steel cased 55 grain ther grey so no polmer or laquar i think ?

so im fireing it weeeeeeee

just_a_car · 04-13-2007, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knightRider

well i have the wolf steel cased 55 grain ther grey so no polmer or laquar i think ?

so im fireing it weeeeeeee

Did you look at the link I posted?...

The grey would be the polymer.

Mooseman684 · 04-13-2007, 12:10 PM

Those Grey ones look just like my Sellior & Bellot .223 ammo....Good stuff!
Rich

knightRider · 04-13-2007, 01:23 PM

just a car i read it and it said that it was dirty but no harm no foul just dont use the laqured wolf ammo > r thats what i took from it .

Pred · 04-13-2007, 02:28 PM

Yeah, saying Wolf is dirty is an understatement. One mag of Wolf in my G3 is about the same as going 8-10 mags of the South African .308.....

knightRider · 04-13-2007, 02:35 PM

pred did you read just a cars thread ? if so what did you take from it ?

azguy · 04-15-2007, 04:17 AM

Wolf ammo in an AR reciver? I thought all wolf ammo had steel casings, won't that scratch or ding up the eject port on an AR reciver. My AK loves wolf ammo, I've always been too afraid to shoot wolf in anything other than my AK. Is the "wolf ammo bad",in an AR just an urban legend myth, or an evil conspracy used to scare shooters away from a great deal in ammo?

knightRider · 04-15-2007, 11:57 AM

azguy from what ive read i think its a myth

RooTFantastic · 05-20-2008, 08:10 PM

a buddy and myself both bought dpms ar15a4 's about a month ago.

i came across a good deal at a gun show and bought a case of remington 65gr for 175 bucks...

he bought some wolf, i think his half case was 160 or so... 270 rounds into the case ( about two hours) his gun jammed. tried to remove the bad round and continue, and nothing would happen.

come to find out one of his gas rings had bent and was COVERED in sticky trash from all the shit they put in thier rounds.

we burried the other 220 rounds in a huge hole and now we need to get a new bolt because the rings scratched it.

meanwhile i ran through the case of remington and a few hundred rounds of federal, and a light cleaning was all it took. about 1500 rounds in 4 and a half hours.

DONT SHOOT WOLF. its shit.

Darkfront · 05-20-2008, 08:52 PM

I hate cleaning my AR as it is when I shoot Remington. I can only imagine with Wolf ammo. I'm not worried about the polymer, as I hear it's not going to melt, but the seal and carbon blow by is a problem, and not just because of extraction issues. I'm wondering if the blow-by of gas because of a poor seal can do anything to erode the chamber prematurely?

at4rxj · 05-20-2008, 09:23 PM

Bottom line is that yes, there is better stuff out there.

(the following is all my opinion...)
Wolf ammo is a lot better than it used to be. The polymer coated stuff doesn't leave the "gummy" residue that the lacquered stuff did. Where you will have a problem is if you shoot a lot of wolf, then go and try to shoot brass cased stuff. The steel cased ammo will allow a little more buildup in the chamber as it doesn't expand like the brass cased stuff. If the brass cased ammo is shot afterwards, it will expand onto the dirty chamber and "hang" or "stick" very slightly. This adds to the wear on your extractor and probably the gas system as well.

I've shot quite a bit of wolf through my ar's, and have only had one problem with it. As USMC said... for plinking and practice, it's fine, as long as you clean it afterwards and don't mind the extra cleaning required.

If you look around, you can find some deals on brass cased stuff that are pretty close to the price of Wolf.

fireguy86 · 05-24-2008, 01:17 PM

Wolf isnt bad if you keep it clean and get the polymer coated. I bought a 1000 rounds last month and am pretty much thru it all. Keep the damn thing clean (like you should anyway) and it wont hurt it.

AT4- you find those deals you let me know! I spend a lot of time on the computer looking for deals and I cant even come close, except for that brown Bear shit. Any hints?

knightRider · 05-24-2008, 01:25 PM

wow this is a old old old zombie thread !!!! this was when i was a newbie!

daveyshooter · 06-07-2008, 08:43 PM

The steel cased Wolf ammo may not work in your AR.
(It didn't work in mine)
The reason is, it is coated with lacquer to preserve them against rusting.
The problem here is, the coating adds 0.001" to the diameter of the casing, and it is likely to get jammed into the barrel, after shooting.

knightRider · 06-08-2008, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyshooter

The steel cased Wolf ammo may not work in your AR.
(It didn't work in mine)
The reason is, it is coated with lacquer to preserve them against rusting.
The problem here is, the coating adds 0.001" to the diameter of the casing, and it is likely to get jammed into the barrel, after shooting.

only the military classic is coated its in a camouflage box . the black box wolf is fine .

Beer Forever · 06-13-2008, 08:49 PM

My rifle does not like the Military Classic at all. Silver Bear and the black Wolf is fine, but I don't shoot steel cased ammo any more, too many problems.

04-12-2007, 04:37 PM	#21
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04-12-2007, 05:15 PM	#22
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,522	I don't know about you guys, but I like pictures.... a thousand words and whatnot. The Box O' Truth - Educational Zone #18 - Shooting Wolf steel-cased Ammo in an AR15 This will show you the difference between laquer- and polymer-coated ammo. It will also show you how the rounds work in an AR15. It will also tell you how to properly shoot it. __________________

04-13-2007, 08:42 AM	#25
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,683 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	well i have the wolf steel cased 55 grain ther grey so no polmer or laquar i think ? so im fireing it weeeeeeee __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch. Last edited by knightRider; 04-13-2007 at 08:50 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

04-13-2007, 12:10 PM	#27
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,674 Images: 2	Those Grey ones look just like my Sellior & Bellot .223 ammo....Good stuff! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

04-13-2007, 01:23 PM	#28
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,683 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	just a car i read it and it said that it was dirty but no harm no foul just dont use the laqured wolf ammo > r thats what i took from it . __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch.

04-12-2007, 08:47 PM	#23
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	How hard is the steel case on the extractor, just curious?

04-12-2007, 09:08 PM	#24
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	It will be fine.

04-13-2007, 02:28 PM	#29
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Yeah, saying Wolf is dirty is an understatement. One mag of Wolf in my G3 is about the same as going 8-10 mags of the South African .308.....

04-13-2007, 02:35 PM	#30
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,683 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	pred did you read just a cars thread ? if so what did you take from it ? __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch.

04-15-2007, 04:17 AM	#31
azguy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Yuma, AZ Posts: 136	Wolf ammo in an AR reciver? I thought all wolf ammo had steel casings, won't that scratch or ding up the eject port on an AR reciver. My AK loves wolf ammo, I've always been too afraid to shoot wolf in anything other than my AK. Is the "wolf ammo bad",in an AR just an urban legend myth, or an evil conspracy used to scare shooters away from a great deal in ammo?

04-15-2007, 11:57 AM	#32
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,683 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	azguy from what ive read i think its a myth __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch.

05-20-2008, 08:10 PM	#33
RooTFantastic Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1	a buddy and myself both bought dpms ar15a4 's about a month ago. i came across a good deal at a gun show and bought a case of remington 65gr for 175 bucks... he bought some wolf, i think his half case was 160 or so... 270 rounds into the case ( about two hours) his gun jammed. tried to remove the bad round and continue, and nothing would happen. come to find out one of his gas rings had bent and was COVERED in sticky trash from all the shit they put in thier rounds. we burried the other 220 rounds in a huge hole and now we need to get a new bolt because the rings scratched it. meanwhile i ran through the case of remington and a few hundred rounds of federal, and a light cleaning was all it took. about 1500 rounds in 4 and a half hours. DONT SHOOT WOLF. its shit.

05-20-2008, 08:52 PM	#34
Darkfront Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 162	I hate cleaning my AR as it is when I shoot Remington. I can only imagine with Wolf ammo. I'm not worried about the polymer, as I hear it's not going to melt, but the seal and carbon blow by is a problem, and not just because of extraction issues. I'm wondering if the blow-by of gas because of a poor seal can do anything to erode the chamber prematurely?

05-20-2008, 09:23 PM	#35
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 856 Images: 10	Bottom line is that yes, there is better stuff out there. (the following is all my opinion...) Wolf ammo is a lot better than it used to be. The polymer coated stuff doesn't leave the "gummy" residue that the lacquered stuff did. Where you will have a problem is if you shoot a lot of wolf, then go and try to shoot brass cased stuff. The steel cased ammo will allow a little more buildup in the chamber as it doesn't expand like the brass cased stuff. If the brass cased ammo is shot afterwards, it will expand onto the dirty chamber and "hang" or "stick" very slightly. This adds to the wear on your extractor and probably the gas system as well. I've shot quite a bit of wolf through my ar's, and have only had one problem with it. As USMC said... for plinking and practice, it's fine, as long as you clean it afterwards and don't mind the extra cleaning required. If you look around, you can find some deals on brass cased stuff that are pretty close to the price of Wolf. __________________ modulARweapons.com

05-24-2008, 01:17 PM	#36
fireguy86 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NE Colorado Posts: 89	Wolf isnt bad if you keep it clean and get the polymer coated. I bought a 1000 rounds last month and am pretty much thru it all. Keep the damn thing clean (like you should anyway) and it wont hurt it. AT4- you find those deals you let me know! I spend a lot of time on the computer looking for deals and I cant even come close, except for that brown Bear shit. Any hints? __________________ The militia is our ultimate safety there is no security without it but every man must be armed Last edited by fireguy86; 05-24-2008 at 01:24 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-24-2008, 01:25 PM	#37
knightRider Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: you know where Posts: 2,683 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 11	wow this is a old old old zombie thread !!!! this was when i was a newbie! __________________ I'm part kalishnakov, part heckler and Koch.

06-07-2008, 08:43 PM	#38
daveyshooter Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: N Ca. (Left Coast, (in more than one way) Posts: 1	The steel cased Wolf ammo may not work in your AR. (It didn't work in mine) The reason is, it is coated with lacquer to preserve them against rusting. The problem here is, the coating adds 0.001" to the diameter of the casing, and it is likely to get jammed into the barrel, after shooting.

06-13-2008, 08:49 PM	#40
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	My rifle does not like the Military Classic at all. Silver Bear and the black Wolf is fine, but I don't shoot steel cased ammo any more, too many problems. __________________ Paramedic sks forever Last edited by Beer Forever; 06-13-2008 at 08:57 PM.