Which Rifle???

sell33 · 02-20-2008, 01:58 PM

Ok, i want a good semi auto rifle to shoot at the range and use on varmints for now, possibly larger game in the future. I am not too worried about the pelts, but i know i can get ammo that wont destroy them even with a larger round. I had a 223 and got rid of it, I want a bigger caliber. I am mainly looking at 308 because ammo can be had pretty cheap. I definitely want good accuracy, and good quality. I really want and AR, but I dont know enough about many of the assault style rifles to know if another would be better or at least as good. I have been looking at AR upper and lowers in hopes of finding a 308, and also looked at FN and Cetme. I dont know alot about either FN or Cetme. I know FN is supposed to be pretty good thats about it. I know nothing at all about CETME except it looks like a knock off FN? not sure about this just what i thought from some pictures. Anyway, i will not be able to purchase any rifle at least until about may, so any help would be great! What Rifles do you guys have that are this style? what is the best option, etc. Also if there is another cailber y'all think would be better let me know that too. Thanks!

Andy

Rex Kramer · 02-20-2008, 02:01 PM

Look at M14 type rifle and the AR-10

Pred · 02-20-2008, 02:04 PM

Could always look into the .450 Bushmaster or .458 SOCOM. Or maybe something like a 6.8. And .308 can be had pretty cheap? Where?

sell33 · 02-20-2008, 02:04 PM

thats what i initially was thinking, but looking around has got me wondering. Ok not sure how much you know but are all lowers and uppers compatible?

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Originally Posted by Pred

Could always look into the .450 Bushmaster or .458 SOCOM. Or maybe something like a 6.8. And .308 can be had pretty cheap? Where?

isn't surplus 308 pretty cheap? i dont know for sure to be honest i just thought that you get get some milsurp 308 cheap...

Pred · 02-20-2008, 02:26 PM

Not anymore it's not. I can remember buying 140 round South African battle packs from CTD for $25-$27 bucks. Now a 200 round battle pack costs over $100.

sell33 · 02-20-2008, 02:28 PM

Hmm didnt know that, but now looking i'm not surprised at all that you are right....how does this compare to say 6.8 and your 450 and 458 mentioned above?

Pred · 02-20-2008, 02:55 PM

I've never fired any of the other three calibers, but many people are building the 6.8 AR, and a lot are starting to build the .458. Rock River Arms sells the stuff you would need for the .458. Of course C-Products is getting ready to release their 30 round 7.62x39 mags for AR's in April.

sell33 · 02-20-2008, 03:06 PM

I was just looking at an AR in 7.62x39 and then looked at ammo and it is real cheap, just might be an idea. I've never shot anything in this caliber though and don't exactly know what all it is capable of, i'll have to look into it i guess.

Pred · 02-20-2008, 03:41 PM

The problem with that round is the only thing most anyone has ever used it in is an AK or SKS. Neither of them are something I'd want to have my life depend on past 300 yards(150 yards really). However I'm really interested to see what that round is capable of from an accurate platform such as the AR.

sell33 · 02-20-2008, 06:52 PM

GRI1189-CENTURY INTERNATIONAL CETME RIFLE .308 CAL. SEMI-AUTO

Are these any good??? made in USA they say so thats a plus anyway lol

Billyz · 03-21-2008, 01:23 AM

buy one for you and one for me. lol .308 is really getting up there in price. I love the cetme but its getting real expensive to shoot.

Billyz · 03-21-2008, 01:25 AM

remade in the usa is what it should say.

soonerborn · 03-21-2008, 01:12 PM

Romak III / Dragunov / PSL - These rifles are semi and shoot 7.62x54R which can be had fairly cheap and is an all round excellent round. I have looked heavily into these and they can be very good rifles if you buy the right one. They arent really Dragunovs but dealers will ad them as such. They are really based on the AK and if you know an AK then they will be instantly familiar to you. Lots of parts can interchange but not all. If you buy one from a dealer ONLY buy from IOC or Century Arms because they are the ONLY importers. One of them lists as a PSL and the other lists them as SSG-97. All the rest are imported as kits and are put together here mostly buy a shoddy company in TN. DO NOT BUY if the receiver is marked from that company or if its marked with "Dragunov". Lots of people have bought the kit version and have been very disappointed. They are also available in .308 now but I would stick with the 54R round and shoot Chec silver tips.

tlarkin · 03-21-2008, 01:32 PM

I thought that a 7.62 was standard in a lot of guns, and so was NATO 5.56. I know that the Steyr Scout is chambered in 7.62 and is a military standard sniper rifle. So, that round hasn't always been in just AKs and SKS, but I think no other guns are such widely produced than the AK and the AK uses mostly that round. Though you can also get an AK in 5.56, 12ga, so on and so forth.

wunhunglo · 03-21-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tlarkin

I thought that a 7.62 was standard in a lot of guns, and so was NATO 5.56. I know that the Steyr Scout is chambered in 7.62 and is a military standard sniper rifle. So, that round hasn't always been in just AKs and SKS, but I think no other guns are such widely produced than the AK and the AK uses mostly that round. Though you can also get an AK in 5.56, 12ga, so on and so forth.

Confusing????????????? There are lots of 7.62's around, but totally different cartridges. The 7.62 Nato is 7.62 x 51 as opposed to the E-block 7.62 x 39 used in AK's and the old E-block 7.62 x 54r.

On saying that, lots of Brits have had good success with Lee-Enfields rechambered for the 7.62 x 39 AK round.

02-20-2008, 01:58 PM	#1
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,194	Which Rifle??? Ok, i want a good semi auto rifle to shoot at the range and use on varmints for now, possibly larger game in the future. I am not too worried about the pelts, but i know i can get ammo that wont destroy them even with a larger round. I had a 223 and got rid of it, I want a bigger caliber. I am mainly looking at 308 because ammo can be had pretty cheap. I definitely want good accuracy, and good quality. I really want and AR, but I dont know enough about many of the assault style rifles to know if another would be better or at least as good. I have been looking at AR upper and lowers in hopes of finding a 308, and also looked at FN and Cetme. I dont know alot about either FN or Cetme. I know FN is supposed to be pretty good thats about it. I know nothing at all about CETME except it looks like a knock off FN? not sure about this just what i thought from some pictures. Anyway, i will not be able to purchase any rifle at least until about may, so any help would be great! What Rifles do you guys have that are this style? what is the best option, etc. Also if there is another cailber y'all think would be better let me know that too. Thanks! Andy

02-20-2008, 02:01 PM	#2
Rex Kramer Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 395	Look at M14 type rifle and the AR-10

02-20-2008, 02:04 PM	#3
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Could always look into the .450 Bushmaster or .458 SOCOM. Or maybe something like a 6.8. And .308 can be had pretty cheap? Where?

02-20-2008, 02:26 PM	#5
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Not anymore it's not. I can remember buying 140 round South African battle packs from CTD for $25-$27 bucks. Now a 200 round battle pack costs over $100.

02-20-2008, 02:28 PM	#6
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,194	Hmm didnt know that, but now looking i'm not surprised at all that you are right....how does this compare to say 6.8 and your 450 and 458 mentioned above?

02-20-2008, 02:55 PM	#7
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	I've never fired any of the other three calibers, but many people are building the 6.8 AR, and a lot are starting to build the .458. Rock River Arms sells the stuff you would need for the .458. Of course C-Products is getting ready to release their 30 round 7.62x39 mags for AR's in April.

02-20-2008, 03:06 PM	#8
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,194	I was just looking at an AR in 7.62x39 and then looked at ammo and it is real cheap, just might be an idea. I've never shot anything in this caliber though and don't exactly know what all it is capable of, i'll have to look into it i guess.

02-20-2008, 03:41 PM	#9
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	The problem with that round is the only thing most anyone has ever used it in is an AK or SKS. Neither of them are something I'd want to have my life depend on past 300 yards(150 yards really). However I'm really interested to see what that round is capable of from an accurate platform such as the AR.

02-20-2008, 06:52 PM	#10
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,194	GRI1189-CENTURY INTERNATIONAL CETME RIFLE .308 CAL. SEMI-AUTO Are these any good??? made in USA they say so thats a plus anyway lol

03-21-2008, 01:23 AM	#11
Billyz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 105	buy one for you and one for me. lol .308 is really getting up there in price. I love the cetme but its getting real expensive to shoot.

03-21-2008, 01:25 AM	#12
Billyz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 105	remade in the usa is what it should say.

03-21-2008, 01:12 PM	#13
soonerborn Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 320	Romak III / Dragunov / PSL - These rifles are semi and shoot 7.62x54R which can be had fairly cheap and is an all round excellent round. I have looked heavily into these and they can be very good rifles if you buy the right one. They arent really Dragunovs but dealers will ad them as such. They are really based on the AK and if you know an AK then they will be instantly familiar to you. Lots of parts can interchange but not all. If you buy one from a dealer ONLY buy from IOC or Century Arms because they are the ONLY importers. One of them lists as a PSL and the other lists them as SSG-97. All the rest are imported as kits and are put together here mostly buy a shoddy company in TN. DO NOT BUY if the receiver is marked from that company or if its marked with "Dragunov". Lots of people have bought the kit version and have been very disappointed. They are also available in .308 now but I would stick with the 54R round and shoot Chec silver tips.

03-21-2008, 01:32 PM	#14
tlarkin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 1,581	I thought that a 7.62 was standard in a lot of guns, and so was NATO 5.56. I know that the Steyr Scout is chambered in 7.62 and is a military standard sniper rifle. So, that round hasn't always been in just AKs and SKS, but I think no other guns are such widely produced than the AK and the AK uses mostly that round. Though you can also get an AK in 5.56, 12ga, so on and so forth.