07-02-2008, 07:44 PM
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07-02-2008, 08:16 PM
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Sam Nothing is wrong and I have no complex and for someone who CLAIMED you didn't read the posts yet you seem to refer to many of them in your dribble, I guess you have a tendency to Stretch the truth. I guess you must be the resident EXPERT who sits at a PC and passes judgement on people, mostly if they threaten you by calling you out to prove yourself as you so willingly do to others. Did you ever stop to think it is hard because you have to reveal names? You have NOTHING you want to BRAG about? Well let's see Sam, you seem to go around claiming this and that most of the time and I see no Validations of your claims either. You called me in your earlier posts and you were very free with your mouth, I am ready to put up and I challenge you to do the same, prove you were a SNIPER, prove even some of your claims. I am more than willing to prove my claims if you want to see L.E.S.s I have them and the most current just last week. I have my Badge and the WRITTEN orders for it and I am registered with CMP under DISTINGUISHED RIFLEMAN, I have all of my Match Reports to establish the accomplishment and my placements. I can send you photos of the trophies and plaques, I have verification for the Team Winnings and the 8 Consectutive years, My claims are very easily proved and when you consider 10+ years of Matches at a bare minium of five per year and the days and weeks of practicing of up to 14 hours per day. You can do your own math for the number of rounds fired. This was all told to establish that it was ALL done with COLTS and I had only TWO RIFLES while on the Team, a COLT A1 and a COLT A2. You called me Sam, now either put up or shut up. You want proof, send me your addrerss and I will mail you all the proof you desire, I ask only in return you prove your background as well. Don't give this Character judging crap to me, I am not interested in your views of me or my career. What I am interested in is that ACCURATE and TRUE information be given to people and it is clear that many here haven't a clue if they are being B.S.'d or not, they feel they are being helped when they are being mislead. Your IDOL EXPERT claimed he could BUILD a $800 HODGEPODGE that would perform in ACCURACY and RELAIBILITY as a couple of thousand dollar SEPC'd COLT, if you believe that malarchy you are as whacked out as Pred is. No one was bragging, I was endorsing COLT by establishing my experiences and when Pred claimed he knew more than 95% of the people in the United States, I knew I had a guy who mixed knowledge with B.S. It is common for people to establish their background to give credibility to their endorsements, sorry you feel it was a brag or I was trying to be a whatever. Guess Tiger Woods Brags huh? and Ted Williams. Jeff Gordon and anyone who drives with a sponsor. I guess someone who posts their credentials on their wall for the public to see they have credibility are just braggarts, eh, Sam? I fired more rounds in a single year through my Colt than Pred or you have fired in your entire lives, I did that for many years and if that isn't worth something for credibility then you keep idolizing the B.S. If you read my posts, I didn't call pred names and even offered ways for him to build his credibilty, guess you missed those. Pred You have yourself a small following here and you keep doing what you have been. You still have a long way to go to convince people in the know that you know as much as you feel you know. You really should go to a Gunsmithing school, maybe the one in Colorado and see if you can learn about tolerances, and combined tolerances when using many different brands in the same housing. They may have Fancy sounding names and they may look mean, but they will not add to the weapons overall longtivity or performance if they fall below spec. You were doing ok until you made the claim about the $800 equivalent and that is where you lost your credibility with me. I have no doubt that some moderator will probably delete this thread but it is too bad for this forum, I thought I was going to see more people who knew a thing or two here and I found plenty but unfortunately there are those who spread B.S. like the wind. That ruins a great website. | |
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07-02-2008, 09:07 PM
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| Wingwiper:Thank you. sam. |
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07-02-2008, 10:05 PM
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In that case you pail to my expert AR knowledge. 
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07-03-2008, 04:34 AM
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Now read the posts from the begining and explain to me where you qualify in saying and accusing what you have, if you know anything about AR15s or M16s which, I am having my doubts, You would know that everything I wrote is true and accurate. There was NO name calling, just a challenge and that challenge was expressed over and over in many posts, it was made very clear what I was saying and you come in here on your HIGH horse and start running your mouth as if YOU are the one who can judge fact from fiction. People who don't compete with their firearms NEVER take their firearms to the limits or get to witness the weakness in designs or the failures from poor tolerances or out of spec equipment. BOLD claims need to be challenged. I have noticed many times on these boards, Sam, that you don't contribute or help people, you just tick them off. Why are you in the AR15 thread? Are you qualified with M16s and AR15s to be here and judge others? Just wondering.. I usually only go to threads where I know something about what I am talking about, I think you are out of your league, Sam. Read my posts and feel free to correct me on any of them, but please have the courtesy to be specific and point out my errors and I will address them, don't come flying in here on some high horse and run your mouth and bash myself or I believe you were also aiming your bashing at Jersey who seems to be an Armorer for M16s. You made a total fool of yourself to the people who REALLY DO KNOW SOMETHING. Just point out which post where I did as you dribbled about. Please, I am curious to know what I said that was inaccurate or wrong.. Give post number for reference. I will check back time and again to see what you give reference to, be sure to start from the very first post though. Then when you are done and you can't find what you were ranting about, I want a BIG SORRY in BOLD LETTERS and in LARGE CAPs.. EXTRA LARGE FONT too. Come on Sam. I challenge you to find fault with anything that I have said in any of the preceding posts and feel free to invite whatever expert you care to, to help you. I challenge you to back up your mouth, Sam.. Prove where I gave bad info, where I berated, where I called names, where I did any of your rant.. WALK THE WALK SAM..... PUT UP OR SHUT UP, SAM.... By the way Sam, my first post was #6 and yours was #68 so when you refer to the VULTURES have arrived, are you speaking of YOURSELF??? Seems you came in way late and starting your ranting, that had NOTHING to do with the subject, so if anyone is guilty of your rants, well, Sam, look in the mirror. Last edited by Wingwiper; 07-03-2008 at 05:23 AM. | |
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07-03-2008, 06:04 AM
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07-03-2008, 06:30 AM
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| Well Sam If you did as you preached you would have found that the discussion on this thread was in no way a personal attack, until YOU arrived, it was an attack on cheap builds and whether they are equal to spec firearms. You missed it all, Sam, because you came in bashing a couple of us without reading and getting the jest of the topic. I do not need any help, but by your entrance and your bashing, it sure seems that you may. What are YOUR qualifications with an AR15 or M16, I know you entered the Military when it was still the Garand. I am willing to prove my qualifications to you, got COLD feet about that now, because I expect the same back from you? Sure seems like you are stalling, Sam. I was respectful in all of my previous posts to Pred, but Pred was making some bold claims and claims that he was NOT qualified in any way to make. You want to defend UNQUALIFIED people from making claims on a shooting forum? Why do I get the feeling Sam, that you want to continue your bashing and side-step the proving of each others background? It isn't a brag, Sam, this is a Gun website and info here can have some pretty SERIOUS results if not given correctly and for people who lack real experience to be giving advice, I think that is opening some liability doors, don't you, Sam?. |
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07-03-2008, 07:45 AM
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| My feet are a little cold right now as I have been out in the wet grass stomping groundmole runs down and got them wet.I doubt that it will lead to hypothermia tho and apreciate your concern for my health.As to proving anything,whatever you are worried about,you are the only one that is trying to prove anything and I hope you can work that out to your satisfaction,as it seems to be bothering you to a great degree.I am sure they will allow you to post any proof you please that will help you to get back to a normal state of mind and relax again,even your serial and MOS #.As for me,I don't trust putting too much on the internet as I know little about it and like so many others on here I believe in keeping my personal life personal.But you should feel free to post anything that will relieve your mind.As to Pred,yes,I feel he is much more qualified than most to post on building up a AR type as he has done it and answered the question asked with info and prices very well.I admire his knowledge on the subject of the question asked.Ireally do hope you do what ever is necessary to relieve your stress and get back to normal.Or maybe this is normal for you.In that case you have my sympathy.If I can help let me know. sam. |
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07-03-2008, 07:55 AM
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| I have tried to read all of this B.S. but I just can't do it. I did read a good amount of what has been writen and I think it is time that everyone drop this thread. The poor fella that asked this question is likely sorry he asked it and if he is smart he has quit reading the thread long ago. Pred and Sam are not bad members of the forum and while I am not nearly as aquanted with Wing he might be a good guy too. The problem is Wing has made a mountain out of a mole hill, Perhaps Sam could help stomp on that? I like the idea of PMing if you guys want to continue this rant further.....If I was a mod on this forum I would have locked it a long time ago!
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07-03-2008, 08:09 AM
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07-03-2008, 08:17 AM
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Sam, Don't start what you are unable to finish. JasHoffa, You are very right. I tried to keep it about Guns and a few times it was drifted when pissing contests were mention or my gender was asked. It started as a challenge to a claim and as more people entered and added two cents or chose sides, it blossomed into a WHO HAS THE BIGGER D___ Competition. I was hoping to gain an answer why Pred felt he could make a $800 home build that was equal to a $1000s Spec'd Colt, I guess I will never know... Statements are made and there is no experience behind them to support them.. Oh! Well. I'll move on. Home building was never challenged it was clear what the challenge was and it is clear I am never going to get an answer.. As jersey pointed out, if I am going to put a firearm to my face that has 55,000 pounds per square inch of chamber pressure, just a mere few inches away, I would like to think I have a firearm built to spec and tolerance. I wonder how many will still support Pred after one blows in someone's face or a barrel splits, or a bolt flies, just wondering? Great advice needs great backing.... See ya | ||
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07-03-2008, 08:36 AM
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| This has been a good debate though it has had outside interfearence some. Pred is a Guru on building AR-15's. I trusted him enough that I contacted him for advice before I bought an AR for my son. Wingwiper appears also to know his stuff as well about upper level/grades of AR's and competition shooting. I consider both friends and with that said they both have there "levels of expertise" in regards to AR-15's. Being on the outside looking in I can't help but wonder why there's a debate. In other words they should be partners in there "givin area's" in helping members and guest here learn and understand what model's AR-15's to buy, build or what's best suited for there needs or application. SO if anyone comes along inquireing about AR-15's A.H is going to direct them to one of these fellers...A.H |
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