My dad...

Super Toaster · 10-26-2009, 01:07 AM

wants an M16 or AR15, like the 1 he had when he was in the service. That was in the late 70's or early 80's. So he did a little searching and all the different part variation's made him confused. What he tells me is he wants a reliable shooter that shoots cheap, easy to find rounds and later he plans to add a scope.

jmp8927 · 10-26-2009, 06:33 AM

Well right now there's no such thing as a cheap .223/5.56x45. In the 70's I think he would have had a M16A1. So basically you want an AR-15 with a 20 inch barrel and an A1 receiver. They may have had triangular handguards back then. I prefer round handguards myself though.

Dookiebutt · 10-26-2009, 06:41 AM

For a reliable shooter, cheap ammo and the ability to later add a scope, try a Ruger 10/22.

at4rxj · 10-26-2009, 10:58 AM

Get a 20" flat top receiver with a removable carry handle. That way he can add a scope easier later on.

You can also get a .22lr conversion that will let him shoot cheap ammo out of the same gun. These run about $150-200, and pay for themselves in about 500 rounds.

.223 ammo isn't cheap anymore, but it can be found at a reasonable price.

YugoM59/66 · 10-26-2009, 07:05 PM

^+1....best bet

ZombieHunter · 10-26-2009, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dookiebutt

For a reliable shooter, cheap ammo and the ability to later add a scope, try a Ruger 10/22.

I hope you're joking...

gunadvocate · 10-26-2009, 11:49 PM

Isnt there a conversion kit that shoots the surplus ammo for the cz 52 and tokarevs... a 7.62 x 25 i believe... that would be a cheap alternative (in addition to being easily accessible) and a somewhat similar experience to the .223 kick. the flat top idea is a good one for a future scope mounting option with the detachable carrying handle and I believe the military was still using the A1 triangular furniture in that time period. 20 inch barrel and the fixed stock with the straight mags (if found in the 7.62 caliber) should work out well...

Super Toaster · 10-26-2009, 11:51 PM

The big problem is the variety of parts. Dunno whats the best or worse yet, the parts don't have pictures.

gunadvocate · 10-26-2009, 11:53 PM

Model 1 sales should have pictures and options available (as well as conversion kits) even if you do not buy anything from them the pictures and names, as well as prices, should give you a good idea of what you are getting yourself into

Pothole · 10-27-2009, 01:34 AM

im assuming your pop wants something like this

this is an M16A1, from the late 70's and early 80's

there are a few companies that make this type of AR15, and any one you buy will me more reliable than anything your dad carried in the mud and muck of combat

tenringdriller · 10-30-2009, 03:02 PM

.223 is not that expensive...at least not around here. I get it for $6 a box!

gunadvocate · 11-01-2009, 11:32 AM

goes for ten a box (cheapest) in Tennessee

Pothole · 11-01-2009, 02:34 PM

i can still find wolf for $6 a box up here

lynxpilot · 11-01-2009, 04:18 PM

"reliable" + "AR" = oxymoron

gunadvocate · 11-01-2009, 05:42 PM

I dont shoot the steel cases (I think wolf goes for around 6 or 7 here)- Heard the different diameter on the neck of the round in combination with extra residue from the dirtier brand in the barrel entry can cause jams when they let the round out and expand

something i just stay away from

Pothole · 11-01-2009, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynxpilot

"reliable" + "AR" = oxymoron

i got a bushy lower and a stag upper, feed it steal wolf and HSM, and has been more reliable than my AK47, only had one failure to load and it was from a bad casing on a reload

sncstealth · 11-01-2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by at4rxj

Get a 20" flat top receiver with a removable carry handle. That way he can add a scope easier later on.

You can also get a .22lr conversion that will let him shoot cheap ammo out of the same gun. These run about $150-200, and pay for themselves in about 500 rounds.

.223 ammo isn't cheap anymore, but it can be found at a reasonable price.

500 rounds uh .22 goes for 12.99 for 550

Pothole · 11-01-2009, 09:52 PM

^ they forgot a couple zeros, should be 5,000 to 7,000 rounds

ZombieHunter · 11-13-2009, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sncstealth

500 rounds uh .22 goes for 12.99 for 550

I believe he was talking about the price of 500 .223 rounds. Just sayin'...

At $6 a box for Wolf, that's still $150.

MLN1963 · 11-13-2009, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunadvocate

Isnt there a conversion kit that shoots the surplus ammo for the cz 52 and tokarevs... a 7.62 x 25 i believe...

Tell me more about this please!

10-26-2009, 01:07 AM	#1
Super Toaster Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 71	My dad... wants an M16 or AR15, like the 1 he had when he was in the service. That was in the late 70's or early 80's. So he did a little searching and all the different part variation's made him confused. What he tells me is he wants a reliable shooter that shoots cheap, easy to find rounds and later he plans to add a scope. __________________ R.I.P. Nikki

10-26-2009, 06:33 AM	#2
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 2,277 Images: 18	Well right now there's no such thing as a cheap .223/5.56x45. In the 70's I think he would have had a M16A1. So basically you want an AR-15 with a 20 inch barrel and an A1 receiver. They may have had triangular handguards back then. I prefer round handguards myself though. __________________ Fear not, for I am with you; Be not discouraged, for I am your God.

10-26-2009, 06:41 AM	#3
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 2,042	For a reliable shooter, cheap ammo and the ability to later add a scope, try a Ruger 10/22. __________________ The nerds will never understand the awesomeness of it.
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10-26-2009, 10:58 AM	#4
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,109 Images: 10	Get a 20" flat top receiver with a removable carry handle. That way he can add a scope easier later on. You can also get a .22lr conversion that will let him shoot cheap ammo out of the same gun. These run about $150-200, and pay for themselves in about 500 rounds. .223 ammo isn't cheap anymore, but it can be found at a reasonable price. __________________ modulARweapons.com

10-26-2009, 07:05 PM	#5
YugoM59/66 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 207	^+1....best bet __________________ "Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." Ned Dolan

10-26-2009, 11:49 PM	#7
gunadvocate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 274	Isnt there a conversion kit that shoots the surplus ammo for the cz 52 and tokarevs... a 7.62 x 25 i believe... that would be a cheap alternative (in addition to being easily accessible) and a somewhat similar experience to the .223 kick. the flat top idea is a good one for a future scope mounting option with the detachable carrying handle and I believe the military was still using the A1 triangular furniture in that time period. 20 inch barrel and the fixed stock with the straight mags (if found in the 7.62 caliber) should work out well... __________________ "Love my country, fear my government..."

10-26-2009, 11:51 PM	#8
Super Toaster Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 71	The big problem is the variety of parts. Dunno whats the best or worse yet, the parts don't have pictures. __________________ R.I.P. Nikki

10-26-2009, 11:53 PM	#9
gunadvocate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 274	Model 1 sales should have pictures and options available (as well as conversion kits) even if you do not buy anything from them the pictures and names, as well as prices, should give you a good idea of what you are getting yourself into __________________ "Love my country, fear my government..."

10-27-2009, 01:34 AM	#10
Pothole Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 200 Images: 18	im assuming your pop wants something like this this is an M16A1, from the late 70's and early 80's there are a few companies that make this type of AR15, and any one you buy will me more reliable than anything your dad carried in the mud and muck of combat

10-30-2009, 03:02 PM	#11
tenringdriller Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 92	.223 is not that expensive...at least not around here. I get it for $6 a box! __________________ - If you love someone, let them go. Just don't get mad if they come back with herpes.

11-01-2009, 11:32 AM	#12
gunadvocate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 274	goes for ten a box (cheapest) in Tennessee __________________ "Love my country, fear my government..."

11-01-2009, 02:34 PM	#13
Pothole Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 200 Images: 18	i can still find wolf for $6 a box up here

11-01-2009, 04:18 PM	#14
lynxpilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ava, MO Posts: 112	"reliable" + "AR" = oxymoron
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11-01-2009, 05:42 PM	#15
gunadvocate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 274	I dont shoot the steel cases (I think wolf goes for around 6 or 7 here)- Heard the different diameter on the neck of the round in combination with extra residue from the dirtier brand in the barrel entry can cause jams when they let the round out and expand something i just stay away from __________________ "Love my country, fear my government..."

11-01-2009, 09:52 PM	#18
Pothole Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 200 Images: 18	^ they forgot a couple zeros, should be 5,000 to 7,000 rounds