New calibers on the AR platform

BattleRifleG3 · 02-18-2003, 09:58 AM

We once thought they were a distinctly 223 rifle. Then we see that a rare few were made in 222 Remington. Then come the 9mm versions, then the 45, 40, 10mm, and other versions. Then come the 22LR conversions. And worlds clash when it comes out in 7.62x39mm. Our dreams come true when we see the AR-10s in 308 and 243. Now the 15s are being increasingly adapted for 300 Whisper.
Tromix made/makes versions in 50 AE, I think 400 or 440 Cor Bon, and in the 458 Socom Monster that surpassees the 45-70 in energy.
A company called Accuracy Systems (one of many, no doubt) does Minis and AR15s in 6x45mm, I think 22 and 6mm PPC, and maybe others. They also do AR-10s in the Winchester Short Magnums.
Someone I think is doing them (or is it the FAL) in Remington's SAUMs, no doubt paid by Remington to use their unpopular short magnum instead of Winchester's more common one.
SSK does them in a few calibers, including 338 wildcats, something in 50 cal, and stuff I don't remember.
And then there are the custom conversions and wildcats, like a 338 caliber 223 wildcat and an AR-10 in 358 Winchester.

My question is what would you want that's already there or not? Could you see anyone else wanting it?

BattleRifleG3 · 02-18-2003, 10:02 AM

I myself would be thrilled to see a long action AR come out, which would feed from BAR mags and spew 30-06, 270 Win, 35 Whelen, and the belted magnum series of 7mm Rem, 300 Win, and 338 Win. Carl from the old site suggested basically that.

Could I afford it? Ha ha ha ha ha!

jerry · 02-18-2003, 10:36 AM

260 Remington woulod be neat. Basically a 6.5mm/08

DANA · 02-18-2003, 03:39 PM

GOT A AR 15 BASE ON MY SINGLE SHOT 50BMG (WATSON). CAN'T GET ANY LARGER ?

DANA

jerry · 02-18-2003, 04:17 PM

how about a 6mm PPC or a 6.5mm on that PPC platform?

claybusting · 02-27-2003, 08:47 AM

I have one in .223 16" fluted Flattop one ar-10 20" falttop in .308 also 50 beowolf 16"flattop upper and for varmints one in .17 Remington 24" heavy barrel I like them all

03-24-2003, 02:13 PM

the rest is all just fun and games, in other words, it doesn't matter any if you can do it or not.

Shaun · 04-03-2003, 01:03 AM

Battlerifle one of the conversions I own and love is the 6x45mm cartirdge in the AR it feeds in standard magazines and the only thing that can't be reused from one upper to the other is the barrel. The bolt is the same since the wildcat cartirdge is based on a 223 case. I am loading 100grain ballistic tips from Nosler and so far the caliber has dropped a really nice buck for me and several coyote whn I took it with me two years ago on a trip.

BattleRifleG3 · 04-03-2003, 11:53 AM

Have any ballistic specs on 6x45mm? Sounds very nice.

NRAJOE · 04-03-2003, 12:22 PM

I'd like to see one in that new .17 caliber! Cool varminter!

BattleRifleG3 · 04-03-2003, 12:25 PM

I think people have made them in 17 Remington, a necked down 223.

NRAJOE · 04-03-2003, 12:34 PM

Did not know that...sounds cool!

BattleRifleG3 · 04-03-2003, 12:45 PM

Now that you mention it, 22 WMR and 17 HMR do seem to be a void in the AR caliber market. Way back in the day there was a 22 WMR carbine made by Grendel that took 30rd double stack mags that fit in the grip. Then they were banned.

I think they're out of business now, but I'd love to see something like that come out again, in 22 and 17 magnum rimfires. Would probably cost a bit less than an AR variant.

Hmm, guess it's time for me to hit the drawing board again...

NRAJOE · 04-03-2003, 12:47 PM

If ya get a patent, get rich and famous, remember me ol' buddy...

Klaus · 04-04-2003, 07:38 AM

The AR-10s were ORIGINALLY in .308. The AR-15 is the derivative.

BattleRifleG3 · 04-04-2003, 02:31 PM

Right, but they were not commercially made. The new AR-10s were redesigned to use converted M14 mags and use as many AR-15 parts as possible.
But yes, the AR-10 was the original. I have the music from the demo video going through my head now. See it on www.armalite.com

NRAJOE · 04-04-2003, 02:38 PM

Sweet...:assult:

02-18-2003, 09:58 AM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	New calibers on the AR platform We once thought they were a distinctly 223 rifle. Then we see that a rare few were made in 222 Remington. Then come the 9mm versions, then the 45, 40, 10mm, and other versions. Then come the 22LR conversions. And worlds clash when it comes out in 7.62x39mm. Our dreams come true when we see the AR-10s in 308 and 243. Now the 15s are being increasingly adapted for 300 Whisper. Tromix made/makes versions in 50 AE, I think 400 or 440 Cor Bon, and in the 458 Socom Monster that surpassees the 45-70 in energy. A company called Accuracy Systems (one of many, no doubt) does Minis and AR15s in 6x45mm, I think 22 and 6mm PPC, and maybe others. They also do AR-10s in the Winchester Short Magnums. Someone I think is doing them (or is it the FAL) in Remington's SAUMs, no doubt paid by Remington to use their unpopular short magnum instead of Winchester's more common one. SSK does them in a few calibers, including 338 wildcats, something in 50 cal, and stuff I don't remember. And then there are the custom conversions and wildcats, like a 338 caliber 223 wildcat and an AR-10 in 358 Winchester. My question is what would you want that's already there or not? Could you see anyone else wanting it? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

02-18-2003, 10:02 AM	#2
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	I myself would be thrilled to see a long action AR come out, which would feed from BAR mags and spew 30-06, 270 Win, 35 Whelen, and the belted magnum series of 7mm Rem, 300 Win, and 338 Win. Carl from the old site suggested basically that. Could I afford it? Ha ha ha ha ha! __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

02-18-2003, 10:36 AM	#3
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,760 Trader Rating: (0)	260 Remington woulod be neat. Basically a 6.5mm/08 __________________

02-18-2003, 03:39 PM	#4
DANA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: WAITSFIELD VERMONT Posts: 1,590 Trader Rating: (0)	AR 15 GOT A AR 15 BASE ON MY SINGLE SHOT 50BMG (WATSON). CAN'T GET ANY LARGER ? DANA

02-18-2003, 04:17 PM	#5
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,760 Trader Rating: (0)	how about a 6mm PPC or a 6.5mm on that PPC platform? __________________

02-27-2003, 08:47 AM	#6
claybusting Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0)	New Calibers I have one in .223 16" fluted Flattop one ar-10 20" falttop in .308 also 50 beowolf 16"flattop upper and for varmints one in .17 Remington 24" heavy barrel I like them all

03-24-2003, 02:13 PM	#7
ohyeah Guest Posts: n/a	223-22unit does anything NEEDED. the rest is all just fun and games, in other words, it doesn't matter any if you can do it or not.

04-03-2003, 01:03 AM	#8
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,585 Trader Rating: (0)	Battlerifle one of the conversions I own and love is the 6x45mm cartirdge in the AR it feeds in standard magazines and the only thing that can't be reused from one upper to the other is the barrel. The bolt is the same since the wildcat cartirdge is based on a 223 case. I am loading 100grain ballistic tips from Nosler and so far the caliber has dropped a really nice buck for me and several coyote whn I took it with me two years ago on a trip. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

04-03-2003, 11:53 AM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Have any ballistic specs on 6x45mm? Sounds very nice. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-03-2003, 12:22 PM	#10
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	I'd like to see one in that new .17 caliber! Cool varminter! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

04-03-2003, 12:25 PM	#11
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	I think people have made them in 17 Remington, a necked down 223. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-03-2003, 12:34 PM	#12
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	Did not know that...sounds cool! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

04-03-2003, 12:45 PM	#13
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Now that you mention it, 22 WMR and 17 HMR do seem to be a void in the AR caliber market. Way back in the day there was a 22 WMR carbine made by Grendel that took 30rd double stack mags that fit in the grip. Then they were banned. I think they're out of business now, but I'd love to see something like that come out again, in 22 and 17 magnum rimfires. Would probably cost a bit less than an AR variant. Hmm, guess it's time for me to hit the drawing board again... __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-03-2003, 12:47 PM	#14
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	If ya get a patent, get rich and famous, remember me ol' buddy... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

04-04-2003, 07:38 AM	#15
Klaus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,383 Trader Rating: (0)	The AR-10s were ORIGINALLY in .308. The AR-15 is the derivative. __________________ "Gee, Wally, Eddie Haskel's mom puts out!"

04-04-2003, 02:31 PM	#16
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Right, but they were not commercially made. The new AR-10s were redesigned to use converted M14 mags and use as many AR-15 parts as possible. But yes, the AR-10 was the original. I have the music from the demo video going through my head now. See it on www.armalite.com __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

04-04-2003, 02:38 PM	#17
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	Sweet...:assult: __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany