Semi-auto short range Griz defense

Lonegun1894 · 11-27-2005, 05:42 PM

anyone considered a FAL with a m-203 mounted? Granted the 203 only gives you one shance, but if the grenade fails, you have 20 rounds of .308, or some monstrosity BRG can manage to run through a FAL, probably somewhere between .458 and .50. BRG, if you make one, make another and send it to me, for um, testing, yeah, thats it. Along with a bill for how much you want for it.

ash · 11-27-2005, 05:49 PM

How bout an NEF handi rifle in 500S&W.

11-27-2005, 05:52 PM

I was born and raised in Alaska too...I vote for a 12 gauge pump shotgun and a .454 Casull or .50 Action Express back up

Copper · 12-03-2005, 12:31 AM

I'd go with a Benelli M4 loaded with Federal 2 -3/4 inch solid copper X slug. Collapsable stock, 18.5 inch barrel, and AO ghost ring sights. Well, while I'm dreaming, how 'bout a Wesley-Richards double rifle in .577 Nitro Express shooting 750 gr. Woodleigh soft points?

Dallas · 12-03-2005, 12:52 AM

.45-.70

Andrew · 12-12-2005, 04:35 PM

12 gauge with handloaded or Federal Trueball slugs or 30-06 220 grain hot handloads(pretty much a .300 Win. Mag.)Or an MG42:full: :full: :full: :full: :full: :full: :full: :full:

Copper · 12-13-2005, 04:43 PM

True happiness is a belt fed weapon.:target:

RodneyKSig · 12-15-2005, 12:01 AM

Who says hunting with FMJ is illegal I do it all the time in on private property, but then again I live in Texas and not California. I am sorry but your state has to go, its so darn restictive.

at4rxj · 12-15-2005, 03:38 PM

BAR...

that 338 could be used to take them out at a distance too

Sav .250 · 12-16-2005, 08:08 AM

Just "voted" and found i was with the majority.
" The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

Bountyhunter · 12-25-2005, 01:46 PM

Rugged,

125 gr's for bear? Please......

The 125's will do one of two things. Either they will lodge in the skin/fat layer and not penetrate into muscle, or they will richocet off the skull, either way, enraging an already mad and determined killing machine. If confronted by a charging 1500 pound bear, most likely, most people would be pumping last nights supper into the seat of their Levi's as opposed to pumping bullets.

Semi auto for Bear? Most likely, the round which would serve that purpose best would be the .50 Beowulf as it is already a production gun of proven energy. It is a full .500 caliber bullet of 400 grains loaded to 1800 fps from a basic AR-15 frame. Marines in Irak can testify to what it will do. Think of a semi-auto .50-70.
http://www.gunblast.com/50Beowulf.htm

Alaska Fish and Game, guides, and hunters for years have established minimum standards for cartridges which are adequate for bear. The reason people get eaten by bears is from debating the already proven experience.

Bill

BattleRifleG3 · 12-25-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bountyhunter

The reason people get eaten by bears is from debating the already proven experience.

Funny and true. Thing is that some folks don't know what rounds out there are virtually equivalent, and are scornful of anything they haven't heard of, or that hasn't been around forever. I mean, the 45-70 was new once.

Otter · 12-26-2005, 01:58 PM

.45 Auto

"Life is too important to be taken seriously."

ash · 12-26-2005, 05:41 PM

Guncrafters Model 1 .50 GI

Mooseman684 · 01-12-2006, 10:34 PM

I voted with the majority ,Har,but since I live in Alaska in unit 13 which has more Grizzlies than people I have to add my 2 cents worth. The Bar in .338 would be the best choice if thats ALL you could get. My first 7 ft. Grizz was taken at 30 yards with a 30/06 Remington 742 autoloader...The bullet hit him 3 inches high right between the eyes and he went down in a pile so fast that the second round creased his hide across his back. His skull Exploded!!! I disagree with those that say bullets "Bounce off " the skull...Never seen a bullet bounce but have seen a close shot just high enough to split the scalp and make him mad !I had the autoloader malfunction with Bad factory Remington ammo as a Blackie was charging so i shot him with my .45 auto. I now use a model 70 Winchester in .300 WM 180gr. Nosler for grizz, Moose, Buffalo, Caribou...One shot,One Kill ! In Thick brush I will go in with a 45-70 with 405 gr.flat nose just for punch ! Moose seem to be tougher...took 14 rounds of 30/06 in the breadbasket, neck and head to kill my first one, Kept knocking him down and he kept getting up ! I've never lived it down from my hunting buddies ! They use .338,.300 H+H ! We 've killed a lot of bears !:right:

Shaun · 01-13-2006, 01:04 AM

mooseman what do you think about a 375H&H with a 45lc (ruger hot loads) for brownies

Mooseman684 · 01-13-2006, 01:13 AM

Shaun, That will do nicely if you place the Bullet where it needs to be!
I carry A Redhawk .44 with solids if the rifle fails...5 rounds for the bear and 1 for me !

Shaun · 01-13-2006, 02:16 AM

Thanks I will be using 270gr Barnes XLC's at 2900fps in the rifle and my partner will be carrying a 416 rigby both of us will have the 45's and the guide is sure to have a 458

burd1959 · 01-13-2006, 09:02 AM

dang brg looks like your griz toast today lol

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12-03-2005, 12:31 AM	#24
Copper Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern "Mizzeruh" Posts: 246	I'd go with a Benelli M4 loaded with Federal 2 -3/4 inch solid copper X slug. Collapsable stock, 18.5 inch barrel, and AO ghost ring sights. Well, while I'm dreaming, how 'bout a Wesley-Richards double rifle in .577 Nitro Express shooting 750 gr. Woodleigh soft points? Last edited by Copper; 12-03-2005 at 12:33 AM.

12-12-2005, 04:35 PM	#26
Andrew Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 46	12 gauge with handloaded or Federal Trueball slugs or 30-06 220 grain hot handloads(pretty much a .300 Win. Mag.)Or an MG42:full: :full: :full: :full: :full: :full: :full: :full: __________________ :full: :full:Just get in yer crosshairs and start shootin'!!! :full: :full:

12-15-2005, 12:01 AM	#28
RodneyKSig Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In the Great City of San Antonio in The Greatest State of Texas Posts: 41	Who says hunting with FMJ is illegal I do it all the time in on private property, but then again I live in Texas and not California. I am sorry but your state has to go, its so darn restictive. __________________ If you want Peace, you must prepare for War." -The Punisher

12-26-2005, 01:58 PM	#33
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 974 Images: 6	.45 Auto "Life is too important to be taken seriously." __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

11-27-2005, 05:42 PM	#21
Lonegun1894 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waco, TX Posts: 206	anyone considered a FAL with a m-203 mounted? Granted the 203 only gives you one shance, but if the grenade fails, you have 20 rounds of .308, or some monstrosity BRG can manage to run through a FAL, probably somewhere between .458 and .50. BRG, if you make one, make another and send it to me, for um, testing, yeah, thats it. Along with a bill for how much you want for it.

11-27-2005, 05:49 PM	#22
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: En route Posts: 934 Images: 3	How bout an NEF handi rifle in 500S&W.

11-27-2005, 05:52 PM	#23
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I was born and raised in Alaska too...I vote for a 12 gauge pump shotgun and a .454 Casull or .50 Action Express back up

12-03-2005, 12:52 AM	#25
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,604	.45-.70

12-13-2005, 04:43 PM	#27
Copper Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Southern "Mizzeruh" Posts: 246	True happiness is a belt fed weapon.:target:

12-15-2005, 03:38 PM	#29
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 872 Images: 10	BAR... that 338 could be used to take them out at a distance too

12-16-2005, 08:08 AM	#30
Sav .250 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 176	Just "voted" and found i was with the majority. " The best part of the hunt is not the harvest but in the experience."

12-25-2005, 01:46 PM	#31
Bountyhunter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Territory Posts: 103	Rugged, 125 gr's for bear? Please...... The 125's will do one of two things. Either they will lodge in the skin/fat layer and not penetrate into muscle, or they will richocet off the skull, either way, enraging an already mad and determined killing machine. If confronted by a charging 1500 pound bear, most likely, most people would be pumping last nights supper into the seat of their Levi's as opposed to pumping bullets. Semi auto for Bear? Most likely, the round which would serve that purpose best would be the .50 Beowulf as it is already a production gun of proven energy. It is a full .500 caliber bullet of 400 grains loaded to 1800 fps from a basic AR-15 frame. Marines in Irak can testify to what it will do. Think of a semi-auto .50-70. http://www.gunblast.com/50Beowulf.htm Alaska Fish and Game, guides, and hunters for years have established minimum standards for cartridges which are adequate for bear. The reason people get eaten by bears is from debating the already proven experience. Bill

12-26-2005, 05:41 PM	#34
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: En route Posts: 934 Images: 3	Guncrafters Model 1 .50 GI

01-12-2006, 10:34 PM	#35
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,415 Images: 2	I voted with the majority ,Har,but since I live in Alaska in unit 13 which has more Grizzlies than people I have to add my 2 cents worth. The Bar in .338 would be the best choice if thats ALL you could get. My first 7 ft. Grizz was taken at 30 yards with a 30/06 Remington 742 autoloader...The bullet hit him 3 inches high right between the eyes and he went down in a pile so fast that the second round creased his hide across his back. His skull Exploded!!! I disagree with those that say bullets "Bounce off " the skull...Never seen a bullet bounce but have seen a close shot just high enough to split the scalp and make him mad !I had the autoloader malfunction with Bad factory Remington ammo as a Blackie was charging so i shot him with my .45 auto. I now use a model 70 Winchester in .300 WM 180gr. Nosler for grizz, Moose, Buffalo, Caribou...One shot,One Kill ! In Thick brush I will go in with a 45-70 with 405 gr.flat nose just for punch ! Moose seem to be tougher...took 14 rounds of 30/06 in the breadbasket, neck and head to kill my first one, Kept knocking him down and he kept getting up ! I've never lived it down from my hunting buddies ! They use .338,.300 H+H ! We 've killed a lot of bears !:right: __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

01-13-2006, 01:04 AM	#36
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,599 Images: 1	mooseman what do you think about a 375H&H with a 45lc (ruger hot loads) for brownies __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-13-2006, 01:13 AM	#37
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,415 Images: 2	Shaun, That will do nicely if you place the Bullet where it needs to be! I carry A Redhawk .44 with solids if the rifle fails...5 rounds for the bear and 1 for me ! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

01-13-2006, 02:16 AM	#38
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,599 Images: 1	Thanks I will be using 270gr Barnes XLC's at 2900fps in the rifle and my partner will be carrying a 416 rigby both of us will have the 45's and the guide is sure to have a 458 __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-13-2006, 09:02 AM	#39
burd1959 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: burton michigan Posts: 608	dang brg looks like your griz toast today lol