Semi-auto short range Griz defense

BattleRifleG3 · 08-12-2004, 03:02 AM

Yup, another griz gun thread.

Which would you guys take if in free Alaska? This is for short range defensive backup only, not for long range hunting. This is to put down a charging griz as fast as possible.

08-12-2004, 06:57 AM

I was born and raised in Alaska..I've been very close to very big grizzlies..I would want a shotgun with handloads..dental floss with split shot crimped on it

colt45 · 08-12-2004, 09:09 AM

12 ga. shotgun with Breneke slugs.

jerry · 08-12-2004, 09:59 AM

12 ga pump, extended tube with alternating slugs (Breneke would be a good choice for deep penetration) and 00 Buck. 3" Chambered, but would probably load 2 3/4" fodder.

18.5~20" barrel. Synthetic stock (model 870, my personal pref.) Steel would be ROGUARD inside and out http://www.robarguns.com/DesktopDefa...d=4&tabindex=2

Fiber optic front bead as encounters may more likely be at dusk or dawn.

A sling that comes off the shoulder easily would be handy too. Iv'e seen plenty of guys fishing with this rig when I visited Fairbanks.

Shaun · 08-12-2004, 10:17 AM

BRG go for the 338 in a Browning BAR

NRAJOE · 08-12-2004, 10:45 AM

More votes for getting eaten....:right:

BattleRifleG3 · 08-12-2004, 12:40 PM

Well whadaya know, Brenneke slugs are my favorite round out of my Moss 590. Might pick up an 870 ESM some day to use 3.5" rounds, that or an auto.

BattleRifleG3 · 03-06-2005, 02:57 AM

I'm thinkin a Saiga-12 with a customized rifled barrel firing Dixie slugs would combine the firepower of a semi-auto with the reliability of a pump in a compact and versatile package.

gunssb · 03-06-2005, 03:02 AM

I voted Saiga because it's affordable. Otherwise I'd go for the BAR.

Matt Patterson · 03-26-2005, 03:12 PM

NO SEMI-AUTOS!!!!!!!!!! They can malfunction too much Pump action shotgun in 10g with handloaded single-o buck shot. only shoot them in the head! Almost sure to kill them!

gunssb · 03-26-2005, 04:21 PM

The majority want BRG eaten - must be flattering

03-26-2005, 04:35 PM

it's 'cause of all the polls

timberlord · 03-28-2005, 06:56 PM

No Griz in my neck of the woods and the biggest bear I've seen is a ol' blackie boar which is only 1/3 the size of a Griz .
I'm surprised at how many choose sluggers instead of rifles !
Learn something everyday

Rugged · 03-29-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

Yup, another griz gun thread.

Which would you guys take if in free Alaska? This is for short range defensive backup only, not for long range hunting. This is to put down a charging griz as fast as possible.

you ready for amazement?

my #1 choice would be any of these: m1a in .308 ruger mini thirty, akm. possibly leaning toward the mini 30 with 125 grain pointed soft points alternated with that cheap wolf Hollow Point stuff.

I make these choices because you mentioned semi-auto, and possible follow up. These aren't "one shot stopper" rounds for griz or polar bears, BUT the recoil is light, the accuracy is there, and 3 rounds would definitely stop one.

Remember with non game animals you don't care about meat. Also, in life or death you dont general think about trohpies... you're not looking for a heart and lung cavity shot, you want a nervous system shot (head).

If I was Surprised by a 1500 pound bear within charging distance, I could pump 3 or 4 round into his head and neck.

If I must chose a big caliber to play, I will go with .50 bmg

Thrawn · 03-29-2005, 07:50 PM

Mg 42

maarten221 · 03-29-2005, 08:47 PM

uuuhhhm I've seen shot fail on leopard before. In this video: http://www.streamload.com/thetroll/E...HFWGU/lion.wmv

Everything they had, failed.Gimme Slugs and lots of em. If it is in Griz country - I'd take HE rounds if available, thank you.
Some shotgun shots on leopard and lion will not penetrate the skull at all....most likely on a bear, you would just make it more angry...

Matt Patterson · 03-29-2005, 09:42 PM

FMJ Bullets because PSP can riccochet off their skull. {Been known to happen}

gunssb · 03-29-2005, 10:06 PM

you can't hunt with FMJ

Rugged · 03-31-2005, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrawn

Mg 42

LMMFAO ! every "what kind of?" question can be answered with the same post.

rofl Thrawn

Matt Patterson · 03-31-2005, 07:43 PM

Personal Protection DUDE!

View Poll Results: Which gun for short range Griz Defense?
Saiga conversion to 444 Marlin	8	19.05%
AR-10 conversion to 450 Marlin	10	23.81%
BAR Mk II in 338 Win Mag	6	14.29%
M1 Garand parts gun in 35 Whelen	6	14.29%
Something that won't work so that BattleRifle will be eaten.	17	40.48%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

08-12-2004, 09:09 AM	#3
colt45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Occupied Territories of New York (Buffalo) Posts: 2,898	12 ga. shotgun with Breneke slugs. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" -Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis "If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." - Ted Nugent "Self-defense is Nature's eldest law." -John Dryden

08-12-2004, 09:59 AM	#4
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,117 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	12 ga pump, extended tube with alternating slugs (Breneke would be a good choice for deep penetration) and 00 Buck. 3" Chambered, but would probably load 2 3/4" fodder. 18.5~20" barrel. Synthetic stock (model 870, my personal pref.) Steel would be ROGUARD inside and out http://www.robarguns.com/DesktopDefa...d=4&tabindex=2 Fiber optic front bead as encounters may more likely be at dusk or dawn. A sling that comes off the shoulder easily would be handy too. Iv'e seen plenty of guys fishing with this rig when I visited Fairbanks. __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

08-12-2004, 10:17 AM	#5
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,599 Images: 1	BRG go for the 338 in a Browning BAR __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

08-12-2004, 10:45 AM	#6
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,209 Images: 3	More votes for getting eaten....:right: __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-12-2004, 03:02 AM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,432 Images: 13	Semi-auto short range Griz defense Yup, another griz gun thread. Which would you guys take if in free Alaska? This is for short range defensive backup only, not for long range hunting. This is to put down a charging griz as fast as possible. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-12-2004, 06:57 AM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I was born and raised in Alaska..I've been very close to very big grizzlies..I would want a shotgun with handloads..dental floss with split shot crimped on it

08-12-2004, 12:40 PM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,432 Images: 13	Well whadaya know, Brenneke slugs are my favorite round out of my Moss 590. Might pick up an 870 ESM some day to use 3.5" rounds, that or an auto. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-06-2005, 02:57 AM	#8
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,432 Images: 13	I'm thinkin a Saiga-12 with a customized rifled barrel firing Dixie slugs would combine the firepower of a semi-auto with the reliability of a pump in a compact and versatile package. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

03-06-2005, 03:02 AM	#9
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	I voted Saiga because it's affordable. Otherwise I'd go for the BAR.

03-26-2005, 03:12 PM	#10
Matt Patterson Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Eufaula OK Posts: 43	NO SEMI-AUTOS!!!!!!!!!! They can malfunction too much Pump action shotgun in 10g with handloaded single-o buck shot. only shoot them in the head! Almost sure to kill them!

03-26-2005, 04:21 PM	#11
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	The majority want BRG eaten - must be flattering

03-26-2005, 04:35 PM	#12
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	it's 'cause of all the polls

03-28-2005, 06:56 PM	#13
timberlord Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 315	No Griz in my neck of the woods and the biggest bear I've seen is a ol' blackie boar which is only 1/3 the size of a Griz . I'm surprised at how many choose sluggers instead of rifles ! Learn something everyday __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...LongStamp1.jpg

03-29-2005, 07:50 PM	#15
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	Mg 42

03-29-2005, 08:47 PM	#16
maarten221 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 218	uuuhhhm I've seen shot fail on leopard before. In this video: http://www.streamload.com/thetroll/E...HFWGU/lion.wmv Everything they had, failed.Gimme Slugs and lots of em. If it is in Griz country - I'd take HE rounds if available, thank you. Some shotgun shots on leopard and lion will not penetrate the skull at all....most likely on a bear, you would just make it more angry...

03-29-2005, 09:42 PM	#17
Matt Patterson Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Eufaula OK Posts: 43	FMJ Bullets because PSP can riccochet off their skull. {Been known to happen} __________________ SWEET YO!!! :gangster: :guitar:

03-29-2005, 10:06 PM	#18
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	you can't hunt with FMJ

03-31-2005, 07:43 PM	#20
Matt Patterson Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Eufaula OK Posts: 43	Personal Protection DUDE! __________________ SWEET YO!!! :gangster: :guitar: