30-30 Versus 30-06

woodster · 12-22-2006, 12:43 PM

Understanding Caliber, Bullet Weights and Ballistics.

Understanding-Caliber-Article

Lng Rng · 12-22-2006, 02:21 PM

This a very poorly written article. It shows very little understanding of what the title suggests. Thats about all I can say.

woodster · 12-22-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lng Rng

This a very poorly written article. It shows very little understanding of what the title suggests. Thats about all I can say.

This is simply an article written in very general terms. If you wish to get into the specifics of exterior ballistics, I would recommend the Sierra Web page.

exterior ballistics

Big Dog · 12-22-2006, 05:51 PM

They are both good tools, each with it's own pros and cons. A well-equipped shooter may well have both in his collection.
Neither is a direct comparison or replacement for the other.

woodster · 12-22-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Dog

They are both good tools, each with it's own pros and cons. A well-equipped shooter may well have both in his collection.
Neither is a direct comparison or replacement for the other.

The most important tool or asset we will ever have will come from our own (trial & error) experience's.

jungleworker · 12-22-2006, 10:34 PM

What Big Dog said.

Choco · 12-22-2006, 11:37 PM

The .30-30 is a good round,reasonable recoil,and a good ammount of power.

Lng Rng · 12-25-2006, 12:11 AM

I don't think anybody on this forum doubts the killing power of the 30-30, it has been proven time and time again. What I saw when I read the article was a misunderstanding of bullet charteristics, which is what the article is on. He tries to tell the reader the slower, rounder bullet expanded better than the faster, pointier one, which is not true. What happened here seems more of poor performance of the 06' bullet, not that it has less short range killing power compared to a 30-30. Just look at the article, where he tries to tell you "shocking power" kills animals, or that a .308 and a 30-06 are the same bullet diameter. Or how about the 30-30 has killed more deer in North America than all calibers combined? I just think it is flawed writing, thats all.

Midas · 01-03-2007, 03:26 AM

Very "dumb" article.

younggun308 · 02-01-2007, 01:28 PM

That's pretty stupid, comparing the 30-06 to the 30-30!

The only 30-30 cartridge that comes close the the 30-06 is the 30-30 accelerator,IMO.

samuel · 02-01-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by younggun308

That's pretty stupid, comparing the 30-06 to the 30-30!

The only 30-30 cartridge that comes close the the 30-06 is the 30-30 accelerator,IMO.

If it is stupid to compare any big game cartridge to the .30-06 there are an awful lot of stupid people in the gun world including me. samuel.

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Originally Posted by 338WinMag

Very "dumb" article.

What I got out of it was some animals die harder than others.Something I have witnessed several times.There is no doubt the 180gr pointed bullet with a heavier jacket to prevent it from expanding too fast at .06 velocity might be a little heavy for deer.But so is the 170gr in the .30-30.The round nose thinner jacket gives better expansion and better energy distribution but the higher energy factor in the .06 must have worked because 75yds isnt far for a deer to run when shot.I have seen them make it that far when the heart was shot and destroyed.I would say both bullets worked like they should. samuel.

heilung · 02-01-2007, 07:42 PM

The article made sense to me. The 3006 bullet went through the deer at high velocity and at much higher energy, but it made a small hole because the bullet did not expand and TRANSFER the energy to the deer. The writer explained that. That's why we should be happy cosmic rays passing through our bodies have verry small mass, and that a high velocity expanding .45 bullet that doesnt leave the bad guy - is so devastating.

"Ballistics - A Law We Can Live With"

Heilung

Lng Rng · 02-01-2007, 09:52 PM

OK, but you would think that even a pointed bullet would expand. This year I shot my deer with a 150 grain bullet, with the bullet probably traveling about 3,000 fps on impact. Fast. So under the author's theory, that bullet should have just poked a little hole in the deer, right? Well of all the deer I have seen shot, this one had one of the largest exit wounds that I have ever seen. Surely, all of the bullet energy didn't transfer into the deer, but that didn't stop the bullet from expanding. I am just saying, a fast, pointed bullet will expand, you just need to have proper bullet construction to allow it to.

englishdas · 02-27-2007, 11:16 PM

I hate to chip in, but Comparing a round-nose 30-30 to a pointed 30-06 is irrelevant anyway nowadays, right?

Hornaday's LeveRevolution makes a perfectly outstanding 'pointed' 165gr 30-30 cartridge. Wouldn't this be a better cartridge to compare against a 30-06?

btw, the one I shot left a pencil sized hole on entry side of the deer ribs, and an unusable shoulder of fragments on the other side. Maybe that's cos it's just a plastic, not solid, point though.

And maybe all that I wrote above is of no relevance to what you guys are discussing and i'm off on a tangent. sorry.

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Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,412	They are both good tools, each with it's own pros and cons. A well-equipped shooter may well have both in his collection. Neither is a direct comparison or replacement for the other. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

02-01-2007, 07:42 PM	#12
heilung Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 235 Blog Entries: 5	Its About Energy Transfer The article made sense to me. The 3006 bullet went through the deer at high velocity and at much higher energy, but it made a small hole because the bullet did not expand and TRANSFER the energy to the deer. The writer explained that. That's why we should be happy cosmic rays passing through our bodies have verry small mass, and that a high velocity expanding .45 bullet that doesnt leave the bad guy - is so devastating. "Ballistics - A Law We Can Live With" Heilung Last edited by heilung; 02-01-2007 at 07:44 PM.

12-22-2006, 02:21 PM	#2
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 961	This a very poorly written article. It shows very little understanding of what the title suggests. Thats about all I can say.

12-22-2006, 10:34 PM	#6
jungleworker Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 25	What Big Dog said.

12-22-2006, 11:37 PM	#7
Choco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 199	The .30-30 is a good round,reasonable recoil,and a good ammount of power.

12-25-2006, 12:11 AM	#8
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 961	I don't think anybody on this forum doubts the killing power of the 30-30, it has been proven time and time again. What I saw when I read the article was a misunderstanding of bullet charteristics, which is what the article is on. He tries to tell the reader the slower, rounder bullet expanded better than the faster, pointier one, which is not true. What happened here seems more of poor performance of the 06' bullet, not that it has less short range killing power compared to a 30-30. Just look at the article, where he tries to tell you "shocking power" kills animals, or that a .308 and a 30-06 are the same bullet diameter. Or how about the 30-30 has killed more deer in North America than all calibers combined? I just think it is flawed writing, thats all.

01-03-2007, 03:26 AM	#9
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,899 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	Very "dumb" article.

02-01-2007, 01:28 PM	#10
younggun308 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 17	That's pretty stupid, comparing the 30-06 to the 30-30! The only 30-30 cartridge that comes close the the 30-06 is the 30-30 accelerator,IMO.

02-01-2007, 09:52 PM	#13
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 961	OK, but you would think that even a pointed bullet would expand. This year I shot my deer with a 150 grain bullet, with the bullet probably traveling about 3,000 fps on impact. Fast. So under the author's theory, that bullet should have just poked a little hole in the deer, right? Well of all the deer I have seen shot, this one had one of the largest exit wounds that I have ever seen. Surely, all of the bullet energy didn't transfer into the deer, but that didn't stop the bullet from expanding. I am just saying, a fast, pointed bullet will expand, you just need to have proper bullet construction to allow it to.

02-27-2007, 11:16 PM	#14
englishdas Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Owensboro Kentucky Posts: 26	I hate to chip in, but Comparing a round-nose 30-30 to a pointed 30-06 is irrelevant anyway nowadays, right? Hornaday's LeveRevolution makes a perfectly outstanding 'pointed' 165gr 30-30 cartridge. Wouldn't this be a better cartridge to compare against a 30-06? btw, the one I shot left a pencil sized hole on entry side of the deer ribs, and an unusable shoulder of fragments on the other side. Maybe that's cos it's just a plastic, not solid, point though. And maybe all that I wrote above is of no relevance to what you guys are discussing and i'm off on a tangent. sorry.