My $500.00 deer. maybe.

trapfreek · 11-17-2007, 05:49 PM

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I shot this deer this morning about 8AM, stayed in my stand about 40 minutes before tracking it and found it about 30 minutes after that. I knew my son-in -law was hunting at the top of the hill, and that he was not going to stay out very long so I left the deer and went up the hill about 300 yds to where he was and was going to get him to help me drag it out. Well the conservation officer came in the field where we were and asked to see my licence, which I showed him, he then followed us down the hill to the deer which I did not even have dressed yet. Well I hadn't put the transportation tag on him yet so he wrote me a citation for having an untagged deer. I always tag my deer and if I was trying to hide the deer I would not have even told him about it. I looked up the offense and it carries up to $500.00 fine and 6 months in jail.

Oxford · 11-17-2007, 05:54 PM

That's a bunch of crap!

Why in the hexx did you get a citation? Are you supposed to tag a legal kill within X amount of time? I don't know the laws in your state...but in MO we're allowed to take a buck if it has four points on one side. There's nothing I know of in the hunting reg's that says there's a time limit on tagging the harvested deer. I would appeal your citation...unless you know of something you didn't mention above.

trapfreek · 11-17-2007, 06:03 PM

The law reads Immediatly upon harvesting a deer you have to fill out the transportation tag and affix it to the leg if you are going to leave the deer out of your sight.

He could have confiscated my gun and the deer. I asked him if he was going to take the deer and he probably would have, but he would have had to drag it to the top of that nasty hill.

two-70 · 11-17-2007, 06:24 PM

that sucks

ArkansasHunter · 11-17-2007, 06:45 PM

That is a bunch a crap !!!! I would call the Dept. and explain that you hadn't even went after the deer but instead went for help in locateing and getting it out !

I wouldn't sit still for this, I would atleast find out what your options are before you pay or go to court.

I'm so sorry this happen to you and I would fight back if I knew I was innocent.

Let us know how you come out we all can deludge them with E-Mails if you want us too !!!...A.H

trapfreek · 11-17-2007, 07:00 PM

I'm good friends with a detective, but in a different county, than I was cited in, and I am going to ask him for his advice. My court date is not until January.

Dookiebutt · 11-19-2007, 07:16 AM

Been there and done that. I got a citation for hunting without written permission. Same land we had hunted on and fished on every year for eight years. Gave the farmer meat and wine. He always came out to see what was going on. Real nice fellow. Too bad he didn't own the property - his mamma did.

They aren't too nice to hunters in court.

.22guy · 11-19-2007, 11:56 AM

That stinks. Keep us updated on what happens.

Idaho Dave · 11-19-2007, 12:05 PM

My friend got a ticket this year in utah while phesent hunting for no license. It was in the truck and the officer wouldnt even let him go to get it and show it to him. The guy threatened to take his shot gun too, but didnt.

rckymtnboy · 11-19-2007, 12:34 PM

You might of been able to use the story that you needed help locating the deer, if you hadn't lead the officer right to the kill...not a good one to use now. Why don't they focus on the actual problems, like poachers? A friend of mine was fined and had his gun taken away because he finished off an elk that another hunter had already shot and gave up looking for. The reason? Because he shot 15 minutes after dark. The elk was still thrashing around and no way in hell would anyone in their right mind try to cut it's throat when it's still kicking. Still, he lost his rifle, pistol, elk, hunting license, AND was fined.

jerry · 11-19-2007, 01:52 PM

sorry to hear this TF. we have the same law here next door to ya.

JohnnyReb · 11-19-2007, 08:05 PM

hmm that sucks...I'm in law school now...and the only thing I would suggest, is can you explain more what they mean by "harvesting"...In law school, you wouldn't believe how many people get out of crimes by one itty bitty little word, it's shocking...You could claim you thought harvesting meant dismembering or capturing...I dunno...worth a shot...sorry bud...

toolman · 11-19-2007, 08:50 PM

The guy's just being a jerk! Our local game warden stopped me last year after dark when I was going to check the hog traps. He looked at my license and pointed out that I'd forgotten to fill out the log portion of it and told me where the hogs were crossing onto my FIL's property and where he thought they were holing up during the daytime. He gave me his card and said to call him if i ever need his help with anything. BTW, he stopped me because some guys had been shooting off of the road near our our place and he wanted to make sure we weren't poachers.

Lng Rng · 11-19-2007, 11:42 PM

Minnesota used to have that stupid law, but they changed it this year. Too many tags being torn off in the woods, while the deer was being dragged.

Either way, I hope that the decision gets reversed.

Zen900 · 11-20-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by trapfreek

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I shot this deer this morning about 8AM, stayed in my stand about 40 minutes before tracking it and found it about 30 minutes after that. I knew my son-in -law was hunting at the top of the hill, and that he was not going to stay out very long so I left the deer and went up the hill about 300 yds to where he was and was going to get him to help me drag it out. Well the conservation officer came in the field where we were and asked to see my licence, which I showed him, he then followed us down the hill to the deer which I did not even have dressed yet. Well I hadn't put the transportation tag on him yet so he wrote me a citation for having an untagged deer. I always tag my deer and if I was trying to hide the deer I would not have even told him about it. I looked up the offense and it carries up to $500.00 fine and 6 months in jail.

You found your kill at 9:10 a.m. an hour and 10 mins after shooting it yet you did not tag it. When did thewarden arrive? Why didn't you tag it when you located it earlier? Did you have a tag on you? We don't have the tag law in SC unless it is a doe on non doe days. You didn't mention if it was a doe or buck. I fail to see any advantage you gained by not immediately tagging or not tagging the deer if you had a tag on you. Sounds like the warden was going by the letter of the law but why? How did you subvert the intent of the law? I don't see a violation if you had a tag on you. I have to wonder if he thinks you were going to use a tag that your son had.

Rem 742 30-06 · 11-20-2007, 12:22 AM

I think the whole point of him getting his son-in-law to tag the deer, but in Wisconsin that is perfectly legal as long as you don't use an electronic device.

Mooseman684 · 11-20-2007, 12:44 AM

I would fight that charge, IF you hadn't cut the Deer (Gutted) or bled him yet, the Deer had run off after being Shot and You had your son go with you down the Hill for safety sake to find it. The Game warden followed you and didn't give you a chance to "prepare" the deer for Transportation By Gutting, tagging,etc. before writing you a Citation, and Since you Had "NO INTENT" to leave the deer untagged,
You were licensed and possessed a tag, Without "Intent"There is no Crime under Most State laws.
If you were Truly in Violation of the Law, The Deer and Gun Should have been Confiscated regardless of the Deer's Location. Because the Game Warden Didn't want to Deal with the Deer, indicates that the Terrain was Difficult and he should have given you the opportunity to abide by the law as you intended, instead of Immediately writing a "Frivolous Citation" to a Law abiding Hunter.
Rich

Zen900 · 11-20-2007, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Zen900

You found your kill at 9:10 a.m. an hour and 10 mins after shooting it yet you did not tag it. When did thewarden arrive? Why didn't you tag it when you located it earlier? Did you have a tag on you? We don't have the tag law in SC unless it is a doe on non doe days. You didn't mention if it was a doe or buck. I fail to see any advantage you gained by not immediately tagging or not tagging the deer if you had a tag on you. Sounds like the warden was going by the letter of the law but why? How did you subvert the intent of the law? I don't see a violation if you had a tag on you. I have to wonder if he thinks you were going to use a tag that your son had.

If you think the game law is vague write to: Game laws, American Hunter, 11250 Waples Mill Rd, Fairfax Virginia 22030-9400 or email to Publications@nrahq.org

Look on pg 20-21 of Amrican Hunter Magazines Dec 07 issue if you wonder why I say this.

Midas · 11-20-2007, 02:46 AM

Put simply, this is ridiculous. Its laws like this that bother me, year in and year out.

trapfreek · 11-20-2007, 06:48 PM

We have to fill out a temporary transportation tag immediatly upon killing a deer. You do not have to attach it to the deer as long as you do not let the deer out of your sight until you have dragged it to your truck. I did two things wrong. I did not fill out the tag immediatley and I left the deer temprarily out of my sight without tagging it. The only thing I had on my mind was catching my son-in-law before he left for the morning. there was no way I could have dragged the deer up that nasty hill without help. We cannot fill other people's tags here in IN. I had every intention of tagging the deer before leaving the property, just a lapse in judgement and not following exactly the letter of the law.

11-17-2007, 05:49 PM	#1
trapfreek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0)	My $500.00 deer. maybe. MyDeer.jpg - Image - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting I shot this deer this morning about 8AM, stayed in my stand about 40 minutes before tracking it and found it about 30 minutes after that. I knew my son-in -law was hunting at the top of the hill, and that he was not going to stay out very long so I left the deer and went up the hill about 300 yds to where he was and was going to get him to help me drag it out. Well the conservation officer came in the field where we were and asked to see my licence, which I showed him, he then followed us down the hill to the deer which I did not even have dressed yet. Well I hadn't put the transportation tag on him yet so he wrote me a citation for having an untagged deer. I always tag my deer and if I was trying to hide the deer I would not have even told him about it. I looked up the offense and it carries up to $500.00 fine and 6 months in jail.

11-17-2007, 05:54 PM	#2
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 12,949 Trader Rating: (0)	That's a bunch of crap! Why in the hexx did you get a citation? Are you supposed to tag a legal kill within X amount of time? I don't know the laws in your state...but in MO we're allowed to take a buck if it has four points on one side. There's nothing I know of in the hunting reg's that says there's a time limit on tagging the harvested deer. I would appeal your citation...unless you know of something you didn't mention above. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

11-17-2007, 06:03 PM	#3
trapfreek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0)	The law reads Immediatly upon harvesting a deer you have to fill out the transportation tag and affix it to the leg if you are going to leave the deer out of your sight. He could have confiscated my gun and the deer. I asked him if he was going to take the deer and he probably would have, but he would have had to drag it to the top of that nasty hill. Last edited by trapfreek; 11-17-2007 at 06:06 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-17-2007, 06:24 PM	#4
two-70 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: ponca city, oklahoma Posts: 1,755 Trader Rating: (0)	that sucks __________________ What Would Jesus Do ????? Just Ask Him.

11-19-2007, 11:56 AM	#8
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,056 Trader Rating: (0)	That stinks. Keep us updated on what happens. __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

11-17-2007, 06:45 PM	#5
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,465 Trader Rating: (0)	That is a bunch a crap !!!! I would call the Dept. and explain that you hadn't even went after the deer but instead went for help in locateing and getting it out ! I wouldn't sit still for this, I would atleast find out what your options are before you pay or go to court. I'm so sorry this happen to you and I would fight back if I knew I was innocent. Let us know how you come out we all can deludge them with E-Mails if you want us too !!!...A.H

11-17-2007, 07:00 PM	#6
trapfreek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm good friends with a detective, but in a different county, than I was cited in, and I am going to ask him for his advice. My court date is not until January.

11-19-2007, 07:16 AM	#7
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,006 Trader Rating: (0)	Been there and done that. I got a citation for hunting without written permission. Same land we had hunted on and fished on every year for eight years. Gave the farmer meat and wine. He always came out to see what was going on. Real nice fellow. Too bad he didn't own the property - his mamma did. They aren't too nice to hunters in court.

11-19-2007, 12:05 PM	#9
Idaho Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 485 Trader Rating: (0)	My friend got a ticket this year in utah while phesent hunting for no license. It was in the truck and the officer wouldnt even let him go to get it and show it to him. The guy threatened to take his shot gun too, but didnt. __________________ Living the life

11-19-2007, 12:34 PM	#10
rckymtnboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I am a dual resident. Posts: 340 Trader Rating: (0)	You might of been able to use the story that you needed help locating the deer, if you hadn't lead the officer right to the kill...not a good one to use now. Why don't they focus on the actual problems, like poachers? A friend of mine was fined and had his gun taken away because he finished off an elk that another hunter had already shot and gave up looking for. The reason? Because he shot 15 minutes after dark. The elk was still thrashing around and no way in hell would anyone in their right mind try to cut it's throat when it's still kicking. Still, he lost his rifle, pistol, elk, hunting license, AND was fined. __________________ When they come for my guns, I'll give 'em the bullets first!

11-19-2007, 01:52 PM	#11
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,757 Trader Rating: (0)	sorry to hear this TF. we have the same law here next door to ya.

11-19-2007, 08:05 PM	#12
JohnnyReb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0)	hmm that sucks...I'm in law school now...and the only thing I would suggest, is can you explain more what they mean by "harvesting"...In law school, you wouldn't believe how many people get out of crimes by one itty bitty little word, it's shocking...You could claim you thought harvesting meant dismembering or capturing...I dunno...worth a shot...sorry bud...

11-19-2007, 08:50 PM	#13
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,290 Trader Rating: (0)	The guy's just being a jerk! Our local game warden stopped me last year after dark when I was going to check the hog traps. He looked at my license and pointed out that I'd forgotten to fill out the log portion of it and told me where the hogs were crossing onto my FIL's property and where he thought they were holing up during the daytime. He gave me his card and said to call him if i ever need his help with anything. BTW, he stopped me because some guys had been shooting off of the road near our our place and he wanted to make sure we weren't poachers. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

11-19-2007, 11:42 PM	#14
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	Minnesota used to have that stupid law, but they changed it this year. Too many tags being torn off in the woods, while the deer was being dragged. Either way, I hope that the decision gets reversed.

11-20-2007, 12:22 AM	#16
Rem 742 30-06 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Wisconsin Posts: 390 Trader Rating: (0)	I think the whole point of him getting his son-in-law to tag the deer, but in Wisconsin that is perfectly legal as long as you don't use an electronic device.

11-20-2007, 12:44 AM	#17
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,169 Trader Rating: (0)	I would fight that charge, IF you hadn't cut the Deer (Gutted) or bled him yet, the Deer had run off after being Shot and You had your son go with you down the Hill for safety sake to find it. The Game warden followed you and didn't give you a chance to "prepare" the deer for Transportation By Gutting, tagging,etc. before writing you a Citation, and Since you Had "NO INTENT" to leave the deer untagged, You were licensed and possessed a tag, Without "Intent"There is no Crime under Most State laws. If you were Truly in Violation of the Law, The Deer and Gun Should have been Confiscated regardless of the Deer's Location. Because the Game Warden Didn't want to Deal with the Deer, indicates that the Terrain was Difficult and he should have given you the opportunity to abide by the law as you intended, instead of Immediately writing a "Frivolous Citation" to a Law abiding Hunter. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

11-20-2007, 02:46 AM	#19
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,678 Trader Rating: (0)	Put simply, this is ridiculous. Its laws like this that bother me, year in and year out. __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

11-20-2007, 06:48 PM	#20
trapfreek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0)	We have to fill out a temporary transportation tag immediatly upon killing a deer. You do not have to attach it to the deer as long as you do not let the deer out of your sight until you have dragged it to your truck. I did two things wrong. I did not fill out the tag immediatley and I left the deer temprarily out of my sight without tagging it. The only thing I had on my mind was catching my son-in-law before he left for the morning. there was no way I could have dragged the deer up that nasty hill without help. We cannot fill other people's tags here in IN. I had every intention of tagging the deer before leaving the property, just a lapse in judgement and not following exactly the letter of the law.