AWESOME SHOT

[Pumpkinheaver]

Originally Posted by Midas

With the proper set up, it CAN be done. However, I sure as hell am not going to condone such activity, I feel that it is merely for "bragging rights", and is borderline unethical. There is a point where it's no longer "hunting", and it becomes the same as long range "shooting"

I'll second what you said. Pretty much sums it up!

[Palladin8]

Originally Posted by MOD 70

I wonder if that scope would stay together on 338-378 Wea.?

Some military units use the scopes on their 308's as well as the Barrets so I would think the 338-378 wouldn't hurt it.

[175rltw]

My buddy Jim has tested that system and that round at Blackwater, Jim Gilliland- there was an article in time magazine about him. He was impressed. Anyway The thing is I got no qualms taking a 950 meter poke at a guy- even with a 308 i got a real good chance of a first shot hit- with a 300 win- it's money in the bank. But a marginal hit on a guy is still a hit and we're all happy. a marginal hit on an animal is unacceptable. so I don't shoot very far at them- haven't had any oppertunity to shoot out past 400 meters at a deer- and that's far enough for me.

[tcwildcat7mm]

thats one heck of a shot if real, but i wouldnt take it if i could make it. thats not the kind of hunting i like. But if its legal, and they r ok with it, thats fine with me. wasn't there a mainstream hunting show featuring these scopes and set ups for long range hunting? i remember seeing a guy drop a goat if im not mistaken at 600 yards.
personally, I like to hearthem breathe before i shoot. thats why i love my pistol and all my bows!

[ArkansasHunter]

It was one heck of a shot ! That a competent Sportsman would never take.
A.H

[rondog]

I've often wondered how many hunters have taken long shots at animals, and killed them, then realized there was no way to get over there and retrieve the animal. Like shooting an elk on the other side of a canyon, and you'd need a helicopter to fetch it. Or Dall Sheep that are waaaaay up on the side of a rocky bluff. How many animals have been wasted that way, not to mention the ones that were wounded and ran off to die elsewhere.

I'd actually prefer to try making long-distance shots at water-filled milk jugs, myself.

Never had the desire to hunt or kill large animals. Done a little quail and dove hunting in my youth, but don't really have the taste for wild game. I prefer cows, pigs and chickens myself. All clean and wrapped in a package. No "inner caveman", I guess.

[Shawn C]

To all, but mostly to Arkansas Hunter,

It is unfortunate that some people are so quick to bash others in the hunting community. Long distance hunting is no more or less ethical than any other form of hunting. Simply put you are either taking a high % shot or your not. If you are an accomplished long range shooter and 1000 yard field shots in good conditions are a high % shot for you, why should you be considered an ingnorant bastard? I would consider the long range shooter shooting within his ability much more ethical than the guy who shoots 3 or 4 rounds just before season opens, then takes every shot in his rifle at a running animal at closer range despite these shots being low % shots for that particular person. I find it odd that you just don't hear much about the unethical close range hunter as there many more of them. Legal techniques for taking game are not unethical, people are unethical. Unethical people will be that way no matter the technique employed for hunting. The shot is real, no doubt about it. If you consider that just shooting of an animal and not hunting that is OK everyone is entitled to an opinion. I would say this, anyone who thinks that long range hunting easy, or that the person just can't hunt has not spent any time around it. I also know lots of bow hunters that think use of any firearms is not hunting at all no matter what the distance and that just is not the case. At any rate the biggest item in this post is the fact that someone made a great long range shot on a deer and now people who have already admitted that they don't do long range shooting, would never do long range hunting and admit they could never make a shot like that are calling the shooter ignorant, incompetent and unethical. It makes one wonder, since there is obviously no experience or back ground in long range shooting or hunting where do these comments come from? How can someone throw comments around like that with little or no experience to back them up? There are methods of legal take I do not like, but I am open to the fact that they are legal and certain segments of the hunting community employ them ethically and successfully.

[webs]

Looks like this is your first post and you may have jumped into the deep end of the pool already.(ha-ha)Welcome to the site.I assume from reading your post that you enjoy long range rifle hunting.There are different strokes for different folks,as an old saying goes,and there is nothing wrong with that.As hunters it is important that we respect each others values and bond together as a unit, rather than be pulled apart because of how we prefer to hunt or what weapons we choose to hunt with.Gun hunters,Bowhunters and Trappers must all stick together, to insure that we are a dedicated and un-divided group, in the eyes and minds of anti-hunters or non-hunters.I agree with you,as long as it is legal,and an animal can be killed cleanly and humanely with confidence,it doesn't matter whether the animal is standing 20 or 1000 yards away.To each their own and I respect that.

[Shawn C]

Webs,

Thanks for the welcome to the site despite my jumping in at odds with a few people. I am in fact an avid long range hunter. I also hunt with standard rifles, archery, and short range weapons (muzzleloaders and shotguns here in Idaho). I have seen through my affiliation with various sporting groups that the rifle guys cuss the bow hunters, the bowhunters don't think rifle hunters are real hunters, the stalkers cuss the hound hunters etc. This internal bashing accomplishes nothing and is counter productive.

[AKHunter]

Neat video to see, more impressive if legit. Cant say I have the confidence or skill to take a shot at that range. It appeared to me that a closer stalk was very possible , also the way the camera was blurred then came into focus and retreated quickly makes me think it was not the range they claim. I did however pay attention to the report and apparent impact of the bullet. There certainly was some delay to indicate a long range shot.
That being said, I am sure there are a number of shooters quite capable of making a hit like that. I imagine a number of current and former military and law enforcement snipers take their skills to the woods during hunting season. I would think there are some "farm boys" that grew up shooting critters at long range as well.

[Shawn C]

AK hunter,

It is a legit shot. I am the one who took it. The transfer to Utube does not do the original footage justice. You are one of the few who recognized the almost full second of flight time. The distance was in fact 951 yards with a Swarovski lazer range finder, 0 wind, no up or downhill, 211 inches of bullet drop. On the original footage you can see the bullet trace come from the low left in the screen and drop right into the deer. The 338 Edge I developed (I'm a gunsmith and tactical trainer) and it has the same energy at 1000 yards a 308 has at the muzzle. As far as speculation about it being luck and shots like that wound more than they kill. I am a USPSA national precision rifle champion and former law enforcement sniper. I have shot several animals in the last 4 or 5 years over 800 yards including a dandy black bear at 1016 yards last fall. I have not lost an animal in the last 20 years and that one was a poor close range shot. I shoot more rounds every year at 1000 or further in practice than most people shoot at 100 yards. In the conditions you saw in the video it was a high % shot for me. The actual impact was within 2" of my point of aim. My big issue with this post was bashing a segment of the hunting community that the posters did not even know anything about. I felt it was uninformed and kind of short sighted. By the way that is a nice moose in the photo.

[AKHunter]

Well done Shawn C, I commend you on your marksmanship and success !
Thanks for clearing that up and for the compliment on the moose.

[webs]

Very nice calculated and executed shot Shawn C.Good Shooting!That was some serious Kentucky hold over.

[Shawn C]

Webs,

I direct dial eveything into the scope and hold dead on. The trick is of course knowing how much to dial. Despite my back ground in long range shooting I have backed away from a number of shots because the conditions were not suitable, the distance was just too far etc. and I just didn't feel comfortable with the shot. On the deer video there was not enought shooting light left to close the gap by going around and I felt very comfortable with the shot. I will have some more clips up on my website very soon Defensive Edge Custom Gunsmithing when I release my long range video.

[ShawnF]

I am thinking of purchasing a setup from gunwerks, they make the rifles seen on the best of the west hunting show. They claim to make a bullet/rifle/scope combo that will get the job done. was wondering if anyone has used/heard of these rifles?

The Best of the West Productions, LLC - Home
http://www.gunwerks.com/

[wirehunt]

Nice shot, just starting to get into this wee bit farther shooting as we had a training weekend not long ago involving a european sniper trainer. Very cool thing smacking X rings with standard hunting rifles and ammo out at 700-1000 yards.

A.H Personally after guiding bow hunters I think they should be band, but there you go, that's my opinion.

[Farmer]

Hopefully checked it out through his 180x binos to confirm his target

[Broken Arrow]

Don’t aim to ruffle any feathers but;
What happened to good old fashion stealth?
Military Snipping is one thing and hunting is another. Critters don’t shoot back. You can bet that our Armed Forces will get as close as they can to the target. We must remember that their targets shoot back, critters don’t.
Maintain control and keep hunting as it was meant to be.
Besides, that is an awful long way to haul out a carcass. Or did they just leave it?

[AKHunter]

Broken Arrow: see post #34.

[Broken Arrow]

10/4 on #34

Often the damage is done before and explanation is offered. There are certainly responsible folks like Shawn C. out in the Deer woods and I fully respect his ability as a professional. I did not want the not so responsible folks to be influenced by the video to get out in the woods and fields and start popping caps at whatever distance. It just concerns me that we sometimes loose touch with the difference in defense and hunting.

Thanks