110gr sp in .308

[jaeger]

Going in the other direction from my 375 H&H post. I just loaded up some 110gr speer sp for my .308 enfield, and they have been the best yet. (for that gun). My question is I never used anything less than a 150gr for deer. how would a 110gr fare against deer. (and I mean white-tail, not moose, bear, elk.)"Ill use that new 375 for them.

[jerry]

I think 110 would be a bit light. I'd stick with the 150's Good for varmits though.

[neophyte]

jaeger: Sir; I don't have a clue. Sir; how fast are you moving the bullet.
At range what kind of stability.
It does sound good for a coyote @500+yds

[jaeger]

That is what I was thinking but when I just looked at some ballistics. A 110 in .308 has about the same velocity as a .243 with a 90gr and carries about 250lb more energy.

Neophyte. 110gr speer sp. 49grs win 760 cci primer and federal brass. Chrono. muzzle 3188fps. energy ???

[Moss500Bantam]

I load my 110 grain 308 with reduced loads for plinking approx 1600 fps

[Bravo]

The 110gr would be great for coyote and the like, but I wouldn't use it on deer unless I had nothing else available. 150gr bullets are just so much better on deer hide and bone.

Note that the .243 has killed plenty of deer, but it is considered the industry low. I would only use one if I had nothing else, and if you're shooting .30cal bullets, a 150 grain would suit you much better, especially for deer hunting.

[jaeger]

Well I have plenty of 165gr and 150's for my .308. Just thought I would ask because my enfield has been finickey with ammo and it just loves the light rounds and I would like to take a deer with that rifle.

[samuel]

A 110gr .308 bullet is a very thin jacketed bullet ment for very thin skinned animals with light bones.If you try a body shot on a deer size animal and hit a rib they will splatter all over the near side and the deer will run like he** and probably die from infection 3 weeks later.Actually you dont even have to hit a bone.I saw one splatter on a speed goats neck once.I killed the antelope with a 140gr in a .270.Varmint bullets are for varmints,deer bullets are for deer. sam.

[neophyte]

jaeger: Sir; maybe this will help. I did a basic 110grn 3000fps =2100fpd @muzzle.
Kinda sucked. My first thought was harder impact.

biggameinfo.com

Try this place out. The table is easy and it does the calculation.

Follow up; you got me interested. Thanks

[LakerDad]

Good point samuel, [I was going to state that a lot of .223 / 55 grain bullets take deer here in Missouri] I would also think the lighter bullets would cause more meat damage with the higher velocities. I had reloads in 125 grain bullets for ground hogs back in the 70's for my .30-06. I guess shot placement still is big factor as always!

[leroy]

idk for sure but i would think they wood work fine. i have a 270 that really likes 100 grain hornadys. iv killed several deer with it. its alot bout shot placement just mostly avoid the thick shoulders an i think youl do fine

[jaeger]

I think I will try my High Tech Ballistic test Wed. (shoot a 4x4 piece of wood with an old flack jacket behind it and go pick out the slug. Gives a good idea on expansion and retained weight.

[lefty o]

110gr 30 cal bullets are varmint bullets, poor choice for deer.

[Big Tool]

Originally Posted by lefty o

110gr 30 cal bullets are varmint bullets, poor choice for deer.

Would a 110gr 30cal bullet be any worse than a 80-100gr bullet in a 243. Unless i'm missing a major principal here than if his gun likes the lighter bullets and that is what the OP is a better shot then i say definitely go with a 110.

I don't know jack about reloading, but i have seen many a deer killed cleanly with 22-250's, 80gr 243, etc. Surprisingly i've seen the most deer this past year run of after being shot with 270wsm. My Brother in Law shot a spike, I mean 3 point Deer weighed about 100lbs, and the thing ran over a 100yards. He made a good clean shot right behind the front shoulder, but damage was minimal. Bullet never even expanded all the way. This happened to several guys hunting with us this year using the wsm. My BIL was using the winchester elite "expensive stuff"


Whitetail have thin skin and i would rather have a bullet with rapid expansion. Even once expanded the bullet should still have enough energy to make a exit.

[lefty o]

you are missing something, the 80-100gr .243 bullets are designed for big game. the 110gr 30 cals are thin jacketed varmint bullets that will not reliably penetrate bone. there is alot more to consider than just bullet weight.

as another note, the "expensive" stuff for the 270WSM is designed for animals heavier than whitetail, so unless your lucky you may not get much or any expansion from the bullet. proper bullet, put in the proper place , my 270WSM has killed 6 deer so far and not one has traveled more than 20yds.

[leroy]

iv seen alot of 223s adn 22-250s kill deer an they were shooting 55 gr soft points alot of people call them varmite bullets. very few of the deer iv seen wer dead farther than 30 yards of where they were shot. idk just my 2 cents worth

[aht_six]

Originally Posted by leroy

iv seen alot of 223s adn 22-250s kill deer an they were shooting 55 gr soft points alot of people call them varmite bullets. very few of the deer iv seen wer dead within 30 yards of where they were shot same. idk just my 2 cents worth

I've never seen a deer killed with a .22 but I would agree with you that deer shot with smaller calibers often travel farther before they die.

55 grain .22 soft points are varmint bullets. I use them by the 1000's and they typically fragment on a 2 lb prairie dog.

[MOD 70]

Originally Posted by lefty o

110gr 30 cal bullets are varmint bullets, poor choice for deer.

What could you possibly gain by using that small of bullet in this caliber besides increased velocity and a little shock. All other aspects of penetration and killing power will go to sh*t. You could expect a large entrance wound (superficial)and probably no exit wound,.I`m glad you asked before doing it because the outcome would almost certainly be negative. It may work ok once, maybe even twice with good placement, but then it might be "wholey crap! What have I done!" Those bullets were never intended for use on deer and the 130`s are in the same class. 150-180grn is a far better choice. If you want that kind of velocity move to a bigger case with the bigger bullets. Good question, now you know.

[lefty o]

like i said, 110's are varmint bullets!

[jaeger]

110's in 30 cal are thin jacketed bullets..... I will have to disagree. I cut a 110 and a 165 in half and the 110's are exactly the same jacket thickness. I shot the 110's into some old pressure treated 4x4s and they passed right through. I only recovered 2 of the slugs and they just shroomed out to about the size of a quarter. I think I will buy a block of ballistic jelly and see if I can get some slow mo shots into it. I am not trying to go hunting with the bare minimum, just genuinely curious. I asked some questions about .308 for black bear, and everyone told me to stay away from nosler ballistic tips, because they explode. I used a NBT to take a bear in December and it dropped like a rock with a devastating wound channel and pass through. Thanks for all the suggestions. I will keep you posted on the video once my gelatin block comes in.