Best Elk cartridge - Page 5

mtm1 · 04-25-2008, 02:17 PM

Phil, good to see someone other than me try to explain why big guns work better. Seems to be a lotta guys who think any bullet that puts a hole in an animal is the one to use. I'm stayin outa this.

Phil Lozano · 04-25-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mtm1

Seems to be a lotta guys who think any bullet that puts a hole in an animal is the one to use. I'm stayin outa this.

Best,

Midas · 04-25-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mtm1

Phil, good to see someone other than me try to explain why big guns work better. Seems to be a lotta guys who think any bullet that puts a hole in an animal is the one to use. I'm stayin outa this.

Bigger bullets anchor bigger game better. That's been my philosophy for many years, and it has held true time and time again.

Kaboom · 04-25-2008, 04:56 PM

In my mind it's alot like pulling a trailer with a pickup, yes you can pull a 30 foot camper with a S-10 pickup, but why when you could do the same job with a diesel dually safer, faster, and more effective ???? There's a differance between doing something a certian way just to prove you can do it, and doing it the most effective way. just my 2 cents worth, I don't ever want to be under gunned!! I'll pack the gun that's a pound or two heavier knowing it'll get the job done

Phil Lozano · 04-25-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Midas

Bigger bullets anchor bigger game better. That's been my philosophy for many years, and it has held true time and time again.

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Originally Posted by Kaboom

In my mind it's alot like pulling a trailer with a pickup, yes you can pull a 30 foot camper with a S-10 pickup, but why when you could do the same job with a diesel dually safer, faster, and more effective ???? There's a differance between doing something a certian way just to prove you can do it, and doing it the most effective way. just my 2 cents worth, I don't ever want to be under gunned!! I'll pack the gun that's a pound or two heavier knowing it'll get the job done

Best,

Rattle'em up · 04-25-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

I dont understand this as the 7mm mag had more energy that both of these rounds.

I'm with you on this one. Maybey there should be a thread on the 30-06 vs the 7mm remington mag for elk.

Shuak · 04-25-2008, 07:00 PM

IMO the more expansion you get from your round the better. Barnes triple shock solid copper bullets expand in an x pattern and to not come apart when it hits the animal so the mass of the bullet is carried through causing more damage from the bullet itself and also from hydrostatic shock. Federal loads Triple shock as does some other brands that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Rattle'em up · 04-25-2008, 07:07 PM

Most people I know dont like the recoil of a magnum. A 338mag with 30lbs of recoil is alot for most people besides it's unpleasant to shoot at the range. Unless a muzzle brake is added and then you got yourself one heck of a shooter. personally I would take a 300winmag and a 200grn bullet instead of the 338, but the 30-06 and 308 compliment each other and I will stick with them. With those two calibers I figure there's nothing that's gettin away, at least the animals I hunt that is.

Phil Lozano · 04-25-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shuak

IMO the more expansion you get from your round the better. Barnes triple shock solid copper bullets expand in an x pattern and to not come apart when it hits the animal so the mass of the bullet is carried through causing more damage from the bullet itself and also from hydrostatic shock. Federal loads Triple shock as does some other brands that I can't think of off the top of my head.

It is Federal that loads the TSX's.

And regarding your comment on Barnes bullets . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Bull !

As I have posted here on another topic, I have photos of some catastrophic failures from Barnes bullets over on my site.

Some of the Barnes work, and some don't. The ones that work work OK and the ones that don't, fail totally and completely.

Best,

Magnumsrule · 04-26-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rattle'em up

I'm with you on this one. Maybey there should be a thread on the 30-06 vs the 7mm remington mag for elk.

NO! HAHAA you would not believe the kind of rats nets that would be turning up. Plus it would be the whole 243. 25-06 argument pretty well all over again. The 7mm mag is better though lol.

mtm1 · 04-26-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Midas

Bigger bullets anchor bigger game better. That's been my philosophy for many years, and it has held true time and time again.

Holy Moly, there could be hope. Maybe we can get along.

Sooner Shooter · 04-29-2008, 08:15 PM

Although we don't have many elk here in Oklahoma I remember once upon a time the little 243 was a legal cartridge for elk. Not any more and it's been many years since it's been legal. At 50 yards or less I have no doubt it would do the job with a good hit. The problem is when you start reaching out it would just be too weak.

mtm1 · 04-30-2008, 02:32 PM

Sorry but the 243 is for crows.

Sooner Shooter · 04-30-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mtm1

Sorry but the 243 is for crows.

Sorry, but the cannons you're so infatuated with are over kill here in the lower US. The 30/06 will do all that's needed here for elk and it all goes back to shot placement.

FISHPOND · 04-30-2008, 10:04 PM

Ah, yes caliber loyalty again. The 7mm mag is a great gun and puts the bullet out there with less drop, however I own the 30/06. What can I say I am a sucker for the oldies... Plus it kills every-thing I shot at, including elk.

Magnumsrule · 04-30-2008, 11:56 PM

I like the 7mm mag. It is my favourite round at the present time. However i would like to get to know the 338 rum better in the future.

mtm1 · 05-01-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooner Shooter

Sorry, but the cannons you're so infatuated with are over kill here in the lower US. The 30/06 will do all that's needed here for elk and it all goes back to shot placement.

With good shot placement the 06 is fine for Elk, with 200 Gr. bullets I'd take it over the 7MM Mag. 243... not so much.

Sooner Shooter · 05-01-2008, 09:40 AM

I'll buy that mtl. I'm glad the 243 is not legal.

Daniel O'Connel · 05-08-2008, 11:12 PM

Go with whatever you are comforable with. Elk are large animals and 1500 ft lbs is about the minimum to stone a good bull. Check your ballistics and when your choice of caliber drops below 1500 ft lbs, You Are Out Of Range. Unless you want to test your tracking skills. I carry an 8mm magnum with 200 grain bullets.

04-29-2008, 08:15 PM	#92
Sooner Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 614	Although we don't have many elk here in Oklahoma I remember once upon a time the little 243 was a legal cartridge for elk. Not any more and it's been many years since it's been legal. At 50 yards or less I have no doubt it would do the job with a good hit. The problem is when you start reaching out it would just be too weak. __________________ Save the drama for your mama!

04-30-2008, 02:32 PM	#93
mtm1 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 85	Best Elk Round Sorry but the 243 is for crows.

04-30-2008, 11:56 PM	#96
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 593 Blog Entries: 2	I like the 7mm mag. It is my favourite round at the present time. However i would like to get to know the 338 rum better in the future. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

05-01-2008, 09:40 AM	#98
Sooner Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 614	I'll buy that mtl. I'm glad the 243 is not legal. __________________ Save the drama for your mama!

04-25-2008, 02:17 PM	#81
mtm1 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 85	Phil, good to see someone other than me try to explain why big guns work better. Seems to be a lotta guys who think any bullet that puts a hole in an animal is the one to use. I'm stayin outa this.

04-25-2008, 04:56 PM	#84
Kaboom Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cental Iowa Posts: 26	In my mind it's alot like pulling a trailer with a pickup, yes you can pull a 30 foot camper with a S-10 pickup, but why when you could do the same job with a diesel dually safer, faster, and more effective ???? There's a differance between doing something a certian way just to prove you can do it, and doing it the most effective way. just my 2 cents worth, I don't ever want to be under gunned!! I'll pack the gun that's a pound or two heavier knowing it'll get the job done

04-25-2008, 07:00 PM	#87
Shuak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: ctrl,alt,del Posts: 183	IMO the more expansion you get from your round the better. Barnes triple shock solid copper bullets expand in an x pattern and to not come apart when it hits the animal so the mass of the bullet is carried through causing more damage from the bullet itself and also from hydrostatic shock. Federal loads Triple shock as does some other brands that I can't think of off the top of my head.

04-25-2008, 07:07 PM	#88
Rattle'em up Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Austin,Texas Posts: 103	Most people I know dont like the recoil of a magnum. A 338mag with 30lbs of recoil is alot for most people besides it's unpleasant to shoot at the range. Unless a muzzle brake is added and then you got yourself one heck of a shooter. personally I would take a 300winmag and a 200grn bullet instead of the 338, but the 30-06 and 308 compliment each other and I will stick with them. With those two calibers I figure there's nothing that's gettin away, at least the animals I hunt that is.

04-30-2008, 10:04 PM	#95
FISHPOND Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 96	Ah, yes caliber loyalty again. The 7mm mag is a great gun and puts the bullet out there with less drop, however I own the 30/06. What can I say I am a sucker for the oldies... Plus it kills every-thing I shot at, including elk.

05-08-2008, 11:12 PM	#99
Daniel O'Connel Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2	Go with whatever you are comforable with. Elk are large animals and 1500 ft lbs is about the minimum to stone a good bull. Check your ballistics and when your choice of caliber drops below 1500 ft lbs, You Are Out Of Range. Unless you want to test your tracking skills. I carry an 8mm magnum with 200 grain bullets.