.300 RUM for Grizzlies - Page 2

nathangdad · 03-10-2008, 04:27 PM

Couldn't agree more with your statement about recoil.
You are really on target. In my opinion a .375 H&H
(to choose an example) recoils A LOT more than a
.30-06. It is my pet peeve with gun
magazine writers that they supposedly just blast away
with whatever yet somehow recoil, not to mention
pictures of bruised shoulders, seems to evade their
articles.

I realize this is venturing a little off the path of the original
post but I could not pass up the chance to congratulate
such a right on post. Keep it up Samuel.

nomad4me · 03-10-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

As i think i also said the 338 RUM is also a good choice for those sticklers that want bigger guns. I think i have seen several threads that support the ol 06 for grizz. The 300 rum is still in my opinion an excellent choice as it has about the same energy and even though you wouldnt want to take long shots, you still have that option as with a good scope and a steady hands i would not be suprised to see some long shots made. I was watching a hunting show the other day and with premium scopes and a real good gun a guy took a grizz at 700 yards with a 7mm stw or 7mm rum( i cant remember witch) with berger bullets. This was off of a bipod. It can be done and the bear did not go far before collapsing. Did i mention he does this twice?

I agree with you 100% I have seen numerous shots made with the 300 RUM
from bear to cape buffalo. One shot one kill....It dropped everyone of them in there tracks...My uncle is a guide in Alaska and he said the 300RUM will drop anything he intends killing...Is it the gun caliber that we are not sure about on the one shooting it?

Midas · 03-10-2008, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomad4me

I agree with you 100% I have seen numerous shots made with the 300 RUM
from bear to cape buffalo. One shot one kill....It dropped everyone of them in there tracks...My uncle is a guide in Alaska and he said the 300RUM will drop anything he intends killing...Is it the gun caliber that we are not sure about on the one shooting it?

The .300 RUM isn't legal for cape buffalo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

As i think i also said the 338 RUM is also a good choice for those sticklers that want bigger guns. I think i have seen several threads that support the ol 06 for grizz. The 300 rum is still in my opinion an excellent choice as it has about the same energy and even though you wouldnt want to take long shots, you still have that option as with a good scope and a steady hands i would not be suprised to see some long shots made. I was watching a hunting show the other day and with premium scopes and a real good gun a guy took a grizz at 700 yards with a 7mm stw or 7mm rum( i cant remember witch) with berger bullets. This was off of a bipod. It can be done and the bear did not go far before collapsing. Did i mention he does this twice?

He was hunting bear with Berger bullets? You do know that Berger bullets aren't designed for hunting, right? And on top of that, shooting a bear at 700 yards is for pure bragging rights. I would be more impressed if he killed it at 250 yards with the right bullet for the job.

Brother Bob · 03-10-2008, 07:47 PM

A .30 caliber is minimum for bears. I don't care how flat it shoots or how fast the bullet travels. A .30-06 will go plumb through a bear. These uber-mags will only travel faster through a bear. You want a large wound channel created by a .338 or larger. Going grizzly hunting with a .30-06 is pushing the threshold of foolishness. Sure, it can be done, but why chance it. There's a large brown bear, stuffed, standing erect, and in a glass enclosure at the Sportsmans Warehouse in Memphis. It took 6, .340 Weatherby's to bring him down! He's 10 ft.,6 inches tall and weighed between 1,500-1,800 pounds. I'll take my .375 H&H to hunt the big ones.

AKHunter · 03-10-2008, 07:55 PM

Killer: he shot the bear through the chest each time(4),(.300wm, winchester factory ammo, 220grn silvertip) never boke any bones except maybe a rib or two. Any dangerous game animal is one I advocate breaking bones on in the event it does not go down quickly. It lends time for the shooter to place more bullets and inflict more damage upon the animal in that event.

Magnumsrule:your example is an exception to the rule and one I never advocate unless you are a marksman well practiced and skilled in the art of long range shooting such as ShaunC posted with the video of the 950yard shot on the deer. Remember he is a national champion and sniper.

I dont view (most) hyper-velocity rounds as practical hunting rounds. I believe they are better suited to the target range and competition, LE and combat situations i.e snipers.

An animal shot with a 7mm RUM, isnt going to be anymore dead than an animal shot with a 7mm-08 if the shooter did everything correctly.

MOD 70 · 03-10-2008, 08:08 PM

I don`t have a 300RUM,but I do have a300 Wea. Either would do,but I`d definetly choose my .375 H@H over them for big bears.

vikingpreacher · 03-10-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKHunter

An animal shot with a 7mm RUM, isnt going to be anymore dead than an animal shot with a 7mm-08 if the shooter did everything correctly.

Amen, I believe in the teachings of Wayne Van Zwoll (Gun writer) who believes as I do that if you make a well placed shot on a Griz' with a .30-06 or 7mm rem mag your guide will like you better than the guy yesterday who made a gut shot with .375 ruger and ended up chasing it because he couldn't make a good shot with a rifle with so much recoil. Now, if you are man enough to make good shot with a .375, do it, but for me and the rest of us of who would rather use a lighter cartridge and not deal with the recoil, the .30-06, 7mm rem mag, and .338 Federal will work just fine. I saw a guy on another forum who used a .308 for grizzlies, and that is insanity (Due to the lower velocity and bullet weight).

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathangdad

Couldn't agree more with your statement about recoil.
You are really on target. In my opinion a .375 H&H
(to choose an example) recoils A LOT more than a
.30-06. It is my pet peeve with gun
magazine writers that they supposedly just blast away
with whatever yet somehow recoil, not to mention
pictures of bruised shoulders, seems to evade their
articles.

Another amen.

HAWKEYE50 · 03-10-2008, 09:52 PM

I just traded a 300RUM SENDERO heavybarreled rifle. I loved the caliber and was impressed with the accuracy. However, I think I would strongly consider AKHUNTER's sugestion on caliber. When REMINGTON came out with the rum series in 98-99, they tested the 300 on griz and reported one shot kills at I think 200-300yds. I would try it if I already had one, but considering that AKHUNTER lives in Alaska, I might weigh his opinion with a little more credibility. Also consider that the 30-06 has probably taken more bear than any other caliber just by default. If I didn't already have the firearm, I would aquire the larger caliber.

MOD 70 · 03-10-2008, 10:13 PM

If you can`t shoot them or aren`t comfortable with big guns,then smaller guns are your only choice. You can`t blame poor shooting on recoil. The blame lies on the shooter for using a gun that he or she has not developed the skills necessary to control the additional recoil and gun weight. This takes practice. It seems to me that most people who bash big guns have no experience with them and should not bash them if they`ve never made an attempt to master them.

HAWKEYE50 · 03-10-2008, 11:07 PM

To Mod 70, I was very glad I ordered my 700 with the heavy barrel in the 300RUM. I have shot two boxes in the prone position, with no pain after or the next day. Also, REMINGTON's newer butt pad has helped percieved recoil. My 870SPS also has the same pad and it is pretty comfy to shoot. I'm not a big guy, the weight helped.

MOD 70 · 03-10-2008, 11:42 PM

Nice gun! I`ve heard the new pads are great. I shoot my Model 70 300 Wea. prone with no worries but a nice pad like yours would be pretty sweet. I hope they do it to the new Model 70s as well. Sounds like it`s going to work for you. Good luck with the new rifle,sounds like a winner!

samuel · 03-11-2008, 08:26 AM

Using the hyper velocity STW,RUM and such one thing must be considered.With their higher velocities,what is considered a controlled expansion hunting bullet for a .30-06/.300win mag,turns into a varmint class bullet in the hypre velocitys at short to intermediate ranges.I hate bullet failure. sam.

MOD 70 · 03-11-2008, 09:01 AM

Agreed,but the TSX style bullets have made this almost a non-issue.

turner · 03-11-2008, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingpreacher

There seems to be alot of opposition to using the .300 RUM for anything bigger/tougher/more dangerous than an Elk but, when I look at the ballistics and bullet weight I would say I would use it for Grizzly/Brown bear. To be frank, even though many of us wouldn't do it plenty of Grizzly/Brown Bears have been taken with a .30-06 and many more will; so even with all the opposition there seems to be to this, would you go Grizzly/Brown bear hunting with a .300 RUM?

Personally, My caliber(s) of choice would start no smaller than .338 using a 225 or 250gr premium bullet such as a Nosler Part. Also a .35Whelen or .350Rem mag using the same weights, or more than likely my BLR in .450 Marlin using a pointed 350, or 400gr Barnes "X" bullet or maybe a Hornady 350gr RN interlock would likely be my choice and the shot would taken at under 200yds. (yup, I do tend to lean towards old Elmer's views...lol)

CroMagnum · 03-13-2008, 03:22 PM

IMO, you should shoot the biggest rifle that you are comfortable shooting, if it's the 300 RUM then have at it. I've found that the 375 H&H is about as big a rifle that I can handle. Well built bullets and proper shot placment are the keys to putting a big bear on the ground.

Purdy · 03-13-2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midas

The .300 RUM isn't legal for cape buffalo.

He was hunting bear with Berger bullets? You do know that Berger bullets aren't designed for hunting, right? And on top of that, shooting a bear at 700 yards is for pure bragging rights. I would be more impressed if he killed it at 250 yards with the right bullet for the job.

I'd be more impressed if he shot it at 25 yds. with the right bullet

Magnumsrule · 03-14-2008, 07:47 PM

Berger calims that their bullets can be used for hunting as well as target shooting. I dunno it just what i saw. I mean one two shots two bears, what else can be said besides what a good shot.

Midas · 03-14-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy

I'd be more impressed if he shot it at 25 yds. with the right bullet

25 yards? why that's just ridiculous! all animals are taken at distances of over 500 yards, just look at the videos on youtube, you arn't a hunter unless you can kill bambi at 1000 yards! I guess us amateurs will have to stick with 200 yard shots and under

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

Berger calims that their bullets can be used for hunting as well as target shooting. I dunno it just what i saw. I mean one two shots two bears, what else can be said besides what a good shot.

Yes, and these men were probably trained professionals, who could've done it with just about any modern rifle in an adequate cartridge. I don't think they put that in the disclaimer, though

Magnumsrule · 03-14-2008, 07:56 PM

Ya most likely. Though having the 7mm with the good bc also helps. I think the scopes they where using where $$$$ Get them sited in good and you can do it with almost anything that still has killing power at that range

samuel · 03-14-2008, 08:18 PM

I have always hunted knowing what the firearm I was carrying was capable of and not pushing beyond what it would do.It made no difference whether it was shotgun,handgun,or long range rifle. That was called hunting.Not target practice. sam.

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03-10-2008, 04:27 PM	#21
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,438	Bravo Samuel Couldn't agree more with your statement about recoil. You are really on target. In my opinion a .375 H&H (to choose an example) recoils A LOT more than a .30-06. It is my pet peeve with gun magazine writers that they supposedly just blast away with whatever yet somehow recoil, not to mention pictures of bruised shoulders, seems to evade their articles. I realize this is venturing a little off the path of the original post but I could not pass up the chance to congratulate such a right on post. Keep it up Samuel. Last edited by nathangdad; 03-10-2008 at 04:29 PM. Reason: addition

03-10-2008, 08:08 PM	#26
MOD 70 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 162	I don`t have a 300RUM,but I do have a300 Wea. Either would do,but I`d definetly choose my .375 H@H over them for big bears. __________________ If God didn`t intend for man to eat animals he wouldn`t have made them out of meat

03-10-2008, 10:13 PM	#29
MOD 70 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 162	If you can`t shoot them or aren`t comfortable with big guns,then smaller guns are your only choice. You can`t blame poor shooting on recoil. The blame lies on the shooter for using a gun that he or she has not developed the skills necessary to control the additional recoil and gun weight. This takes practice. It seems to me that most people who bash big guns have no experience with them and should not bash them if they`ve never made an attempt to master them. __________________ If God didn`t intend for man to eat animals he wouldn`t have made them out of meat

03-10-2008, 11:42 PM	#31
MOD 70 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 162	Nice gun! I`ve heard the new pads are great. I shoot my Model 70 300 Wea. prone with no worries but a nice pad like yours would be pretty sweet. I hope they do it to the new Model 70s as well. Sounds like it`s going to work for you. Good luck with the new rifle,sounds like a winner! __________________ If God didn`t intend for man to eat animals he wouldn`t have made them out of meat

03-10-2008, 07:47 PM	#24
Brother Bob The Mayor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Olive Branch, MS. Posts: 2,670 Blog Entries: 3	A .30 caliber is minimum for bears. I don't care how flat it shoots or how fast the bullet travels. A .30-06 will go plumb through a bear. These uber-mags will only travel faster through a bear. You want a large wound channel created by a .338 or larger. Going grizzly hunting with a .30-06 is pushing the threshold of foolishness. Sure, it can be done, but why chance it. There's a large brown bear, stuffed, standing erect, and in a glass enclosure at the Sportsmans Warehouse in Memphis. It took 6, .340 Weatherby's to bring him down! He's 10 ft.,6 inches tall and weighed between 1,500-1,800 pounds. I'll take my .375 H&H to hunt the big ones.

03-10-2008, 07:55 PM	#25
AKHunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 899	Killer: he shot the bear through the chest each time(4),(.300wm, winchester factory ammo, 220grn silvertip) never boke any bones except maybe a rib or two. Any dangerous game animal is one I advocate breaking bones on in the event it does not go down quickly. It lends time for the shooter to place more bullets and inflict more damage upon the animal in that event. Magnumsrule:your example is an exception to the rule and one I never advocate unless you are a marksman well practiced and skilled in the art of long range shooting such as ShaunC posted with the video of the 950yard shot on the deer. Remember he is a national champion and sniper. I dont view (most) hyper-velocity rounds as practical hunting rounds. I believe they are better suited to the target range and competition, LE and combat situations i.e snipers. An animal shot with a 7mm RUM, isnt going to be anymore dead than an animal shot with a 7mm-08 if the shooter did everything correctly.

03-10-2008, 09:52 PM	#28
HAWKEYE50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: HOLLY MI Posts: 166 Blog Entries: 20	I just traded a 300RUM SENDERO heavybarreled rifle. I loved the caliber and was impressed with the accuracy. However, I think I would strongly consider AKHUNTER's sugestion on caliber. When REMINGTON came out with the rum series in 98-99, they tested the 300 on griz and reported one shot kills at I think 200-300yds. I would try it if I already had one, but considering that AKHUNTER lives in Alaska, I might weigh his opinion with a little more credibility. Also consider that the 30-06 has probably taken more bear than any other caliber just by default. If I didn't already have the firearm, I would aquire the larger caliber.

03-10-2008, 11:07 PM	#30
HAWKEYE50 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: HOLLY MI Posts: 166 Blog Entries: 20	To Mod 70, I was very glad I ordered my 700 with the heavy barrel in the 300RUM. I have shot two boxes in the prone position, with no pain after or the next day. Also, REMINGTON's newer butt pad has helped percieved recoil. My 870SPS also has the same pad and it is pretty comfy to shoot. I'm not a big guy, the weight helped.

03-11-2008, 08:26 AM	#32
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	Using the hyper velocity STW,RUM and such one thing must be considered.With their higher velocities,what is considered a controlled expansion hunting bullet for a .30-06/.300win mag,turns into a varmint class bullet in the hypre velocitys at short to intermediate ranges.I hate bullet failure. sam.

03-11-2008, 09:01 AM	#33
MOD 70 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 162	Agreed,but the TSX style bullets have made this almost a non-issue. __________________ If God didn`t intend for man to eat animals he wouldn`t have made them out of meat

03-13-2008, 03:22 PM	#35
CroMagnum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 77	IMO, you should shoot the biggest rifle that you are comfortable shooting, if it's the 300 RUM then have at it. I've found that the 375 H&H is about as big a rifle that I can handle. Well built bullets and proper shot placment are the keys to putting a big bear on the ground.

03-14-2008, 07:47 PM	#37
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	Berger calims that their bullets can be used for hunting as well as target shooting. I dunno it just what i saw. I mean one two shots two bears, what else can be said besides what a good shot. __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-14-2008, 07:56 PM	#39
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	Ya most likely. Though having the 7mm with the good bc also helps. I think the scopes they where using where $$$$ Get them sited in good and you can do it with almost anything that still has killing power at that range __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

03-14-2008, 08:18 PM	#40
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	I have always hunted knowing what the firearm I was carrying was capable of and not pushing beyond what it would do.It made no difference whether it was shotgun,handgun,or long range rifle. That was called hunting.Not target practice. sam.