9.3x74R Safari Power Without Killer Kick - Page 2

Onesonek · 03-27-2008, 01:58 PM

Agreed AKHunter, there is always a ? of practicality, give me a 30-06 and a 375H&H, and I would need no more for biggame, all but the most dagerous African. I still think componets is a non-issue for now atleast for the 9.3x74R, although who knows what may happen 5-10 years or more from now.
Recoil can be an issue for some, without a doubt. One part me wants to say when it comes up,,,it's like money,,,,if you have to ask, then it's probably too much. On the other hand,,,recoil is inevitable, learn to deal with it in practice,,,,, in the field, you'll never feel it. But if recoil of a heavy hitter bothers you that you can't shoot it accurately, you'll be far better off with a lesser caliber that you can.

And yes turner, the 62 is more bolt friendly, as is the more powerful 9.3x64. But the 64 case is tough to find and very pricey when it is available.

Dave

turner · 03-27-2008, 02:12 PM

Dave, Thanks...I thought that might be the case. I've been impressed with the numbers for both the 9.3x74 and 9.3x62, but that 9.3x64 is a BIG BOY! From all I've read, the .35 can be loaded closely enough to the two lighter 9.3s to make the purchase of one of them not for me, although that Ruger #1 would be a very nice platform. Should we discuss the merits of a #1 in .405 Winchester now?....lol, sorry, couldn't resist.

rfc357 · 03-27-2008, 03:57 PM

A #1 in .405 would be a terrific elk rifle.

mtm1 · 03-27-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

A #1 in .405 would be a terrific elk rifle.

So was my #1 ,416 Rigby but we'r talking about the 9.3x74 here. Safari, I don't think so but in a #1 loaded to more modern standards it should be totally fine for AN game. The 9.3 x 62 is quite highly thought of by a lot of very respectable people, if you can equal that with the 74 you should be good. As said before keep the range reasonable. I'd just take my 375 or 338 or 416...

Onesonek · 03-27-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by turner

Dave, Thanks...I thought that might be the case. I've been impressed with the numbers for both the 9.3x74 and 9.3x62, but that 9.3x64 is a BIG BOY! From all I've read, the .35 can be loaded closely enough to the two lighter 9.3s to make the purchase of one of them not for me, although that Ruger #1 would be a very nice platform. Should we discuss the merits of a #1 in .405 Winchester now?....lol, sorry, couldn't resist.

LOL,,,,
I wouldn't mind a .405 myself, it has a lot of potential for the #1 or the Encore, but bullet selection is sparse. If Barnes had more than just a 300 gr and or Nosler had a 350-400gr. offering, I would have one already

Dave

turner · 03-27-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Onesonek

LOL,,,,
I wouldn't mind a .405 myself, it has a lot of potential for the #1 or the Encore, but bullet selection is sparse. If Barnes had more than just a 300 gr and or Nosler had a 350-400gr. offering, I would have one already

Dave

When/IF, they make the #1 in .450, I'll no longer be able to contain myself! All those bullets for the .458 WM (for reloading) and being able to use $31 a box LE ammo for smaller stuff...up to elk. I LOVE IT!!!

Onesonek · 03-27-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by turner

When/IF, they make the #1 in .450, I'll no longer be able to contain myself! All those bullets for the .458 WM (for reloading) and being able to use $31 a box LE ammo for smaller stuff...up to elk. I LOVE IT!!!

There's always the custom option

turner · 03-27-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Onesonek

There's always the custom option

Just blew the cobwebs out of an...empty wallet!!

Onesonek · 03-27-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by turner

Just blew the cobwebs out of an...empty wallet!!

Just dig out all those moldy Franklins out of the cookie jar on top of the fridge

vikingpreacher · 03-28-2008, 08:32 AM

Honestly guys I doubt I'll ever make it to Africa so it doesn't matter but this load by Hornady is designed to do 2 things, A. Work in old rifles as well as new B. Penetrate through anything. And I do quote Steve Hornady on this cartridge,"...virtually any hunting situation you can think of, any game.", this cartridge is being offered in their Dangerous Game Big Five series for that purpose. Now, you might say I need more ft. lbs. of energy or a flatter trajectory but, Grizzly Bears, Cape Buffalo, and other Dangerous game don't read ballistics charts, right? And no this cartridge is no light kicker but for it's suitable applications it is pretty light.

rfc357 · 03-28-2008, 10:48 AM

vikingpreacher, are you still talking about the 9.3x74? Any hunting situation, any game? As long as you limit it to beasties that don't bite back, OK. It ain't no elephant rifle. It ain't even no .338 Win Mag. Sure, the bullet is bigger. And I do maintain bigger bullets are better for bigger animals. But you don't get big game (in the African sense) performance without big game energy and recoil. There is no magic medium cartridge. The 9.3x74 is not even legal for dangerous game where caliber restrictions exist.

If you want one, go ahead and buy one. Just don't expect an elephant gun with the kick of a deer rifle. There is a reason professional hunters carry what they do. They want to become old, retired professional hunters.

And yes, I know you can kill an elephant with a 7x57 if you are sniping. But try it when the beastie is coming at you full of adrenaline and ill will. Even Karamojo Bell had two big doubles to back up his popgun.

Onesonek · 03-28-2008, 11:14 AM

Well I do know one thing, I won't spend 87 bucks for 20 rounds from Hornady. Not when I can load them for way way, waaaaaay less.
Dave

vikingpreacher · 03-28-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

vikingpreacher, are you still talking about the 9.3x74? Any hunting situation, any game?...

I'm quoting Steve Hornady when I say that.

rfc357 · 03-28-2008, 01:16 PM

I guess I'd like to read the comment in context. Still seems more like an elk round to me.........

Onesonek · 03-28-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

I guess I'd like to read the comment in context. Still seems more like an elk round to me.........

In one sense you are probly right, on the elk part. But as a "safari" round, I wouldn't hesitate using it on all of Africa's game except 3 of the "Big 5". But then again, I do believe there are caliber restrictions in place for those critters in most places. It'll certainly take care of Lions, and I think it would do well enough on Hippo's, with all likelyhood kill the rest with the right bullet and placement,,,,but.
It's not a stopping round by any means.
Then again,,,,, if you compare it to the .375H&H, it is about 90-95% of that round's capability. It'll do pretty much anything the .375H&H will do, minus a few yards, and a few ft/lbs of recoil.
I had mine built with elk and brown bear in mind. Originally with the 250 gr NBT for Elk, and 286 gr. NP for big Bears. Now Nosler makes a 250 Accubond,,,,all the better. In my rifle, with my 250gr. load, it's trajectories are comparable to that of the .308 win. with a 180 gr.
For the most part, and depending How I set up the point blank range on the scope, I really don't need to take the reticle off an Elk sized critter out beyond where I care to shoot at game anyhow. And,,,,I still have more energy than the .308 Win 180 gr. does at the muzzle.
It's just a neat old round

Dave

billy · 03-28-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Midas

I always thought true "safari power" started at about 5,000 ft lbs of energy, with at least a .416 diameter bullet.

you have been pushing and name calling so is what you are trying to tell me midas is that i really DO need a 416 rigby for paper punching?

samuel · 03-28-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by billy

you have been pushing and name calling so is what you are trying to tell me midas is that i really DO need a 416 rigby for paper punching?

If you got one you could use the name:Billy416,454,45. sam.

Midas · 03-28-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by billy

you have been pushing and name calling so is what you are trying to tell me midas is that i really DO need a 416 rigby for paper punching?

Just take it as a not-so-subtle hint

rfc357 · 03-28-2008, 05:58 PM

Billy, you might need that .416! There is some pretty tough paper out there. One gomer showed up at my club's public sight-in day with a .375 H&H. It was pretty clear he was terrified of the rifle. After firing his entire 20-round box of factory ammo at a 25-yard target, with no perceptible result, he said he was ready for his brown-bear hunt. Only thing I can figure is, his bullets were merely denting the paper. I hope the bears were not so tough. I asked him to make me beneficiary on his life insurance. He didn't think that was amusing. Some people have no sense of humor.

billy · 03-28-2008, 06:11 PM

the sad part is....
i really am toying with the idea and have been ever since midas called me a sissy because i only plink with a 454

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Originally Posted by rfc357

Billy, you might need that .416! There is some pretty tough paper out there. One gomer showed up at my club's public sight-in day with a .375 H&H. It was pretty clear he was terrified of the rifle. After firing his entire 20-round box of factory ammo at a 25-yard target, with no perceptible result, he said he was ready for his brown-bear hunt. Only thing I can figure is, his bullets were merely denting the paper. I hope the bears were not so tough. I asked him to make me beneficiary on his life insurance. He didn't think that was amusing. Some people have no sense of humor.

thats what i need.
to find some guy that thought he wanted a monster killing gun and then found out what recoil really is!
(i think thats what happened with my raging bull)
why else would there be 1/2 a box of unfired rounds with it?

03-28-2008, 08:32 AM	#30
vikingpreacher Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 269	Honestly guys I doubt I'll ever make it to Africa so it doesn't matter but this load by Hornady is designed to do 2 things, A. Work in old rifles as well as new B. Penetrate through anything. And I do quote Steve Hornady on this cartridge,"...virtually any hunting situation you can think of, any game.", this cartridge is being offered in their Dangerous Game Big Five series for that purpose. Now, you might say I need more ft. lbs. of energy or a flatter trajectory but, Grizzly Bears, Cape Buffalo, and other Dangerous game don't read ballistics charts, right? And no this cartridge is no light kicker but for it's suitable applications it is pretty light. __________________ Join the cartridge comparisons group! http://gunandgame.com/forums/group.php?groupid=3

03-27-2008, 01:58 PM	#21
Onesonek Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pipestone, MN. Posts: 351	Agreed AKHunter, there is always a ? of practicality, give me a 30-06 and a 375H&H, and I would need no more for biggame, all but the most dagerous African. I still think componets is a non-issue for now atleast for the 9.3x74R, although who knows what may happen 5-10 years or more from now. Recoil can be an issue for some, without a doubt. One part me wants to say when it comes up,,,it's like money,,,,if you have to ask, then it's probably too much. On the other hand,,,recoil is inevitable, learn to deal with it in practice,,,,, in the field, you'll never feel it. But if recoil of a heavy hitter bothers you that you can't shoot it accurately, you'll be far better off with a lesser caliber that you can. And yes turner, the 62 is more bolt friendly, as is the more powerful 9.3x64. But the 64 case is tough to find and very pricey when it is available. Dave

03-27-2008, 02:12 PM	#22
turner Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tn Posts: 623	Dave, Thanks...I thought that might be the case. I've been impressed with the numbers for both the 9.3x74 and 9.3x62, but that 9.3x64 is a BIG BOY! From all I've read, the .35 can be loaded closely enough to the two lighter 9.3s to make the purchase of one of them not for me, although that Ruger #1 would be a very nice platform. Should we discuss the merits of a #1 in .405 Winchester now?....lol, sorry, couldn't resist.

03-27-2008, 03:57 PM	#23
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	A #1 in .405 would be a terrific elk rifle.

03-28-2008, 10:48 AM	#31
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	vikingpreacher, are you still talking about the 9.3x74? Any hunting situation, any game? As long as you limit it to beasties that don't bite back, OK. It ain't no elephant rifle. It ain't even no .338 Win Mag. Sure, the bullet is bigger. And I do maintain bigger bullets are better for bigger animals. But you don't get big game (in the African sense) performance without big game energy and recoil. There is no magic medium cartridge. The 9.3x74 is not even legal for dangerous game where caliber restrictions exist. If you want one, go ahead and buy one. Just don't expect an elephant gun with the kick of a deer rifle. There is a reason professional hunters carry what they do. They want to become old, retired professional hunters. And yes, I know you can kill an elephant with a 7x57 if you are sniping. But try it when the beastie is coming at you full of adrenaline and ill will. Even Karamojo Bell had two big doubles to back up his popgun.

03-28-2008, 11:14 AM	#32
Onesonek Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pipestone, MN. Posts: 351	Well I do know one thing, I won't spend 87 bucks for 20 rounds from Hornady. Not when I can load them for way way, waaaaaay less. Dave

03-28-2008, 01:16 PM	#34
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	I guess I'd like to read the comment in context. Still seems more like an elk round to me.........

03-28-2008, 05:58 PM	#39
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	Billy, you might need that .416! There is some pretty tough paper out there. One gomer showed up at my club's public sight-in day with a .375 H&H. It was pretty clear he was terrified of the rifle. After firing his entire 20-round box of factory ammo at a 25-yard target, with no perceptible result, he said he was ready for his brown-bear hunt. Only thing I can figure is, his bullets were merely denting the paper. I hope the bears were not so tough. I asked him to make me beneficiary on his life insurance. He didn't think that was amusing. Some people have no sense of humor.