9.3x74R Safari Power Without Killer Kick - Page 3

Onesonek · 03-28-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

Billy, you might need that .416! There is some pretty tough paper out there. One gomer showed up at my club's public sight-in day with a .375 H&H. It was pretty clear he was terrified of the rifle. After firing his entire 20-round box of factory ammo at a 25-yard target, with no perceptible result, he said he was ready for his brown-bear hunt. Only thing I can figure is, his bullets were merely denting the paper. I hope the bears were not so tough. I asked him to make me beneficiary on his life insurance. He didn't think that was amusing. Some people have no sense of humor.

Half the fun going to range (sometimes) is watching the gomer's.

Dave

turner · 03-28-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

Billy, you might need that .416! There is some pretty tough paper out there. One gomer showed up at my club's public sight-in day with a .375 H&H. It was pretty clear he was terrified of the rifle. After firing his entire 20-round box of factory ammo at a 25-yard target, with no perceptible result, he said he was ready for his brown-bear hunt. Only thing I can figure is, his bullets were merely denting the paper. I hope the bears were not so tough. I asked him to make me beneficiary on his life insurance. He didn't think that was amusing. Some people have no sense of humor.

That is so far from(past!) funny.... I had to reach up from the floor to finish my typing.............thanks for sharing!!

vikingpreacher · 03-28-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

I guess I'd like to read the comment in context. Still seems more like an elk round to me.........

If your are talking about the Steve Hornady comment it is in a video on the Hornady website, if you shoot the target to watch a video as it says on the home page you will be able to access it from there after you click a few other links.

Phil Lozano · 04-01-2008, 09:58 AM

I have had a number of European clients bring the 9.3x74 on safari for Buffalo.

IMHO, it is not adequate for Buff. Entry level power for Buffalo should be a 375 H&H, with a 416 being very much superior to the 375.

You can kill Buffalo with a 375, however, a 416 just knocks the c**p out of them.

When clients ask me for recommendations of cartridges to bring on a long safari, I recommend a 338 Winnie and any of the 416's (338 with 250 grn. bullet and the 416 with 400 grn. bullets).

JMO

Best,
Phil
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rfc357 · 04-01-2008, 01:51 PM

Phil,

Thank you for your informed observation. I have never hunted anything bigger or meaner than an elk. However, if I did, I hope I would have the sense to develop some skill with the biggest, most powerful rifle I could reasonably handle.

Are the 416s adequate for elephant?

- Rich

Phil Lozano · 04-01-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rfc357

Phil,

Thank you for your informed observation. I have never hunted anything bigger or meaner than an elk. However, if I did, I hope I would have the sense to develop some skill with the biggest, most powerful rifle I could reasonably handle.

Are the 416s adequate for elephant?

- Rich

Any of the 416 are perfectly adequate for Ele's . . . . . . . . . . . . . . in 99.9 % of the situations you run into.

The 416's are very nice for all the DG (dangerous Game).

Best,
Phil
____________________________
Professional Hunter ~ Tanzania

Stay down wind and out of sight

Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions - Dangerous Game Specialists

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rfc357 · 04-01-2008, 03:11 PM

Phil,

Thank you. Academic interest only.

I see from your web site you guided in Colorado. That is where I live and hunt.

- Rich

Phil Lozano · 04-01-2008, 09:22 PM

Yes. Hunted the Grand Mesa for a few years. Nice place.

Got recruited to Africa and figured . . . . . . . Why Not ?

So, been a P.H. since 1984. I love my job ! ! ! ! ! !

rfc357 · 04-02-2008, 08:05 AM

Phil,

I have heard it is illegal to handload ammunition in some African countries. Is this true?

- Rich

Phil Lozano · 04-02-2008, 09:30 AM

Yes, in most of the countries.

Best,
Phil
____________________________
Professional Hunter ~ Tanzania

Stay out of sight and down wind

Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions - Dangerous Game Specialists

04-01-2008, 09:58 AM	#44
Phil Lozano Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: June-Dec. Arusha, TZ~Dec.-June PSL, FL. Posts: 188	I have had a number of European clients bring the 9.3x74 on safari for Buffalo. IMHO, it is not adequate for Buff. Entry level power for Buffalo should be a 375 H&H, with a 416 being very much superior to the 375. You can kill Buffalo with a 375, however, a 416 just knocks the c*p out of them. When clients ask me for recommendations of cartridges to bring on a long safari, I recommend a 338 Winnie and any of the 416's (338 with 250 grn. bullet and the 416 with 400 grn. bullets). JMO Best, Phil ____________________________ Stay down wind and out of sight Professional Hunter ~ Tanzania Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions - Dangerous Game Specialists go-on-safari.com :: Index __________________ Phil Lozano Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions Last edited by Phil Lozano; 04-01-2008 at 12:08 PM.*

04-01-2008, 09:22 PM	#48
Phil Lozano Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: June-Dec. Arusha, TZ~Dec.-June PSL, FL. Posts: 188	Yes. Hunted the Grand Mesa for a few years. Nice place. Got recruited to Africa and figured . . . . . . . Why Not ? So, been a P.H. since 1984. I love my job ! ! ! ! ! ! __________________ Phil Lozano Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions

04-02-2008, 09:30 AM	#50
Phil Lozano Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: June-Dec. Arusha, TZ~Dec.-June PSL, FL. Posts: 188	Yes, in most of the countries. Best, Phil ____________________________ Professional Hunter ~ Tanzania Stay out of sight and down wind Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions - Dangerous Game Specialists __________________ Phil Lozano Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions

04-01-2008, 01:51 PM	#45
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	Phil, Thank you for your informed observation. I have never hunted anything bigger or meaner than an elk. However, if I did, I hope I would have the sense to develop some skill with the biggest, most powerful rifle I could reasonably handle. Are the 416s adequate for elephant? - Rich

04-01-2008, 03:11 PM	#47
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	Phil, Thank you. Academic interest only. I see from your web site you guided in Colorado. That is where I live and hunt. - Rich

04-02-2008, 08:05 AM	#49
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741	Phil, I have heard it is illegal to handload ammunition in some African countries. Is this true? - Rich