All-Around Dangerous Game Cartridge

[CroMagnum]

Originally Posted by Phil Lozano

By giving good accurate information, with no sunshine pumping information to clients about the effectiveness of their 45/70 with Garret loads (or whatever his name is), e.g. never lying to a client about what to expect and what he need to do to have an enjoyable safari.

LOL........whatever you say Phil.

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

I don't know how you stay in business with that attitude of yours

And by being very successful in what I do. Knowing where the animals will be, what is a mature animal and what isn't, how dedicated you need to be to be at the top of your profession, when judged by results, when others are judging your results.

How many times have you been considered to be in the top 10 in your profession. Once is enough.

How much experience have you have with real big bore rifles ? How many heads of game have you taken with them ? If under a 3 figure number, your results are not very conclusive under all conditions.

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

i'm sure you have a long list of return clients

You are correct . . . . . . I do !

I wonder why ?

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

Have a nice day.

Thanks !

You too !

[CroMagnum]

OK, you can step down off your pedestal now.

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

OK, you can step down off your pedestal now.

Why ?

I like it here !

[CroMagnum]

You could get a nose bleed and it would ruin your $2000 suit....

[Phil Lozano]

Doubt it . . . . . . . . had it cauterize long ago.

[Midas]

Originally Posted by Phil Lozano

By giving good accurate information, with no sunshine pumping information to clients about the effectiveness of their 45/70 with Garret loads (or whatever his name is), e.g. never lying to a client about what to expect and what he need to do to have an enjoyable safari.

Seems like taking a 45-70 to Africa would be more of a stunt than anything, considering it just isn't big enough in the britches to be a good African DG gun, good for bragging rights, as are using handgun cartridges to hunt elephant and cape buffalo. What would be so wrong with using an adequate cartridge? I would think a grown man, in reasonably healthy condition, would have no problem using a .416 or above.

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by Midas

Seems like taking a 45-70 to Africa would be more of a stunt than anything, considering it just isn't big enough in the britches to be a good African DG gun, good for bragging rights, as are using handgun cartridges to hunt elephant and cape buffalo.

On dangerous game, you are correct.

On plains game animals, under 100 yards, it would probably doo fine.

Originally Posted by Midas

What would be so wrong with using an adequate cartridge? I would think a grown man, in reasonably healthy condition, would have no problem using a .416 or above.

Man !

[Mike Franklin]

I refuse to hunt with any PH!!

Unless I win the LOTTO.

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by Mike Franklin

I refuse to hunt with any PH!!

Unless I win the LOTTO.

[CroMagnum]

Originally Posted by Midas

Seems like taking a 45-70 to Africa would be more of a stunt than anything, considering it just isn't big enough in the britches to be a good African DG gun, good for bragging rights, as are using handgun cartridges to hunt elephant and cape buffalo. What would be so wrong with using an adequate cartridge? I would think a grown man, in reasonably healthy condition, would have no problem using a .416 or above.

Ever shot a 45-70? Ever seen what one can do to a 9ft+ brown bear at 50 yards? I have and it was pure devistation. I might not shoot an elephant with one, actually, I would probably never shoot an elephant, but I damn sure would shoot and kill a cape buffalo with it. It's not the rifle you should be worrying about.........it's the shooter, if he can't put the bullet where it needs to be when it counts then he shouldn't be there in the first place. Check this site out, there's some good info on it. Garrett Cartridges Online

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

Ever shot a 45-70? but I damn sure would shoot and kill a cape buffalo with it.

I have shot them. B TW, the energy level of your beloved 45/70 is about 1,000 ft. lbs. under the recommended minimum of the 375.

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

Garrett Cartridges Online

You think he can say the same ? That he has no financial interest in saying his stuff is best ?

Originally Posted by Phil Lozano

I am not "hawking" anything on TV, nor and do I get a %age commission of 416 sales. I am not a guy from a bullet manufacture touting my new caliber/bullet.

[Midas]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

Ever shot a 45-70? Ever seen what one can do to a 9ft+ brown bear at 50 yards? I have and it was pure devistation. I might not shoot an elephant with one, actually, I would probably never shoot an elephant, but I damn sure would shoot and kill a cape buffalo with it. It's not the rifle you should be worrying about.........it's the shooter, if he can't put the bullet where it needs to be when it counts then he shouldn't be there in the first place. Check this site out, there's some good info on it. Garrett Cartridges Online

Yes I have shot a 45-70, I own one, in fact. And yes, I have seen it used on just about every game animal in NA. For nostalgia, it's hard to beat, but let's not make it out to be something it isn't, for hunting large and dangerous critters in Africa, it isn't even legal, it can't make the energy requirements

[turner]

Here's Ed's take on at least some of these disagreements found here, and that's that dangerous game might be similar in nature, but the makeup of a cape buffalo and grizzly, body-wise is QUITE different. Simply said, the grizzly is still "thin-skinned" while a cape buffalo has a much tougher body to penetrate than the grizz. Did I say the grizzly was any less dangerous than the buff...NO! I simply said that from all I've read there is a significant difference in how well a rifle/bullet combination will/would penetrate these two very different animals. The concensus would also be, I think, that the mature buff could outweigh a mature grizz by 300-500 lbs. Significant to me. Of course, only my opinion. Thanks.

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

Have a nice day.

Cro,

Forgot to say, look me up and call anytime, would love to talk to you.

[CroMagnum]

I don't profess to be a rifle expert, don't know much about ballistics and such as I am not interested in that kind of stuff. If I hunted for a living then that would change things but I don't. I hunt whenever I can, I hunt for meat and I hunt for trophies and sometimes it works out that I get both at the same time. Right now my XLR is my favorite rifle but come August i'll be packing the 270 and the wife the 7mm-08 which we hope to use on sheep. September i'll be going after my favorite animal, bull moose and if I don't draw an archery moose tag then i'll probably carry the 375 H&H. Should I get lucky enough to score on a moose i'll go back to the XLR and go after grizz/brown bear, maybe even a mtn goat if I can find the time. I'm not going to argue anymore about DG rifles since I know what works best for me and that's what matters in the end. Maybe i'll go to Africa one day, maybe I won't but if I do, i'm bringing the 375 H&H as I know it will get the job done. Cheers.

[CroMagnum]

Originally Posted by Midas

Yes I have shot a 45-70, I own one, in fact. And yes, I have seen it used on just about every game animal in NA. For nostalgia, it's hard to beat, but let's not make it out to be something it isn't, for hunting large and dangerous critters in Africa, it isn't even legal, it can't make the energy requirements

Including big brown bears? If it's illegal to use in Africa then why are people still using it?

[Phil Lozano]

Originally Posted by CroMagnum

If it's illegal to use in Africa then why are people still using it?

You would have to specify which country you are speaking about in Africa.