For all that think - Page 2

Phil Lozano · 07-02-2008, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasT

Some people like to use smaller calibers combined with good shot placement, that's fine too.

And how would that have speeded up the results ?

I am just asking for people to justify their recommendations. If you have nothing to back up your opinion, your opinion is not worth mentioning.

My opinion is I can fly . . . . . . . however, I have a hard time backing up my opinion on that one, so this is the only time I will mention it.

Phil Lozano · 07-02-2008, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midas

Just remember, a small bore can never be a big bore

Very true.

single shot · 07-02-2008, 09:49 PM

Sounds like someone is scared of recoil to me! My 223 has 0 recoil if pointed at a animal - 270 has no recoil if pointed at a animal - 45-70 has no recoil if pointed at a animal. O.K. i've never fired a 416 but I think I'd be happy to have it for cape buffalo. However a bow is the way to go in noth america!! One of these days I may be able to hunt in Africa and if I won't listen to my guide what good is he?
Phil i'm not sure it's the body fat on a buff as just a big mean capable character. I have nothiced here N.A. that predators seem to hit the dirt quick and grazers tend to cover a little territory before they colapse.
Good hunting and enjoy doning whatever you do,
Single Shot

TexasT · 07-02-2008, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Lozano

And how would that have speeded up the results ?

I am just asking for people to justify their recommendations. If you have nothing to back up your opinion, your opinion is not worth mentioning.

My opinion is I can fly . . . . . . . however, I have a hard time backing up my opinion on that one, so this is the only time I will mention it.

More than one way to skin a cat. Your way isn't necessarily going to be better than anybody else's way. People are going to do what they're familiar with as long as it works on the animals they shoot on a regular basis.

Midas · 07-02-2008, 09:52 PM

I guess I agree with TexasT, we can argue until the sun comes up, but nobody's opinion will be changed. If if works for ya, have at it!

sbowers5 · 07-02-2008, 09:57 PM

THANk YOU !!!!!!!! Midas and TT, absolute words of wisdom.
steve

CroMagnum · 07-03-2008, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Lozano

And how would that have speeded up the results ?

I am just asking for people to justify their recommendations. If you have nothing to back up your opinion, your opinion is not worth mentioning.

My opinion is I can fly . . . . . . . however, I have a hard time backing up my opinion on that one, so this is the only time I will mention it.

Bull shit Phil, everyone is entitled to their opinion rather you like that opinion or not. Tell ya what, I'll stay out of your threads about Africa since I have no experience there and my opinion is not worth mentioning.

Phil Lozano · 07-03-2008, 03:52 PM

If you (as in everyone) cannot defend the cartridge you are using or recommending in a debate, I have no respect for that cartridge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and neither should you.

Phil Lozano · 07-03-2008, 07:05 PM

However, never fear. I will not bore you with further tales of (the big bad wolf here for many) recoil, as I know a good many here think that if they shoot something here that has more recoil that a popcorn fa_t they will instantly be handicapped for the rest of their lives, and such murderous recoil surely will crumble freeway overpasses and down telephone poles as well.

Tell you what, start a thread that states ~ shooting adequate cartridges with heavy recoil is most likely the cause of global warming !

Then all you sensitive hunters will be saved by not ever having to shoot a relevant cartridge, thus helping save the world ! Brilliant !

To a few posters here, I say Bravo to you ! you did your best, but too many amateurs here "without a set".

But I am expecting a few cheers, there are at least 15 Buffalo, 1 Elephant, 5 Lions and 5 Leopards (and an unknown number of pretty bad snakes) that will get a change to remove me from this site permanently, if the clients don't shoot straight, or I don't later during the follow up if any.

mtm1 · 07-03-2008, 07:58 PM

O.K. I'm changeing to the 500 Asquare, Phil I want a gold star for that.

Seriously, if going D/G hunting in Africa take something stupid big. Considering the cost of a Safari, a new cannon is not a concern. For stickly off hand shooting recoil should not be a problem.

mtm1 · 07-03-2008, 09:19 PM

I should quallify that last post. If buying a new gun plan on a few hundred rounds of practice/shakedown before the trip.

Magnumsrule · 07-03-2008, 09:39 PM

I for one enjoy reading posts on Africa and dream of the one day that i will be able to travel there. However the whole raging on each other bit is getting a bit tiring....

Magnumsrule · 07-03-2008, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbowers5

THANk YOU !!!!!!!! Midas and TT, absolute words of wisdom.
steve

And unless i am totally mistaken you were recently doing the same think with ron over the 270 win.....

sbowers5 · 07-03-2008, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

And unless i am totally mistaken you were recently doing the same think with ron over the 270 win.....

Not me mag. my problem with RonAKA was that his opinion was the only one that counted and i for one think that everybody's opinion should be listened to and given the respect that it deserves and that is even if you don't agree with it, don't disrespect the person for his opinion by telling him he is a idiot.
steve

Magnumsrule · 07-03-2008, 10:04 PM

Oh, sorry guess it was someone else that was arguing with him

Midas · 07-03-2008, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnumsrule

And unless i am totally mistaken you were recently doing the same think with ron over the 270 win.....

Ron was a troll, and trolls have no place on ANY forum.

sbowers5 · 07-03-2008, 10:13 PM

Mag I respect everyones opinion because it is their's and they have an absolute right to it but i don't have any time for someone that thinks their way is the only way, i have been a gunsmith forabout40 yrs and opinons about guns are about as difficult to discuss as politics and religon, and if you don't have an open mind hte discussions turn into out right fights,and i hope i haven't saidanything to upsetyou. But this is just my opinion.
steve

billy · 07-03-2008, 10:47 PM

hey,
let me try.

HUNTING IS WRONG!

sbowers5 · 07-03-2008, 10:48 PM

Billy you are killing me

steve

nathangdad · 07-03-2008, 11:04 PM

the hunting environment to the greatest extent possible. So, there are no
unnecessary large calibers.

Best advice - communicate with the guides, professional hunters, and/or
just successful hunters to get a good feeling for what will give you the best performance in the region you plan to hunt.

07-02-2008, 09:52 PM	#25
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,788 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	I guess I agree with TexasT, we can argue until the sun comes up, but nobody's opinion will be changed. If if works for ya, have at it! __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever" Last edited by Midas; 07-03-2008 at 01:35 PM.

07-02-2008, 09:57 PM	#26
sbowers5 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 537	THANk YOU !!!!!!!! Midas and TT, absolute words of wisdom. steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.

07-03-2008, 03:52 PM	#28
Phil Lozano Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: June-Dec. Arusha, TZ~Dec.-June PSL, FL. Posts: 188	If you (as in everyone) cannot defend the cartridge you are using or recommending in a debate, I have no respect for that cartridge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and neither should you. __________________ Phil Lozano Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions

07-03-2008, 07:05 PM	#29
Phil Lozano Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: June-Dec. Arusha, TZ~Dec.-June PSL, FL. Posts: 188	However, never fear. I will not bore you with further tales of (the big bad wolf here for many) recoil, as I know a good many here think that if they shoot something here that has more recoil that a popcorn fa_t they will instantly be handicapped for the rest of their lives, and such murderous recoil surely will crumble freeway overpasses and down telephone poles as well. Tell you what, start a thread that states ~ shooting adequate cartridges with heavy recoil is most likely the cause of global warming ! Then all you sensitive hunters will be saved by not ever having to shoot a relevant cartridge, thus helping save the world ! *Brilliant !* To a few posters here, I say *Bravo to you !* you did your best, but too many amateurs here "without a set". But I am expecting a few cheers, there are at least 15 Buffalo, 1 Elephant, 5 Lions and 5 Leopards (and an unknown number of pretty bad snakes) that will get a change to remove me from this site permanently, if the clients don't shoot straight, or I don't later during the follow up if any. __________________ Phil Lozano Phil Lozano Tanzania Trophy Expeditions Last edited by Phil Lozano; 07-03-2008 at 08:06 PM.

07-03-2008, 09:39 PM	#32
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	I for one enjoy reading posts on Africa and dream of the one day that i will be able to travel there. However the whole raging on each other bit is getting a bit tiring.... __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

07-02-2008, 09:49 PM	#23
single shot Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Posts: 56	Sounds like someone is scared of recoil to me! My 223 has 0 recoil if pointed at a animal - 270 has no recoil if pointed at a animal - 45-70 has no recoil if pointed at a animal. O.K. i've never fired a 416 but I think I'd be happy to have it for cape buffalo. However a bow is the way to go in noth america!! One of these days I may be able to hunt in Africa and if I won't listen to my guide what good is he? Phil i'm not sure it's the body fat on a buff as just a big mean capable character. I have nothiced here N.A. that predators seem to hit the dirt quick and grazers tend to cover a little territory before they colapse. Good hunting and enjoy doning whatever you do, Single Shot

07-03-2008, 07:58 PM	#30
mtm1 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 85	O.K. I'm changeing to the 500 Asquare, Phil I want a gold star for that. Seriously, if going D/G hunting in Africa take something stupid big. Considering the cost of a Safari, a new cannon is not a concern. For stickly off hand shooting recoil should not be a problem.

07-03-2008, 09:19 PM	#31
mtm1 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 85	I should quallify that last post. If buying a new gun plan on a few hundred rounds of practice/shakedown before the trip.

07-03-2008, 10:04 PM	#35
Magnumsrule Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Northern Alberta, Canada Posts: 591 Blog Entries: 2	Oh, sorry guess it was someone else that was arguing with him __________________ Cartridge Group Like to discuss cartridges? Join HERE!

07-03-2008, 10:13 PM	#37
sbowers5 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 537	Mag I respect everyones opinion because it is their's and they have an absolute right to it but i don't have any time for someone that thinks their way is the only way, i have been a gunsmith forabout40 yrs and opinons about guns are about as difficult to discuss as politics and religon, and if you don't have an open mind hte discussions turn into out right fights,and i hope i haven't saidanything to upsetyou. But this is just my opinion. steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.

07-03-2008, 10:47 PM	#38
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,970 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	hey, let me try. HUNTING IS WRONG! __________________ just leave britney ALONE! she's going thru a hard time snivel sniff....WAH

07-03-2008, 10:48 PM	#39
sbowers5 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 537	Billy you are killing me steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.

07-03-2008, 11:04 PM	#40
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,437	Calibers should be matched to the game and the hunting environment to the greatest extent possible. So, there are no unnecessary large calibers. Best advice - communicate with the guides, professional hunters, and/or just successful hunters to get a good feeling for what will give you the best performance in the region you plan to hunt.