Enough Gun vs Shot Placement

SwedeSteve · 04-18-2009, 10:00 PM

'Nuff said !!

lefty o · 04-18-2009, 10:13 PM

i personally believe you gotta have both.

wirehunt · 04-18-2009, 10:36 PM

You love a shit fight? ROTFLMAO

Cyrano · 04-18-2009, 11:03 PM

There stands someone who had big brass ones hangin' down there. My personal opinion is the correct firearm to go after bear with sits in the turret of an Abrams tank!

SwedeSteve · 04-18-2009, 11:17 PM

^ Ha-Ha !!

Midas · 04-18-2009, 11:18 PM

There is a difference between killing something that is standing still, and trying to stop it whfrom killing you!

Sure, one could walk right up to a cape buff or brown bear and shoot them in the eye with a .223, but what if they decided to come at you before you could get close enough?

Then yer' goose is cooked!

I'm too much of a coward to hunt something that bites back with a pea shooter

SwedeSteve · 04-19-2009, 12:00 AM

^ I wanna see you walk up to a Cape Buffalo OR a Grizzly !!

lefty o · 04-19-2009, 10:33 AM

i'll bet he'll do it at the ZOO!

texnmidwest · 04-19-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

^ I wanna see you walk up to a Cape Buffalo OR a Grizzly !!

Why, I walked right up to a Grizzly last week! What is so special about that? I walked up to it and it didn't move an inch. Of course, I don't think it had moved in the 20 years it has been on display at the museum either.

ArkansasHunter · 04-19-2009, 10:40 AM

Them bears must of been hibernateing when that nit wit shot them. Really I wonder how many shots did it take to kill them.
Being an Honest responsible sportsman (hunter) I would call this guy a SLOB hunter for useing a rifle like he's useing.
Is'nt that a 30 cal. ?

This is Stupid !...And I agree with my cuzzin Midas...A.H

Windwalker · 04-19-2009, 11:15 AM

I should recognize that man, I've seen his picture before. He was, or is a professional hunter who hunted all over the world, mostly with a .243 Win. I believe his name was O'Connor. He and Elmer Kieth used to publish articles arguing with each other over the caliber necessary to take big game. Elmer supported the big calibers with lots of knockdown while O' Connor advocated the fast, flat shooting smaller calibers.

ArkansasHunter · 04-19-2009, 11:43 AM

Is that the late Jack O'Conner magazine writer, Hunter and promoted the 270 Winchester ?

Onesonek · 04-19-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windwalker

I should recognize that man, I've seen his picture before. He was, or is a professional hunter who hunted all over the world, mostly with a .243 Win. I believe his name was O'Connor. He and Elmer Kieth used to publish articles arguing with each other over the caliber necessary to take big game. Elmer supported the big calibers with lots of knockdown while O' Connor advocated the fast, flat shooting smaller calibers.

This is the only pic I could find of J.O. in the early days
I don't think the guy with the 2 bears is the same
http://www.anglebooks.com/shopimages...1571572546.jpg

SwedeSteve · 04-19-2009, 02:27 PM

The hunter is Harold Hargrave. The bears were taken at Funter Bay, AK. Evidently his 30cal was enough gun for the shots he took.

FortyXDM · 04-19-2009, 02:49 PM

I got to go with A.H. and Midas on this issue. However, there is "something" to be said for the hunter who insists on using a target round for buffs and bears, and that is that despite the wisdom of many old hunters, there are always some who insist on "culling" via the Darwinian method.

Midas · 04-19-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

^ I wanna see you walk up to a Cape Buffalo OR a Grizzly !!

Right after you do it, I'm not the one trying to prove something.

Don't really understand the hostility some of you guys are showing, I had kinda thought that this thread was tongue in cheek from the get go.

But then again, when it comes to discussing cartridges, feathers will always get ruffled.

FortyXDM · 04-20-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Why, I walked right up to a Grizzly last week! What is so special about that? I walked up to it and it didn't move an inch. Of course, I don't think it had moved in the 20 years it has been on display at the museum either.

Texn - Now that is the kind of bravery that I admire and exhibit myself.

LarryO1970 · 04-20-2009, 06:25 PM

... and that would be Tex being Tex ...

Purdy · 04-20-2009, 09:23 PM

I once knew a woman who killed two grizzlys with a 250/3000 M99 Savage. Not that I'd recomend it though.

Purdy · 04-20-2009, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windwalker

I should recognize that man, I've seen his picture before. He was, or is a professional hunter who hunted all over the world, mostly with a .243 Win. I believe his name was O'Connor. He and Elmer Kieth used to publish articles arguing with each other over the caliber necessary to take big game. Elmer supported the big calibers with lots of knockdown while O' Connor advocated the fast, flat shooting smaller calibers.

It's not O'Connor, but I had a friend who hunted in Africa with a White Hunter who had guided O'Connor and said he killed more with his typewritter than his gun.

04-18-2009, 10:00 PM	#1
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SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,469	^ Ha-Ha !! __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

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Midas Chief Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 3,836 Blog Entries: 6	There is a difference between killing something that is standing still, and trying to stop it whfrom killing you! Sure, one could walk right up to a cape buff or brown bear and shoot them in the eye with a .223, but what if they decided to come at you before you could get close enough? Then yer' goose is cooked! I'm too much of a coward to hunt something that bites back with a pea shooter __________________ NRA Life Member If seven rounds of .45 isn't enough, you need a rifle!

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SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,469	^ I wanna see you walk up to a Cape Buffalo OR a Grizzly !! __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

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lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 6,377	i personally believe you gotta have both.

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Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 8,220	There stands someone who had big brass ones hangin' down there. My personal opinion is the correct firearm to go after bear with sits in the turret of an Abrams tank!

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lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 6,377	i'll bet he'll do it at the ZOO!

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ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 18,469	Them bears must of been hibernateing when that nit wit shot them. Really I wonder how many shots did it take to kill them. Being an Honest responsible sportsman (hunter) I would call this guy a SLOB hunter for useing a rifle like he's useing. Is'nt that a 30 cal. ? This is Stupid !...And I agree with my cuzzin Midas...A.H __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

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Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6,266	I should recognize that man, I've seen his picture before. He was, or is a professional hunter who hunted all over the world, mostly with a .243 Win. I believe his name was O'Connor. He and Elmer Kieth used to publish articles arguing with each other over the caliber necessary to take big game. Elmer supported the big calibers with lots of knockdown while O' Connor advocated the fast, flat shooting smaller calibers. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it In God I Trust

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ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 18,469	Is that the late Jack O'Conner magazine writer, Hunter and promoted the 270 Winchester ? __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

04-19-2009, 02:27 PM	#14
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 26,469	The hunter is Harold Hargrave. The bears were taken at Funter Bay, AK. Evidently his 30cal was enough gun for the shots he took. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

04-19-2009, 02:49 PM	#15
FortyXDM Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Gladstone, Mo. (kc area) Posts: 4,239	I got to go with A.H. and Midas on this issue. However, there is "something" to be said for the hunter who insists on using a target round for buffs and bears, and that is that despite the wisdom of many old hunters, there are always some who insist on "culling" via the Darwinian method.

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LarryO1970 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 5,979 Blog Entries: 2	... and that would be Tex being Tex ... __________________ You don't scare me! Work on it!

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Purdy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montana Posts: 598	I once knew a woman who killed two grizzlys with a 250/3000 M99 Savage. Not that I'd recomend it though.