30.06 knockdown power

imjack123 · 07-17-2009, 08:25 PM

hello, so i have two questions. the first being, is the .270 a similair round to the 30.06, and similar knockdown power, and also, what is the range of a 30.06 with some decent knockdown power, and how much will the bullet drop at that range, so i guess three questions.

thanks

jack

338RUM · 07-17-2009, 08:57 PM

Hi, the 270 is a necked down 30/06 it shoots hunting bullets in 120-150 grain range and has less drop than the 06. For the average hunter who is limited to a minute of deer 300 yard shot there will be little difference in the two, now the 30/06 is capable of 1,000 yard shots with 40 feet of drop..lol but the farthest I would shoot a deer is 500 yards with the 06 if lined in at 200 yards the drop at 500 should be in the neighborhood of 20 inches or so (don't quote me I dont have exact drop) as the 270 is capable of taking deer out to 500 yards with a little less drop. hope this answers your ?'s

imjack123 · 07-17-2009, 08:59 PM

yes it did, one more question, at 300 yards, which one will have more knockdown power?

nathangdad · 07-17-2009, 09:00 PM

ballistics comparison allowing you to compare a great many calibers and bullet weights.

The .270 is quite close to the .30-06 in many aspects. You might also wish to take a look at the 7mm Remington Express which is, in reality, a 7mm/06.

The .270, the 7mm Remington Express, and the .30-06 each has an excellent history in the field.

The .30-06 has, perhaps, a distinct advantance in the very wide range of bullets factory loaded and available off the shelf. Also, the .30-06 is chambered in a very wide range of rifle styles and actions so it has another advantage in this sense.

The .270 Winchester is also chambered in a wide variety of rifle styles and actions but perhaps not quite the number as is the .30-06.

338RUM · 07-17-2009, 09:01 PM

well that depends with bullets heavier than 150 grains the 30/06 will be the champ all day, but with the bullets 150 and under it should be very close to the same

imjack123 · 07-17-2009, 09:03 PM

hmm, see heres the issue, i already have a .270, and am wondering what other gun i should get that would be usefull in north america mostly, so idk which one i should get. is there that big a difference between the .270 and 30.06

338RUM · 07-17-2009, 09:06 PM

there is not enough difference to warrant the purchase of an 06 if you have a 270. within 200 yards I would look at the 35 Remington chambered in a Marlin 336!

nathangdad · 07-17-2009, 09:22 PM

as it is very accurate, long range, and easy on the shoulder. It is good for game up to and including deer.

If you want to move up from a .270 in power the .338/06 is a cartridge you should research. Although it is sometimes factory loaded you would be wise to handload this round. Dies and loading info are widely available for this round.

A big move up in power would be the .338 Winchester Magnum. However, this is too much for many of us so if you can - fire it before you buy it.

samuel · 07-18-2009, 01:08 AM

If you want to move to flat shooting,move to the .270 WSM.While I don't own one, (I own a 7mm wsm)I have seen them in action and have great respect for them.And as for big game hunting bullets I believe the 130/140/150gr is selection enough. ,,,sam.

338RUM · 07-18-2009, 01:11 AM

i agree with sam, and can atest to the power and accuracy of the 270 WSM

thrillbilly · 07-18-2009, 01:23 AM

The whole concept of "knock-down" power is a myth, a better phrase is killing power. Nothing shoulder-fired will "knock-down" big game, animals might fall down on the spot occasionally, or drop when the spinal cord is severed, but they won't be "knocked down". Dead is dead, a .243 will kill deer as fast and efficiently as a .458WinMag (at average hunting distances). A larger caliber has more killing power at longer distances, i.e. it will penetrate bone and tissue better, but they won't "knock down" a 500LB Elk.
JMHO

travisg96 · 07-18-2009, 02:33 AM

If you want knock down power get a 50 BMG. Have a friend who was a side door gunner in NAM and said he could flatten a grass hut in 3 shots wit his 50.

samuel · 07-18-2009, 03:31 AM

They didn't use .50,s in slicks/Hueys and they wouldn't knock a hut down anyway as there is no resistance.Might set one on fire during the dry spell. ,,,sam.

thrillbilly · 07-18-2009, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuel

They didn't use .50,s in slicks/Hueys and they wouldn't knock a hut down anyway as there is no resistance.Might set one on fire during the dry spell. ,,,sam.

Yep! M60s in hueys, .30 cal

338RUM · 07-18-2009, 09:57 AM

ouch.... someone got spanked^^.... j/k

samuel · 07-18-2009, 10:46 AM

It wasn't Travis fault.He was just repeating what some Saigon commando told him.Happens all the time.Thats how we got such a bad reputation. ,,,sam.

travisg96 · 07-18-2009, 08:29 PM

I dunnno what he was flying in, Just said he had a 50 cal and was on the side. I dunno maybe I was confused about what he was shooting at. Between him and story's from a guy who claims to have been a sniper oh yeah and the special forces guy who jumped out of helicopters and slit peoples throats, he wasn't in Nam though. I missed that war by about 20 years.

Point was that a 50 BMG has knockdown power, something that gets hit with that will probably fall down, may get back up, but not for long.
Travis

samuel · 07-18-2009, 09:29 PM

A friend of mine who was in the second WW and flew in B24/25,said when they cut loose with the twin .50,s it felt like they pushed the plane sideways.Just a gentle nudge. ,,,sam.

sbowers5 · 07-18-2009, 10:44 PM

sam we had 50's on some of the hs53's in hal6.
Steve

samuel · 07-19-2009, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbowers5

sam we had 50's on some of the hs53's in hal6.
Steve

While not being in my field,as I recall,werent those forward fire, mounted for taking mines out?Don't recall ever seeing any anyway.The 53,s were quite a bit more stable platform than the slicks. ,,,sam.

07-17-2009, 08:25 PM	#1
imjack123 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 73	30.06 knockdown power hello, so i have two questions. the first being, is the .270 a similair round to the 30.06, and similar knockdown power, and also, what is the range of a 30.06 with some decent knockdown power, and how much will the bullet drop at that range, so i guess three questions. thanks jack

07-17-2009, 09:00 PM	#4
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,164	If you go to Remingon.com they have an excellent ballistics comparison allowing you to compare a great many calibers and bullet weights. The .270 is quite close to the .30-06 in many aspects. You might also wish to take a look at the 7mm Remington Express which is, in reality, a 7mm/06. The .270, the 7mm Remington Express, and the .30-06 each has an excellent history in the field. The .30-06 has, perhaps, a distinct advantance in the very wide range of bullets factory loaded and available off the shelf. Also, the .30-06 is chambered in a very wide range of rifle styles and actions so it has another advantage in this sense. The .270 Winchester is also chambered in a wide variety of rifle styles and actions but perhaps not quite the number as is the .30-06. Last edited by nathangdad; 07-17-2009 at 09:05 PM.

07-17-2009, 09:22 PM	#8
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,164	One of my favorite cartridges is the .243 Winchester as it is very accurate, long range, and easy on the shoulder. It is good for game up to and including deer. If you want to move up from a .270 in power the .338/06 is a cartridge you should research. Although it is sometimes factory loaded you would be wise to handload this round. Dies and loading info are widely available for this round. A big move up in power would be the .338 Winchester Magnum. However, this is too much for many of us so if you can - fire it before you buy it.

07-18-2009, 01:23 AM	#11
thrillbilly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozark Hill Country Posts: 2,602	The whole concept of "knock-down" power is a myth, a better phrase is killing power. Nothing shoulder-fired will "knock-down" big game, animals might fall down on the spot occasionally, or drop when the spinal cord is severed, but they won't be "knocked down". Dead is dead, a .243 will kill deer as fast and efficiently as a .458WinMag (at average hunting distances). A larger caliber has more killing power at longer distances, i.e. it will penetrate bone and tissue better, but they won't "knock down" a 500LB Elk. JMHO __________________ *" I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on."* John Wayne

07-18-2009, 08:29 PM	#17
travisg96 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Springfield, Oregon Posts: 369	I dunnno what he was flying in, Just said he had a 50 cal and was on the side. I dunno maybe I was confused about what he was shooting at. Between him and story's from a guy who claims to have been a sniper oh yeah and the special forces guy who jumped out of helicopters and slit peoples throats, he wasn't in Nam though. I missed that war by about 20 years. Point was that a 50 BMG has knockdown power, something that gets hit with that will probably fall down, may get back up, but not for long. Travis Last edited by travisg96; 07-18-2009 at 08:33 PM.

07-17-2009, 08:57 PM	#2
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,025	Hi, the 270 is a necked down 30/06 it shoots hunting bullets in 120-150 grain range and has less drop than the 06. For the average hunter who is limited to a minute of deer 300 yard shot there will be little difference in the two, now the 30/06 is capable of 1,000 yard shots with 40 feet of drop..lol but the farthest I would shoot a deer is 500 yards with the 06 if lined in at 200 yards the drop at 500 should be in the neighborhood of 20 inches or so (don't quote me I dont have exact drop) as the 270 is capable of taking deer out to 500 yards with a little less drop. hope this answers your ?'s

07-17-2009, 08:59 PM	#3
imjack123 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 73	yes it did, one more question, at 300 yards, which one will have more knockdown power?

07-17-2009, 09:01 PM	#5
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,025	well that depends with bullets heavier than 150 grains the 30/06 will be the champ all day, but with the bullets 150 and under it should be very close to the same

07-17-2009, 09:03 PM	#6
imjack123 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 73	hmm, see heres the issue, i already have a .270, and am wondering what other gun i should get that would be usefull in north america mostly, so idk which one i should get. is there that big a difference between the .270 and 30.06

07-17-2009, 09:06 PM	#7
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,025	there is not enough difference to warrant the purchase of an 06 if you have a 270. within 200 yards I would look at the 35 Remington chambered in a Marlin 336!

07-18-2009, 01:08 AM	#9
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,900	If you want to move to flat shooting,move to the .270 WSM.While I don't own one, (I own a 7mm wsm)I have seen them in action and have great respect for them.And as for big game hunting bullets I believe the 130/140/150gr is selection enough. ,,,sam.

07-18-2009, 01:11 AM	#10
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,025	i agree with sam, and can atest to the power and accuracy of the 270 WSM

07-18-2009, 02:33 AM	#12
travisg96 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Springfield, Oregon Posts: 369	If you want knock down power get a 50 BMG. Have a friend who was a side door gunner in NAM and said he could flatten a grass hut in 3 shots wit his 50.

07-18-2009, 03:31 AM	#13
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,900	They didn't use .50,s in slicks/Hueys and they wouldn't knock a hut down anyway as there is no resistance.Might set one on fire during the dry spell. ,,,sam.

07-18-2009, 09:57 AM	#15
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,025	ouch.... someone got spanked^^.... j/k

07-18-2009, 10:46 AM	#16
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,900	It wasn't Travis fault.He was just repeating what some Saigon commando told him.Happens all the time.Thats how we got such a bad reputation. ,,,sam.

07-18-2009, 09:29 PM	#18
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,900	A friend of mine who was in the second WW and flew in B24/25,said when they cut loose with the twin .50,s it felt like they pushed the plane sideways.Just a gentle nudge. ,,,sam.

07-18-2009, 10:44 PM	#19
sbowers5 Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 1,081	sam we had 50's on some of the hs53's in hal6. Steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.