.308 Vs 30.06

[Archetype_wyo]

Originally Posted by deadzero

My 308 Savage has a 1:10 twist. caliber / case does not dictate twist rate. if the velocity on a 308 and a 30-06 are the same, and they are firing the same projectile, there's no magic, they have the same energy.

Savage Arms Model 10FPXP HS Precision

But speaking from typical riflings and such, look at the two previous links I posted.

[waterdog]

they are bout the same up to 180 grn pill that's the unvarnished truth. pick what suits you.

[Kompressor]

We keep picking bullets from .30-06 out of small moose calves, and have clean through&through with 6.5x55 and .308. So shot placement is of more importance than choosing between these two calibers. If I should go for a prize moose bull in Alaska or Canada I would prefer my own choice of .30, the 300RUM. -But you shouldn't if you have to go on a forum to get opinions like these!
Locals here think 180gr bullets is a bit on the heavy side for sloppy factory ammo, but self loaders can always beef up on their own risk.

[deadzero]

Originally Posted by Archetype_wyo

But speaking from typical riflings and such, look at the two previous links I posted.

I looked at the page but the numbers must be off. for the 308, the velocity numbers progression thru the bullet weights could be correct. but for the 30-06 it appears incorrect. the listed velocities for the 150 gr. projectile are the same as the 180 gr. projectile. the velocity curve thru the bullet weights of the -06 does not appear consistant in the data listed.

generally, the curve progressively diminishes. lighter bullets being fastest thru the heaviest bullets being slowest if maintaining relatively consistant pressures along the way.

[deadzero]

for a better comparison lets compare apples to apples.

this data shows a 60 ft/lbs difference at 500yds and a 4" difference in impact points at 500 yds, with both guns zeroed at 200 yds. (long range table)

Data is a 150 gr. Remington Core- lokt fired from both, a 308 (upper numbers) and a 30-06 (lower numbers)

Remington.com - Products - Ammunition - Ballistics


the only real advantage the 30-06 has is its ability to effectively launch the big 220 gr projectiles. thats where the extra case capacity proves itself.

[moosemike]

Originally Posted by Kompressor

We keep picking bullets from .30-06 out of small moose calves, and have clean through&through with 6.5x55 and .308. So shot placement is of more importance than choosing between these two calibers. If I should go for a prize moose bull in Alaska or Canada I would prefer my own choice of .30, the 300RUM. -But you shouldn't if you have to go on a forum to get opinions like these!
Locals here think 180gr bullets is a bit on the heavy side for sloppy factory ammo, but self loaders can always beef up on their own risk.

I had exit wounds this year on an adult cow moose with my .30-06. I use 220 grain Remmy Core-Lokts for moose and they go clean through.

[SightNSqueeze]

Originally Posted by Cyrano

Now you just clam down, G.W. Any of the calibers you talk about will do to cull Cuthbert out of the herd and keep his cotton-pickin' paws off Katie.

But given that Alec has an invitation to hunt moose in Canada as well as cull antelope in Africa and wants to hunt driven boar on top of it, if he's going with one rifle I'd have to advise him to choose a .30-06. He can handload rounds tailored to the game he's hunting. The extra oomph that 3 mm longer case gives him will come in right handy when he goes after moose and boar.

That's the advice that I'd give him.

Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Taking the moose into consideration, I'd have to go for the 30-06. The .308 is fine for everything else and maybe just a tad too much for the Deer & the Antelope. Considering you will be handloading, then the 30-06 has to be the way to go. It's easier to load down than load up.

Good advice on both accounts (and others as well). I like the availability of .308 around the world, but I like the tailoring versatility of the .30-06 Springfield on the "extremes" too. Remember, the .30-06 Springfield round can be had as a saboted 80 grain round right on up to a crushing 220 grain big game round. My personal favorite for Whitetail deer in South Carolina is the 165 grain Nosler Partition bullet which can be purchased under a number of different brand names. 150 grain spitzers are good too.

Welcome to the site too. We hope to hear about your experiences.

[Archetype_wyo]

When it comes down to it, the .30-06 is more versatile for hunting, 150gr for deer and stink goats, 180gr for elk if you must and 180-220gr for Moose. If you need anything less than 150gr what in the world would you be hunting that 150gr would be too much?

[rimfirenut]

Originally Posted by Kompressor

We keep picking bullets from .30-06 out of small moose calves, and have clean through&through with 6.5x55 and .308. So shot placement is of more importance than choosing between these two calibers. If I should go for a prize moose bull in Alaska or Canada I would prefer my own choice of .30, the 300RUM. -But you shouldn't if you have to go on a forum to get opinions like these!
Locals here think 180gr bullets is a bit on the heavy side for sloppy factory ammo, but self loaders can always beef up on their own risk.

I am a bit puzzled by your post, are you saying the 30-06 is inadequate for moose? Picking bullets out of small moose calves from the 30-06? I know the 6.5x55 is very good and has a better b.c. than the 30 cals and does indeed penetrate very good but the 30-06 has more f.p.s. and more energy than the 308, so please clarify.. I find the 30-06 superior to the 308 and would choose it over both the 308 and 6.5x55 for moose, but a magnum would be a better choice..

[Kompressor]

Originally Posted by rimfirenut

I am a bit puzzled by your post, are you saying the 30-06 is inadequate for moose? Picking bullets out of small moose calves from the 30-06? I know the 6.5x55 is very good and has a better b.c. than the 30 cals and does indeed penetrate very good but the 30-06 has more f.p.s. and more energy than the 308, so please clarify.. I find the 30-06 superior to the 308 and would choose it over both the 308 and 6.5x55 for moose, but a magnum would be a better choice..

Never said that. Just that even the .30-06 will stop in small animals IF shot placement isn't good. All of these calibers will do and does nicely for our moosehunt, and they are indeed the "three big ones" around here. I wouldn't mind hunting with any of them. Of the three, the .308 is the "weakest" when it comes to penetration. But then some hunters (most?) around here prefer not to shoot through and out to be sure the bullet delivers all its energy in the animal. I am myself not of that school, but must admit I have my "wisdom" from reading rather than practical hunting!

[big boomer]

If I had to choose between 3006 and 308 I would do so according to which is easier to come by in the area as they are so close other wise.

[rimfirenut]

Originally Posted by Kompressor

Never said that. Just that even the .30-06 will stop in small animals IF shot placement isn't good. All of these calibers will do and does nicely for our moosehunt, and they are indeed the "three big ones" around here. I wouldn't mind hunting with any of them. Of the three, the .308 is the "weakest" when it comes to penetration. But then some hunters (most?) around here prefer not to shoot through and out to be sure the bullet delivers all its energy in the animal. I am myself not of that school, but must admit I have my "wisdom" from reading rather than practical hunting!

Gotcha.. I like all three you stated and love the 6.5x55. Hopefully you can get out hunting more. Thanks for the clarification..