GO-JO hand cleaner warning for stocks - Page 2

Oxford · 03-18-2005, 02:09 PM

It's good to hear that you've nearly completely recovered, Stock Doc and I'm glad that you're able to continue your profession. :right:

leemozoid · 03-18-2005, 05:27 PM

Ok, here's a stupid question, Rick. I have seen some espouse using an under-counter diswasher to clean heavily oiled stocks. Have you given any thought to that? It seems that it would be non-abrasive (just using the hot water and heated dry) to remove the Go Jo and excess water. I'd love to hear what you think about it.

Stock Doc · 03-18-2005, 11:05 PM

I have a friend who used this method allot and he had a few stocks crack and I mean crack good. The intense heat opened them up in some cases really bad. Personally I do not do it and with the amount of stocks I do I would ruin a expensive washer pretty quickly I bet with all that oil. Also remember you are steaming and possibly getting this in the air and the room which isn't a good thing. Linseed oils carry many harmful chemicals.
I have been improving my methods over the years and stayed close as I go as to not harm these stocks. There may be faster ways for the guy who is doing the occasional stock but I refuse to take the easy route which in many cases harms the wood. I treat each piece as if it was my own.
Steve how did you like Bruce Canfield talking about hand carved Winchester stocks in the American Rifleman. I wonder who he stole that from???? No one would believe it and now he put it in print after Bodyman and I have tried to get people to believe it.

TULAver · 03-19-2005, 08:22 AM

The dishwasher method will work, but I'd be wary of everything that StockDoc mentioned, not the LEAST of which is the awful chemical smell that comes from washing a surplus riflestock in the dishwasher.

If you intend to try this, i suggest using a vat/large pan of hot water(rubbermaid bins should work nicely) and dishwashing detergent. Dishwasher detergent these days is mostly bleach based, with smaller amounts of phosphates than in the past, so keep in mind that any effects present with using bleach on wood WILL be present when using dishwashing detergent. There will be a significant colour loss, wether it's apparent to your eyes or not.

A heated pressure washer running a mixture of water/detergent will do a stock up nice qite quickly, and you can tweak the temp/pressure to a safe level for the wood. But how many people have access to that sort of thing?

Alternately, a regular presure washer(cheap electric model should be plenty stong enough) with a bucket of warm solution will probably work too.

If you're working with something that has historical value, then I'd disregard everything I said and stick with StockDoc's methods. Proof is in the pics, and he has shown them.

edit* also if you DO stick one in the dishwasher, make sure you turn off the drying cycle, that's when things get REALLy hot in there. I've even seen dishwasher "safe" dishes ruined that way. I'd imagine that's where a lot of the cracking comes happens when people wash them that way.

leemozoid · 03-19-2005, 12:02 PM

There have been a few mentions on Bruce's article concerning some of the statements.

I have a stock I'm going to try in the dishwasher. I'll be sure to pull it out before the drying cycle. It's a rat so I won't be bothered if it's hurt, but I'd like to see how it does. I'll just have to wait until the Mrs. is going to be out of the house for 90 or so minutes!

Dookiebutt · 03-20-2005, 11:00 AM

It is my understanding that you cured your shoulder problems with thrice-daily applications of Go-Jo handcleaner. Have you used it for any other medical conditions? If so, please advise. With concerns over Vioxx and Celebrex, I am sure many members would like more information.

Similarly, it is my understanding that a frequent poster on CSP actually used Go-Jo to re-grow his hair. Are you familiar with this person? Have you tried Go-Jo as a male pattern baldness cure/treatment?

Stock Doc · 03-20-2005, 02:12 PM

WOW I got a nice email over a discussion about he GO-JO deal with this person who made it so I posted this thread and a few other things thathe has done that bothered me. Here is the nice response I got back hahahahahah.

OK - glad you feel better.
You do know that you are paranoid and delusional - get help. You will likely be quite a person after you do. At this point in time, anything and everything else I could say to you about all this would likely be a waste of time and effort.
Good day and best of luck in your future endeavors . . .

:insane: Name withheld :insane:

I guess when you are full of yourself this is how you treat a person who confided in you with all of his findings over the years thinking you are building a bond only to find out they apparently are full of themselves and have other interests with your information. I wonder if a book is in order now so I am not needed. Darn shame someone you trusted with allot of private information can turn like this. Rick B

Thrawn · 03-20-2005, 02:48 PM

After looking at your pictures I belive I can trust your methods.:nod: Another site I browse holds heating the stock in an oven religiously, don't even dare mention about water getting near them. Call me paranoid, but the thought of putting a grease soaked stock in an oven just makes me nervous, even at low temp. Besides most military stocks are too long too fit, including my Turkish Mauser.

jimb2 · 03-20-2005, 09:15 PM

After meeting Ric, seeing and purchasing some of his stocks, and listening/reading about his methods, I really don't think I'd pay much attention to anyone else.
Ric...Are you going to Medina or Wilmington?

TULAver · 03-20-2005, 11:33 PM

I've seen people restore old sword handles and gun stocks by sticking them in a Kiln and letting the heat supposedly drive the collected oils, waxes, blood, etc up to the surface. I suppose an Oven would do the same thing, but I'd never try it myself either.

If I had some scrap to test on, I'd try it. Kiln too. Sort of like that old joke: If I had some bread I'd make you a ham sandwich, if I had some ham...

Full MeTal Jack · 03-20-2005, 11:37 PM

Yeah buddy! I've no longer need Stock Doc's sevices. I progressed to the manmade plastic and steel, er, ah, aluminum of the AR.
No really!
Thanks Mr. B for your service and advice over the past several years. That 03-A3 FJA stock you repaired is still going strong.
Ya know, Rick B can give all your ingredients to stock refinishing but when it comes to you doing it, you do it yourself and FUBAR!

Dookiebutt · 04-06-2005, 08:36 PM

All joking aside, Rick B. knows his !!!!!. I have seen his work first hand. For example when we (I) dropped the stock to a fine Johnson rifle, a thumb sized chunk flew off of it. I was in shock. Rick B. was not even concerned. I was back in a few days and even though I knew it was broken, I could not find the repair.

Similarly, I have seen his refinishing first hand. All I can say is WOW.

gunssb · 04-06-2005, 08:40 PM

Those instructions are helping me out a lot :right: I'm a newbie at finishing stocks so had no clue - had heard all sorts of opinions.

leemozoid · 04-08-2005, 02:43 PM

Well, I did a stock in the dishwasher. I used a half load of the powdered detergent and pulled it from the unit after the rinse and before the heat dry cycles. Lo and behold, the sucker had an EMcF cartouche under all that grime. I knew it was an EMcF range stock from the characteristics (early scooped clip latch, but short channel and large lower buttplate screw hole) but I never expected the cartouche to be there. My, my, my! I let the stock air dry for a week and now it looks like it's ready for oil and caressing. It's a shame it's pretty beaten up. This one could've had potential. Oh, well. I still like the way it came out.

Rick...? Would using the GoJo on it and then rinsing in the dishwasher be a possibility? I didn't get any foul odors, either. Guess I was just lucky. Still, I did it when the Mrs. was away just to be sure! Hey, I may be a Garand collector but I'm not stoopid!

Stock Doc · 04-09-2005, 07:43 PM

Never tried Go-Jo in a dishwasher. Not sure if any advantages would be there. The only thing I heard good about a dishwasher was it would raise some dents but that normaly raises cartouches also. Think of how nice the EMcF would have been after a good hand wash? Do you htink the high heat rasied it some?? Rick B

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/...icture_417.jpg

NorCalAshnjikov · 04-10-2005, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyrene

7mmag6 - Some of these youngsters may not know who Tito was.

He was the leader of Post WWII Yugoslavia (having been one of the main Resistance Leaders against the Germans), and through force and persuasion was able to keep the Bosnians, Serbs, and Croats from fighting. They never forgot their HATE and . . ., but they waited until Tito died to attack each other.

Not quite.
The world powers waited until Tito died and
the USSR was on the verge of breakup to start a conflict.
All that hate business is just propaganda to get the average joe
to join the war effort.

Thrawn · 07-24-2005, 08:12 PM

Been using the Go Jo on two stocks, so far great results!:right: One is a M48+ Yugo mauser that I have repeatedly tried to get cosmo out of. First application of Go Jo, rubbin', and water cleaned about 90%. still has some cosmo seeping out from the magwell and handgrip area. I figure one more try should get the remainder out. The other stock is a m44 and it looks great now, should look really great when stained and shellaced. Thanks Stock Doc!

Stock Doc · 07-24-2005, 10:57 PM

Glad to have helped and very happy you are getting good results. Feel free to holler if you are in need of anything else related to refinishing. Rick B

03-18-2005, 02:09 PM	#21
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,023 Blog Entries: 4	It's good to hear that you've nearly completely recovered, Stock Doc and I'm glad that you're able to continue your profession. :right: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

03-18-2005, 05:27 PM	#22
leemozoid Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SW Missouri Posts: 166	Ok, here's a stupid question, Rick. I have seen some espouse using an under-counter diswasher to clean heavily oiled stocks. Have you given any thought to that? It seems that it would be non-abrasive (just using the hot water and heated dry) to remove the Go Jo and excess water. I'd love to hear what you think about it. __________________ Character is doing what is right when no one is looking. Former Rep. J.C. Watts (Oklahoma)

03-18-2005, 11:05 PM	#23
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 838	I have a friend who used this method allot and he had a few stocks crack and I mean crack good. The intense heat opened them up in some cases really bad. Personally I do not do it and with the amount of stocks I do I would ruin a expensive washer pretty quickly I bet with all that oil. Also remember you are steaming and possibly getting this in the air and the room which isn't a good thing. Linseed oils carry many harmful chemicals. I have been improving my methods over the years and stayed close as I go as to not harm these stocks. There may be faster ways for the guy who is doing the occasional stock but I refuse to take the easy route which in many cases harms the wood. I treat each piece as if it was my own. Steve how did you like Bruce Canfield talking about hand carved Winchester stocks in the American Rifleman. I wonder who he stole that from???? No one would believe it and now he put it in print after Bodyman and I have tried to get people to believe it. __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken!

03-19-2005, 08:22 AM	#24
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	The dishwasher method will work, but I'd be wary of everything that StockDoc mentioned, not the LEAST of which is the awful chemical smell that comes from washing a surplus riflestock in the dishwasher. If you intend to try this, i suggest using a vat/large pan of hot water(rubbermaid bins should work nicely) and dishwashing detergent. Dishwasher detergent these days is mostly bleach based, with smaller amounts of phosphates than in the past, so keep in mind that any effects present with using bleach on wood WILL be present when using dishwashing detergent. There will be a significant colour loss, wether it's apparent to your eyes or not. A heated pressure washer running a mixture of water/detergent will do a stock up nice qite quickly, and you can tweak the temp/pressure to a safe level for the wood. But how many people have access to that sort of thing? Alternately, a regular presure washer(cheap electric model should be plenty stong enough) with a bucket of warm solution will probably work too. If you're working with something that has historical value, then I'd disregard everything I said and stick with StockDoc's methods. Proof is in the pics, and he has shown them. edit* also if you DO stick one in the dishwasher, make sure you turn off the drying cycle, that's when things get REALLy hot in there. I've even seen dishwasher "safe" dishes ruined that way. I'd imagine that's where a lot of the cracking comes happens when people wash them that way. __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination. Last edited by TULAver; 03-19-2005 at 08:27 AM.

03-19-2005, 12:02 PM	#25
leemozoid Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SW Missouri Posts: 166	There have been a few mentions on Bruce's article concerning some of the statements. I have a stock I'm going to try in the dishwasher. I'll be sure to pull it out before the drying cycle. It's a rat so I won't be bothered if it's hurt, but I'd like to see how it does. I'll just have to wait until the Mrs. is going to be out of the house for 90 or so minutes! __________________ Character is doing what is right when no one is looking. Former Rep. J.C. Watts (Oklahoma)

03-20-2005, 11:00 AM	#26
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 1,163	It is my understanding that you cured your shoulder problems with thrice-daily applications of Go-Jo handcleaner. Have you used it for any other medical conditions? If so, please advise. With concerns over Vioxx and Celebrex, I am sure many members would like more information. Similarly, it is my understanding that a frequent poster on CSP actually used Go-Jo to re-grow his hair. Are you familiar with this person? Have you tried Go-Jo as a male pattern baldness cure/treatment?

03-20-2005, 02:12 PM	#27
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 838	WOW I got a nice email over a discussion about he GO-JO deal with this person who made it so I posted this thread and a few other things thathe has done that bothered me. Here is the nice response I got back hahahahahah. OK - glad you feel better. You do know that you are paranoid and delusional - get help. You will likely be quite a person after you do. At this point in time, anything and everything else I could say to you about all this would likely be a waste of time and effort. Good day and best of luck in your future endeavors . . . :insane: Name withheld :insane: I guess when you are full of yourself this is how you treat a person who confided in you with all of his findings over the years thinking you are building a bond only to find out they apparently are full of themselves and have other interests with your information. I wonder if a book is in order now so I am not needed. Darn shame someone you trusted with allot of private information can turn like this. Rick B __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken! Last edited by Stock Doc; 03-20-2005 at 07:20 PM.

03-20-2005, 02:48 PM	#28
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	We're al a little crazy. It's called a difference of opinion. After looking at your pictures I belive I can trust your methods.:nod: Another site I browse holds heating the stock in an oven religiously, don't even dare mention about water getting near them. Call me paranoid, but the thought of putting a grease soaked stock in an oven just makes me nervous, even at low temp. Besides most military stocks are too long too fit, including my Turkish Mauser.

03-20-2005, 09:15 PM	#29
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	After meeting Ric, seeing and purchasing some of his stocks, and listening/reading about his methods, I really don't think I'd pay much attention to anyone else. Ric...Are you going to Medina or Wilmington? __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

03-20-2005, 11:33 PM	#30
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	I've seen people restore old sword handles and gun stocks by sticking them in a Kiln and letting the heat supposedly drive the collected oils, waxes, blood, etc up to the surface. I suppose an Oven would do the same thing, but I'd never try it myself either. If I had some scrap to test on, I'd try it. Kiln too. Sort of like that old joke: If I had some bread I'd make you a ham sandwich, if I had some ham... __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

03-20-2005, 11:37 PM	#31
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,427 Images: 1	Yeah buddy! I've no longer need Stock Doc's sevices. I progressed to the manmade plastic and steel, er, ah, aluminum of the AR. No really! Thanks Mr. B for your service and advice over the past several years. That 03-A3 FJA stock you repaired is still going strong. Ya know, Rick B can give all your ingredients to stock refinishing but when it comes to you doing it, you do it yourself and FUBAR! __________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg

04-06-2005, 08:36 PM	#32
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 1,163	All joking aside, Rick B. knows his !!!!!. I have seen his work first hand. For example when we (I) dropped the stock to a fine Johnson rifle, a thumb sized chunk flew off of it. I was in shock. Rick B. was not even concerned. I was back in a few days and even though I knew it was broken, I could not find the repair. Similarly, I have seen his refinishing first hand. All I can say is WOW.

04-06-2005, 08:40 PM	#33
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	Those instructions are helping me out a lot :right: I'm a newbie at finishing stocks so had no clue - had heard all sorts of opinions.

04-08-2005, 02:43 PM	#34
leemozoid Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SW Missouri Posts: 166	Well, I did a stock in the dishwasher. I used a half load of the powdered detergent and pulled it from the unit after the rinse and before the heat dry cycles. Lo and behold, the sucker had an EMcF cartouche under all that grime. I knew it was an EMcF range stock from the characteristics (early scooped clip latch, but short channel and large lower buttplate screw hole) but I never expected the cartouche to be there. My, my, my! I let the stock air dry for a week and now it looks like it's ready for oil and caressing. It's a shame it's pretty beaten up. This one could've had potential. Oh, well. I still like the way it came out. Rick...? Would using the GoJo on it and then rinsing in the dishwasher be a possibility? I didn't get any foul odors, either. Guess I was just lucky. Still, I did it when the Mrs. was away just to be sure! Hey, I may be a Garand collector but I'm not stoopid! __________________ Character is doing what is right when no one is looking. Former Rep. J.C. Watts (Oklahoma)

04-09-2005, 07:43 PM	#35
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 838	Never tried Go-Jo in a dishwasher. Not sure if any advantages would be there. The only thing I heard good about a dishwasher was it would raise some dents but that normaly raises cartouches also. Think of how nice the EMcF would have been after a good hand wash? Do you htink the high heat rasied it some?? Rick B http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/...icture_417.jpg __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken!

07-24-2005, 08:12 PM	#37
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	Been using the Go Jo on two stocks, so far great results!:right: One is a M48+ Yugo mauser that I have repeatedly tried to get cosmo out of. First application of Go Jo, rubbin', and water cleaned about 90%. still has some cosmo seeping out from the magwell and handgrip area. I figure one more try should get the remainder out. The other stock is a m44 and it looks great now, should look really great when stained and shellaced. Thanks Stock Doc!

07-24-2005, 10:57 PM	#38
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 838	Glad to have helped and very happy you are getting good results. Feel free to holler if you are in need of anything else related to refinishing. Rick B __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken!