Rage

Rusted Angel · 10-12-2009, 08:27 AM

I went hunting las Saturday afternoon, arround 6pm I saw a nice buck, I called him with my buck roar, he came and stopped at 30 yards, broadside, I picked the spot and release a gold tip tipped with a 2 blade rage broadhead pushed by 70# from my Mathews Swithcback with drop away arrow rest, you can't get more speed with all of this so you epect a pass thru and a good blod trail, well......... the buck took off with my arrow hanging on his right side, it look like he had half arrow hanging out the body.

I look fot it for a couple of hours, lots of blod, then it thins out but no luck, I finaly call a friend to borrow his dog, he drove an hour just to help me out but no luck, I went home and next day I serched again with only 20 more yards of a few blod drops, I'm sorry but I did not find my buck! but I did see my arrow, just 20 yards from where I shot, the broad head do not have blandes nor roll pin, so I think the broadhead failed, with 70 3 behind it it sould just pass the animal and make a faster kill, I'll never find out what really happend but I'll send an e-mail to range to request an explanation, why or how the blades just fell off the broadhead?

wunhunglo · 10-12-2009, 08:34 AM

So more ammunition for the anti-hunters to use against those who hunt??? Another animal left to a lingering painful death??

jerry · 10-12-2009, 08:35 AM

What signs were on the arrow shaft? What color was the blood? Do you know 100% where the hit was? Iv'e seen a lot of mangled broadheads, and some that people have used over again more than once or twice. Usually hitting bone does an number on them.
Sorry you lost your deer.

jerry · 10-12-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

So more ammunition for the anti-hunters to use against those who hunt??? Another animal left to a lingering painful death??

Unfortunately, it happens with bow hunting, but not often. We still whack far more with the vehicles (crippled and killed most times left to rot). The percentage of wounded/lost deer has to be very very minute. Sounds like the guy did everything he could. That's one of the obligations we make for the animal as it provides for us.

Rusted Angel · 10-12-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

So more ammunition for the anti-hunters to use against those who hunt??? Another animal left to a lingering painful death??

I feel I pay my respect to the animal, I search for a long time, when I walked more than 300 yards and lost all sign of blod, theres is no much I can do about it, is not like I quit right away, I search Saturday night until very late and Sunday morning until 1 pm

Rusted Angel · 10-12-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jerry

What signs were on the arrow shaft? What color was the blood? Do you know 100% where the hit was? Iv'e seen a lot of mangled broadheads, and some that people have used over again more than once or twice. Usually hitting bone does an number on them.
Sorry you lost your deer.

I'll take some pics and I'll post them.

The shaft has good blod but only about a third of it, it has hair in the O ring.
I know my shot was just a little high and back to the rear but in lung area, I don't think I hit bone because the blade on the tip of the broadhead don't have a dent or anything that looks like it hit bone.
The broadhead was brand new.

Rusted Angel · 10-12-2009, 09:24 AM

Sorry, no pics because I think I got my camera stolen out of my car.

rimfirenut · 10-12-2009, 09:35 AM

Shiz happens... I quit using mechanical broadheads a few years back, I had a bad experience with rage 2 blade also, the head failed miserably, the cut on contact tip folded over and also the blades were broken and penetration was minimal at best, I think 2" of cut may be to much. I shoot a 70# mathews q2 with gold tip pro hunter arrows, went back to my normal thing (trophy ridge ultimate steel 3 blade 100 grain or muzzy 3 blade 100's) and have never had a problem since.. Sometimes technology sounds good but doesnt live up to expectations. I am sure alot of archers have success with mechanicals but bone does crazy things when they get in the way, that is why these pieces of crap are illegal in some states...

rimfirenut · 10-12-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusted Angel

I'll take some pics and I'll post them.

The shaft has good blod but only about a third of it, it has hair in the O ring.
I know my shot was just a little high and back to the rear but in lung area, I don't think I hit bone because the blade on the tip of the broadhead don't have a dent or anything that looks like it hit bone.
The broadhead was brand new.

The infamous 1 lung hit, he will survive, the white tailed deer has a strong will to live. I had a 1 lunger 2 years ago and tracked her for hours, heck more like days, seen her while turkey hunting the following spring and she was fine, knew it was her by the scare's on her side... mechanical's again

rimfirenut · 10-12-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

So more ammunition for the anti-hunters to use against those who hunt??? Another animal left to a lingering painful death??

I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgment on this, not all animals that are wounded die... more survive than you think and become educated from the experience. Vehicles are the #1 cause of death in the U.S. far more than hunters inflict. most of them suffer a lingering painful death... Maybe we all should stop driving and start walking??

oklahoma hunter · 10-12-2009, 10:02 AM

i gota agree on broad head failure .....and that aint never good................................sorry you lost your deer man........................................were are you located in Indiana, i was in West Lafayette from tues to sat

Snowman · 10-12-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

So more ammunition for the anti-hunters to use against those who hunt??? Another animal left to a lingering painful death??

Very quick to judge. I think the guy did all he could to recover the animal. Things like this, unfortunate as they may be, do happen.

deerhuntertyler · 10-12-2009, 05:03 PM

I have herd many bad storys about about the machanicle broadheads and they havent been out for very long so that means to me that something is wrong with them. I'll stick with my Muzzy MX-3s. I'm sorry you lost your deer. It really sucks when that happens, but it sounds like you did all you could.

thrillbilly · 10-13-2009, 02:36 AM

That's why I don't use mechanicals...I used Thunderheads in the past and Muzzies now.

My nephew just had to have some Rage heads last year (watched to many sponsored hunting shows I reckon)...he shot a doe at about 25 yards... she fell over but was alive, so he gave her a mercy shot...was laying on side with back towards him, so he hit her in the spine, the rage just stuck in the spine. He had a muzzie tipped arrow in his quiver, so he shot her the third time with that. The first rage only penetrated about halfway in (broadside, in the ribs), the second rage didn't even break the spine, just hung in it. The muzzie busted the spine and went all the way through, until the head buried in the dirt.

My nephew got rid of the rage heads and went back to the muzzies. Sometimes ya just have to learn on your own I reckon.

Chromie · 10-13-2009, 11:28 AM

sorry you lost your deer, this isn't the first I've heard of the Rage broadheads causing trouble...a guy came in the local shop last week tell horror stories of the three does he shot and still hadn't had a pass-through...I was gonna give them a try but I think I'll stick to what I know, for now...

Thrillbilly, just out of curiosity were the trouble heads 2 or three blades?

BaserRonin · 10-13-2009, 06:19 PM

To be fair, when cleaning an animal I always do a real careful search before blindly running my hands around inside. I have been cut before by old broadheads left in elk. You are certainly not the first to lose a broadhead.

Rusted Angel · 10-14-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rimfirenut

The infamous 1 lung hit, he will survive, the white tailed deer has a strong will to live. I had a 1 lunger 2 years ago and tracked her for hours, heck more like days, seen her while turkey hunting the following spring and she was fine, knew it was her by the scare's on her side... mechanical's again

I hope he can make it, I like to see it again.

Rusted Angel · 10-14-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oklahoma hunter

i gota agree on broad head failure .....and that aint never good................................sorry you lost your deer man........................................were are you located in Indiana, i was in West Lafayette from tues to sat

I hunt in Huntington, public land and once in a while, I hunt in Kendalville, private land.

GlennM · 10-14-2009, 07:17 PM

My wife's cousin hit his with a 2-blade Rage this past weekend... a nice doe. He told me (because he knows I have the same broadhead on mine) that it punched a hole on the exist hole that looked like it'd been hit with a shotgun slug. He found the doe within 150 yards, a decent shot (lungs) but it didn't hit the heart. I didn't see it, but he told me the blood trail could've been followed by a blind man.

Sorry you lost your deer... but with a bow, there's no guarantees and that's the nature of our game. That's why it's so challenging. Good luck with the next one... I wouldn't toss the Rage's yet.

I'm going early next week... Will give y'all an update if I get a shot.

Rusted Angel · 10-14-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deerhuntertyler

I have herd many bad storys about about the machanicle broadheads and they havent been out for very long so that means to me that something is wrong with them. I'll stick with my Muzzy MX-3s. I'm sorry you lost your deer. It really sucks when that happens, but it sounds like you did all you could.

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Originally Posted by thrillbilly

That's why I don't use mechanicals...I used Thunderheads in the past and Muzzies now.

My nephew just had to have some Rage heads last year (watched to many sponsored hunting shows I reckon)...he shot a doe at about 25 yards... she fell over but was alive, so he gave her a mercy shot...was laying on side with back towards him, so he hit her in the spine, the rage just stuck in the spine. He had a muzzie tipped arrow in his quiver, so he shot her the third time with that. The first rage only penetrated about halfway in (broadside, in the ribs), the second rage didn't even break the spine, just hung in it. The muzzie busted the spine and went all the way through, until the head buried in the dirt.

My nephew got rid of the rage heads and went back to the muzzies. Sometimes ya just have to learn on your own I reckon.

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Originally Posted by Chromie

sorry you lost your deer, this isn't the first I've heard of the Rage broadheads causing trouble...a guy came in the local shop last week tell horror stories of the three does he shot and still hadn't had a pass-through...I was gonna give them a try but I think I'll stick to what I know, for now...

Thrillbilly, just out of curiosity were the trouble heads 2 or three blades?

Thanks you all for sharing.
I talked to Rage people and they told me that they had problems with the roll pin that holds the blades in place and when is deployed, it takes all of the impact and can break, they told me that they have not heard a problem like that in a long time, they told me also that I need to send the bad broadhead and I sould get a free pack and I said, "that won't bring my buck back" but that's all they can do and apologize.

I got pics now, I'll upload them in a few.

10-12-2009, 08:34 AM	#2
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,102	So more ammunition for the anti-hunters to use against those who hunt??? Another animal left to a lingering painful death?? __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

10-12-2009, 05:03 PM	#13
deerhuntertyler Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Medford MN Posts: 412	I have herd many bad storys about about the machanicle broadheads and they havent been out for very long so that means to me that something is wrong with them. I'll stick with my Muzzy MX-3s. I'm sorry you lost your deer. It really sucks when that happens, but it sounds like you did all you could. __________________ I'm a farm boy who definitely isn't afraid of hard work! If its worth doing, its worth doing right!

10-13-2009, 02:36 AM	#14
thrillbilly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozark Hill Country Posts: 2,611	That's why I don't use mechanicals...I used Thunderheads in the past and Muzzies now. My nephew just had to have some Rage heads last year (watched to many sponsored hunting shows I reckon)...he shot a doe at about 25 yards... she fell over but was alive, so he gave her a mercy shot...was laying on side with back towards him, so he hit her in the spine, the rage just stuck in the spine. He had a muzzie tipped arrow in his quiver, so he shot her the third time with that. The first rage only penetrated about halfway in (broadside, in the ribs), the second rage didn't even break the spine, just hung in it. The muzzie busted the spine and went all the way through, until the head buried in the dirt. My nephew got rid of the rage heads and went back to the muzzies. Sometimes ya just have to learn on your own I reckon. __________________ *" I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on."* John Wayne

10-13-2009, 06:19 PM	#16
BaserRonin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: CO Posts: 1,139	To be fair, when cleaning an animal I always do a real careful search before blindly running my hands around inside. I have been cut before by old broadheads left in elk. You are certainly not the first to lose a broadhead. __________________ "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favour of vegetarianism" ~ R. W. Inge

10-14-2009, 07:17 PM	#19
GlennM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 356 Blog Entries: 1	My wife's cousin hit his with a 2-blade Rage this past weekend... a nice doe. He told me (because he knows I have the same broadhead on mine) that it punched a hole on the exist hole that looked like it'd been hit with a shotgun slug. He found the doe within 150 yards, a decent shot (lungs) but it didn't hit the heart. I didn't see it, but he told me the blood trail could've been followed by a blind man. Sorry you lost your deer... but with a bow, there's no guarantees and that's the nature of our game. That's why it's so challenging. Good luck with the next one... I wouldn't toss the Rage's yet. I'm going early next week... Will give y'all an update if I get a shot. __________________ *The Cataclysm Scroll* is now available! www.gmillercompanies.com

10-12-2009, 08:27 AM	#1
Rusted Angel Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 66	Rage I went hunting las Saturday afternoon, arround 6pm I saw a nice buck, I called him with my buck roar, he came and stopped at 30 yards, broadside, I picked the spot and release a gold tip tipped with a 2 blade rage broadhead pushed by 70# from my Mathews Swithcback with drop away arrow rest, you can't get more speed with all of this so you epect a pass thru and a good blod trail, well......... the buck took off with my arrow hanging on his right side, it look like he had half arrow hanging out the body. I look fot it for a couple of hours, lots of blod, then it thins out but no luck, I finaly call a friend to borrow his dog, he drove an hour just to help me out but no luck, I went home and next day I serched again with only 20 more yards of a few blod drops, I'm sorry but I did not find my buck! but I did see my arrow, just 20 yards from where I shot, the broad head do not have blandes nor roll pin, so I think the broadhead failed, with 70 3 behind it it sould just pass the animal and make a faster kill, I'll never find out what really happend but I'll send an e-mail to range to request an explanation, why or how the blades just fell off the broadhead?

10-12-2009, 08:35 AM	#3
jerry Short Time Shirt Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13,228 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	What signs were on the arrow shaft? What color was the blood? Do you know 100% where the hit was? Iv'e seen a lot of mangled broadheads, and some that people have used over again more than once or twice. Usually hitting bone does an number on them. Sorry you lost your deer.

10-12-2009, 09:24 AM	#7
Rusted Angel Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 66	Sorry, no pics because I think I got my camera stolen out of my car.

10-12-2009, 09:35 AM	#8
rimfirenut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: michigan Posts: 560	Shiz happens... I quit using mechanical broadheads a few years back, I had a bad experience with rage 2 blade also, the head failed miserably, the cut on contact tip folded over and also the blades were broken and penetration was minimal at best, I think 2" of cut may be to much. I shoot a 70# mathews q2 with gold tip pro hunter arrows, went back to my normal thing (trophy ridge ultimate steel 3 blade 100 grain or muzzy 3 blade 100's) and have never had a problem since.. Sometimes technology sounds good but doesnt live up to expectations. I am sure alot of archers have success with mechanicals but bone does crazy things when they get in the way, that is why these pieces of crap are illegal in some states...

10-12-2009, 10:02 AM	#11
oklahoma hunter Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma Posts: 60	i gota agree on broad head failure .....and that aint never good................................sorry you lost your deer man........................................were are you located in Indiana, i was in West Lafayette from tues to sat

10-13-2009, 11:28 AM	#15
Chromie Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Williamsburg, MO Posts: 71	sorry you lost your deer, this isn't the first I've heard of the Rage broadheads causing trouble...a guy came in the local shop last week tell horror stories of the three does he shot and still hadn't had a pass-through...I was gonna give them a try but I think I'll stick to what I know, for now... Thrillbilly, just out of curiosity were the trouble heads 2 or three blades?