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CrazyIvan · 09-06-2007, 12:25 PM

Picked up my permit today. WHOO HOO!

ezearln · 09-06-2007, 12:27 PM

Congratulation CI!

rondog · 09-06-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by troylaplante

That happens to me constantly, and has for years.

Me too! Really strange, always wondered if I was some kind of mutant or something.....

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

**** dudes...my CCW class was a private (govt. approved) class and it cost me $225. Then $100 to CBI (Colorado BI) and $52.50 to some other investagative organization. Not to mention the 4 page application, you have to prove your residency not only with a driver's license/ID, but with a Landowners letter (if you lease) or a phone bill or whatever. Then there is the original copy of the CCW Class certificate you have to have, signed in blue or red ink by the instructor. LOL...quite the ordeal. Then, it is 90 days for approval and issue date. Lucky dogs, all y'all...hah.

You live in the wrong county, Ivan. You're in Englewood, look at all the flakes roaming the streets there, the LE folks have to keep them from getting permits.

I'm in Douglas county, and all that's required is a certificate from an "NRA Gun Safety class". I also took a private CCW class, in Aurora, for $150, but there's cheaper ones around that are just as legal. The "shooting test" was basically just a test of gun handling safety. It didn't matter at all if you could even hit the paper, as long as we could handle the guns properly the way we were told to.

The $100 fee is for your sheriff's dept., because state law says they can charge up to $100 for processing the application. The $52.50 is for the CBI background check. Didn't need no landowners letter/phone bill/whatever, just my d/l.

And my permit came in exactly 3 weeks, just like the deputy said it would!

Another good thing about Colorado; if you can legally purchase a handgun, you can legally carry it loaded in your car or on your motorcycle for self-defense, without a permit. Long guns, like rifle and shotguns, can be vehicle carried loaded, but without a round chambered.

CrazyIvan · 09-07-2007, 11:16 AM

RD:

Some of us don't have the resources to live in Yuppie-ville...

hehe.

It was funny. I was listening to the radio the other day and some folks in, I think, Parker were in a new, covenanted neighborhood. One neighbor had mold in their house, and was trying to deal with the builder to get rid of it, but it was taking too long. So, they got a motor home, parked it in the driveway and are living in it. The neighbors and HOA were complaining and filing a lawsuit against the neighbors with the motor home.

I was thinking: If all you have to worry about is a dammmn Shiney Winnebago sitting in a driveway, ya'll need to come over to my neighborhood. Dump trucks from the 60's parked in the grass, burning trash, weed-replaced grass, and so high you could hide a body in them and it would never be found...homes with rotting siding and rolled up shingles...

All those yuppies need to come take a look at my neighborhood then decide if that shiney new motor home in the neighbors' driveway was so bad.

On a lighter note, I got an idea to start a new insurance company:

"Ghetto Insurance"

"We cover things those gringo companies don't: Broken windows, slashed tires, graffitti removal and so many other things you don't have the money to pay to repair because someone wanted to be an a**hole..."

LOL, now that might be a provitable company.

Dierte · 09-08-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

RD:

Some of us don't have the resources to live in Yuppie-ville...

hehe.

It was funny. I was listening to the radio the other day and some folks in, I think, Parker were in a new, covenanted neighborhood. One neighbor had mold in their house, and was trying to deal with the builder to get rid of it, but it was taking too long. So, they got a motor home, parked it in the driveway and are living in it. The neighbors and HOA were complaining and filing a lawsuit against the neighbors with the motor home.

I was thinking: If all you have to worry about is a dammmn Shiney Winnebago sitting in a driveway, ya'll need to come over to my neighborhood. Dump trucks from the 60's parked in the grass, burning trash, weed-replaced grass, and so high you could hide a body in them and it would never be found...homes with rotting siding and rolled up shingles...

All those yuppies need to come take a look at my neighborhood then decide if that shiney new motor home in the neighbors' driveway was so bad.

On a lighter note, I got an idea to start a new insurance company:

"Ghetto Insurance"

"We cover things those gringo companies don't: Broken windows, slashed tires, graffitti removal and so many other things you don't have the money to pay to repair because someone wanted to be an a**hole..."

LOL, now that might be a provitable company.

I think you'de be quite successful in my neck of the woods

Cyrano · 10-29-2007, 10:45 PM

Man, it seems you folks down south and in the Midwest have it easier than do we citizens of New York State! At least you seem to have rules that are consistent across the whole state when it comes to CCW permits. Wish ours were.

Up here in New York, the process varies from county to county. We don't have statewide rules. Why? Beats me; unless it's because Albany figures the needs and desirability of a CCW vary so dramatically based on the environment and the population. For what it's worth, the more rural your county of residence is, the easier getting a permit seems to be.

The county north of me is essentially walk in, pay your money for the FBI check, and shortly thereafter you have your permit. Down in Sodom on Hudson, of course, getting a CCW is next to impossible even if you know Bloomberg personally (or maybe because you know Bloomberg personally). But my local gun shop says what I'm going through is typical of the required hoop-jumping in most counties in the Empire State.

Here's the breakdown.

First, you have to go to the county seat and get the forms in person - they County Clerk will not mail them to you. The, you have to fill them out in black ink. Any blue ink, even for a signature, and the form will be rejected for not being correctly filled out.

Second, you must provide the names and addresses of four people who will vouch for you as being an upstanding, sane citizen worthy of the trust implied by the granting of a CCW permit. The county has even gotten a little progressive here. When I first moved here 20 years back, the only references the county would accept were of people who lived in the county, were not related to you, and who had known you for at least five years. Nowadays, all they want is four references and you can even use relatives if you want to.

You also have to provide four (4) business size envelopes, stamped, addressed one each to each of your references, for the county to mail the Q & A form to. You don't get to see the forms, but they are fairly standard. How long have you known the applicant? Has he ever, to your knowledge, been convicted of a felony? Has he ever, to your knowledge, done time in a psychiatric hospital? What else can you tell us about him? Things like that.

You must provide six passport-size photos taken within 30 days of submission of the application. They must be real photos, too, not Polaroids or computer printouts. That will run you about $35.

You must provide proof you have passed a pistol safety course. The County runs one once a month for free, but it's not recognized by the NRA and is useless if you go to apply for a permit elsewhere, such as in an adjoining state that has a good firing range. Smart applicants go through an NRA-certified course, which is offered once a month by most of the local gun shops. That's another $100. Bring the original certificate with you; the county won't accept your photocopy (they make their own instead).

When you've gotten this far, the next step is to call up the County Sheriff's office and make an appointment to come in and be fingerprinted during normal working hours. The Sheriff's Office will accept ONLY U.S. Postal Money Orders made out just so for this service. There's another $105, plus the cost of the PMO, plus the time you have to take to obtain it. According the the Sheriff's Office, the county does not get a cent of that money. It all goes to pay for the FBI to run a background check on you.

Total so far: photos, $35; pistol class, $100; background check fee (not labeled as such), $105, for a total of $240 just to get to the point of submitting your application. Degree of aggravation: middling to substantial.

Presuming the FBI does not find your name on a no-fly list, or discover you have a felony conviction, or that you are a former mental patient who did time in the laughing academy, three or four months later you get your permit. At least in my county, what you will get is a CCW. That also is progressive by New York standards. It used to be the county had a couple of varieties of pistol permits. They had a permit to own a pistol in your own home. There was another one to let you take it from home to the range. There was a third type to allow you to carry a pistol as a backup piece when hunting, There was the CCW permit. And there was a permit to allow you to keep a firearm in your place of business. Fortunately, common sense broke out and the county cut things back to just the CCW Permit and the Premises Permit.

With luck, I'll finally have my CCW permit in January, having started the process in September. After I have my New York permit, I could use some advice.

I've heard that Florida has something called a "nonresident Florida CCW permit." If I understand it correctly, the purpose of this permit is to allow people to carry their pistols from Point A to Point B east of the Mississippi to Florida, no matter what states they transit in between, without being hassled by the cops; but it is a real CCW permit. How does one go about obtaining one of these, and does it do what I think it does - enable you to avoid hassles by police of states you are passing through?

How difficult is it to get a Curio and Relic license from the BATFE? And does a C&R license, which someone told me is a variant of the Class III FFL created to allow collectors to have collectable firearms approved on the BATFE list sent directly to their homes without having to work a transaction through a Class III FFL holder?

Thanks for your attention.

SilverRun · 10-30-2007, 08:44 AM

Wow, it took me $7 and a two week wait to get my CCW.

Anyway, as to your question on the C&R FFL, it is not a variant of a Class III FFL. The class III is a full auto type FFL. THe C&R is a type 03 - don't ask me to explain the brilliant bureaucratic ATF naming process. The C&R will allow you to have C&R eligible firearms shipped to your house unless otherwise prohibited by your state. C&R firearms are any over 50 years old or anything that had been deemed collectible and added to the C&R list. Just as a side note - The C&R has absolutely nothing to do with CCW.

09-06-2007, 12:25 PM	#21
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,342	Picked up my permit today. WHOO HOO! __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

09-06-2007, 12:27 PM	#22
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Congratulation CI! __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

09-07-2007, 11:16 AM	#24
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,342	RD: Some of us don't have the resources to live in Yuppie-ville... hehe. It was funny. I was listening to the radio the other day and some folks in, I think, Parker were in a new, covenanted neighborhood. One neighbor had mold in their house, and was trying to deal with the builder to get rid of it, but it was taking too long. So, they got a motor home, parked it in the driveway and are living in it. The neighbors and HOA were complaining and filing a lawsuit against the neighbors with the motor home. I was thinking: If all you have to worry about is a dammmn Shiney Winnebago sitting in a driveway, ya'll need to come over to my neighborhood. Dump trucks from the 60's parked in the grass, burning trash, weed-replaced grass, and so high you could hide a body in them and it would never be found...homes with rotting siding and rolled up shingles... All those yuppies need to come take a look at my neighborhood then decide if that shiney new motor home in the neighbors' driveway was so bad. On a lighter note, I got an idea to start a new insurance company: "Ghetto Insurance" "We cover things those gringo companies don't: Broken windows, slashed tires, graffitti removal and so many other things you don't have the money to pay to repair because someone wanted to be an a*hole..." LOL, now that might be a provitable company. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me Last edited by CrazyIvan; 09-07-2007 at 11:22 AM.*

10-29-2007, 10:45 PM	#26
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,294	Man, it seems you folks down south and in the Midwest have it easier than do we citizens of New York State! At least you seem to have rules that are consistent across the whole state when it comes to CCW permits. Wish ours were. Up here in New York, the process varies from county to county. We don't have statewide rules. Why? Beats me; unless it's because Albany figures the needs and desirability of a CCW vary so dramatically based on the environment and the population. For what it's worth, the more rural your county of residence is, the easier getting a permit seems to be. The county north of me is essentially walk in, pay your money for the FBI check, and shortly thereafter you have your permit. Down in Sodom on Hudson, of course, getting a CCW is next to impossible even if you know Bloomberg personally (or maybe because you know Bloomberg personally). But my local gun shop says what I'm going through is typical of the required hoop-jumping in most counties in the Empire State. Here's the breakdown. First, you have to go to the county seat and get the forms in person - they County Clerk will not mail them to you. The, you have to fill them out in black ink. Any blue ink, even for a signature, and the form will be rejected for not being correctly filled out. Second, you must provide the names and addresses of four people who will vouch for you as being an upstanding, sane citizen worthy of the trust implied by the granting of a CCW permit. The county has even gotten a little progressive here. When I first moved here 20 years back, the only references the county would accept were of people who lived in the county, were not related to you, and who had known you for at least five years. Nowadays, all they want is four references and you can even use relatives if you want to. You also have to provide four (4) business size envelopes, stamped, addressed one each to each of your references, for the county to mail the Q & A form to. You don't get to see the forms, but they are fairly standard. How long have you known the applicant? Has he ever, to your knowledge, been convicted of a felony? Has he ever, to your knowledge, done time in a psychiatric hospital? What else can you tell us about him? Things like that. You must provide six passport-size photos taken within 30 days of submission of the application. They must be real photos, too, not Polaroids or computer printouts. That will run you about $35. You must provide proof you have passed a pistol safety course. The County runs one once a month for free, but it's not recognized by the NRA and is useless if you go to apply for a permit elsewhere, such as in an adjoining state that has a good firing range. Smart applicants go through an NRA-certified course, which is offered once a month by most of the local gun shops. That's another $100. Bring the original certificate with you; the county won't accept your photocopy (they make their own instead). When you've gotten this far, the next step is to call up the County Sheriff's office and make an appointment to come in and be fingerprinted during normal working hours. The Sheriff's Office will accept ONLY U.S. Postal Money Orders made out just so for this service. There's another $105, plus the cost of the PMO, plus the time you have to take to obtain it. According the the Sheriff's Office, the county does not get a cent of that money. It all goes to pay for the FBI to run a background check on you. Total so far: photos, $35; pistol class, $100; background check fee (not labeled as such), $105, for a total of $240 just to get to the point of submitting your application. Degree of aggravation: middling to substantial. Presuming the FBI does not find your name on a no-fly list, or discover you have a felony conviction, or that you are a former mental patient who did time in the laughing academy, three or four months later you get your permit. At least in my county, what you will get is a CCW. That also is progressive by New York standards. It used to be the county had a couple of varieties of pistol permits. They had a permit to own a pistol in your own home. There was another one to let you take it from home to the range. There was a third type to allow you to carry a pistol as a backup piece when hunting, There was the CCW permit. And there was a permit to allow you to keep a firearm in your place of business. Fortunately, common sense broke out and the county cut things back to just the CCW Permit and the Premises Permit. With luck, I'll finally have my CCW permit in January, having started the process in September. After I have my New York permit, I could use some advice. I've heard that Florida has something called a "nonresident Florida CCW permit." If I understand it correctly, the purpose of this permit is to allow people to carry their pistols from Point A to Point B east of the Mississippi to Florida, no matter what states they transit in between, without being hassled by the cops; but it is a real CCW permit. How does one go about obtaining one of these, and does it do what I think it does - enable you to avoid hassles by police of states you are passing through? How difficult is it to get a Curio and Relic license from the BATFE? And does a C&R license, which someone told me is a variant of the Class III FFL created to allow collectors to have collectable firearms approved on the BATFE list sent directly to their homes without having to work a transaction through a Class III FFL holder? Thanks for your attention.

10-30-2007, 08:44 AM	#27
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	Wow, it took me $7 and a two week wait to get my CCW. Anyway, as to your question on the C&R FFL, it is not a variant of a Class III FFL. The class III is a full auto type FFL. THe C&R is a type 03 - don't ask me to explain the brilliant bureaucratic ATF naming process. The C&R will allow you to have C&R eligible firearms shipped to your house unless otherwise prohibited by your state. C&R firearms are any over 50 years old or anything that had been deemed collectible and added to the C&R list. Just as a side note - The C&R has absolutely nothing to do with CCW.