03-20-2008, 10:12 PM
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... most excellent.
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03-21-2008, 12:53 AM
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Between the State Troopers, the town cops and those of us living amongst our own personal arsenals... anyone with nefarious intent is doomed from the start in this neighborhood. | |
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03-21-2008, 01:00 AM
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That ADT comersial I hope will cause the gun ownig population to grow !!! LOL...A.H
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03-21-2008, 01:04 AM
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03-21-2008, 03:09 PM
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Realistically... the fend off would-be robbers, the best defense is a lot of light and a clear break in cover to keep the knob from even getting to your house. If that is not an option... a loud security alarm like Billy suggests and a prepared homeowner will do the rest. ... a barking dog also helps... To get a better idea... put yourself into the role of a would be robber. How would you approach your house? What would be the best way in without being seen by a neighbor or a passing car? Sometimes playing the part will actually help you prepare for what might come in the middle of the night. |
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03-21-2008, 03:15 PM
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At first I was a casual gun owner. Never kept ammo in the house just target shot whenever I wanted to kill time or have some fun. Then this last December someone tried to break into my home while I was home twice in one month. They tried to kick in my back door and do a smash and grab. When I first heard the loud noise on my back door, I thought it had to be some friends of mine screwing with me. I have three friends as direct neighbors. I get a call the next day from a neighbor and they were robbed. I put two and two together. About 2 and half weeks later the same thing happened, only this time my back door was unlocked so it swung right open. I walked over to the back door and they were gone. I keep ammo in the house now and a magazine with ammo in it ready to be loaded, and cocked and ready to fire. Now I am considering a shotgun since I would never want any of my bullets to go through my walls and into a neighbors house. Then keep my pistols and rifles locked up and secured while at home and keep the shotty handy instead. |
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03-21-2008, 03:19 PM
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... you've gotta be prepared, but remember your use of force rules. If you do not know them, get familiar with them. | |
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03-21-2008, 03:23 PM
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Larry, your shotgun looks nice, but I think its a bit out of what I think my price range should be for a shotgun. I am very familiar with my state laws, and we have a shoot first ask questions later policy in my state if anyone breaks into your home. Now if they actually get shot and run out of your home then it gets hairy I guess. As for shotguns, there is a local gun show next weekend, and I think I have my eye on the Mossberg 500 tactical, since it seems you can buy one cheap and then put a lot of after market on it and build your own shotgun sort of thing. |
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03-21-2008, 11:04 PM
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TLarkin, I will personally vouch for the Mossy 500. I keep an old style "tactical" beside the bed - mag loaded, empty chamber. I used to be against the evil looking stocks for litigation purposes and recommend the plain ones - until I was gifted this Mossy 500. (I had one previous to this, a five shot model with the wooden stocks and the slug barrel fitted.) After experiencing the difference in muzzle flip, I figure Stoner was on to something when it came to recoil control - the shape of the stock, in my case a wire one attached to a synthetic grip - allows the recoil to come straight back and keeps the muzzle flip to a minimum. I would look for that as a feature. I feel sidesaddles are a must. They make reloading so much easier. I have a sling with shells in it, and it doesn't hold a candle to the sidesaddles I've tried. I'm currently in the market. One thing you won't have with a shotgun is a free hand. A weapons mounted light would make sense. I'm looking at one they have at the local Dunham's. It's somewhere in the neighborhood of $50. Even if the light is crap, the mount looks to be worth it. I've even found a use for the heat shield. I was practicing one hot summer day, and the barrel started out hot, then just got hotter as I fired it. The heat waves distorted the target. After I put the heat shield back on, the problem went away. I keep the seven round magazine loaded with five, with the option to top it off with two slugs if I have time to do so, and if they're needed. I live in the country and longer shots are a possibility. The 12 gauge shotgun is probably the most versatile of civilian weapons, and I firmly believe that every house should have a shotgun of some type. The 12 isn't hard at all to master if you're in good condition, and the 20 does just fine too. Josh <><
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03-23-2008, 06:03 PM
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| PUT YOUR CAR KEYS BESIDE YOUR BED AT NIGHT Tell your spouse, your children, your neighbors, your parents your Dr office, the check-out girl at the market, everyone you run across. Put your car keys beside your bed at night. If you hear a noise outside your home or someone trying to get in your house, just press the panic button for your car. The alarm will be set off, and the horn will continue to sound until either you turn it off or the car battery dies. This tip came from a neighborhood watch coordinator. Next time you come home for the night and you start to put your keys away, think of this: It's a security alarm system that you probably already have and requires no installation. Test it. It will go off from most everywhere inside your house and will keep honking until your battery runs down or until you reset it with the button on the key fob chain. It works if you park in your driveway or garage If your car alarm goes off when someone is trying to break in your house, odds are the burglar rapist won't stick around... after a few seconds all the neighbors will be looking out their windows to see who is out there and sure enough the criminal won't want that. And remember to carry your keys while walking to your car in a parking lot. The alarm can work the same way there ..... This is something that should really be shared with everyone. Maybe it could save a life or a sexual abuse crime. |
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03-23-2008, 09:55 PM
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Great idea Larry O! Way to go. Did you know that if a loved one locks them selves out of their car and calls you on a cell phone, you can take the spare key-less entry remote, and point it at your phone while they are pointing their phone at the car and it will unlock it any where in the country. Cheaper than a lock service! 2-11 is also a universal 9-11 self roaming number.
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03-23-2008, 10:48 PM
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03-24-2008, 12:20 AM
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03-24-2008, 12:41 AM
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On a side note, I love what the sticker says on the stock in that picture of your choice in home security. lol
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03-24-2008, 12:43 AM
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Yep...seen it. Shotgun in hand as the door was kicked in...I'd be headed to Home Depot for a new door and probably some spackle and a little paint. BG who knows...thanks for the Castle Doctrine. |
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03-27-2008, 04:30 AM
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Kinda newby question but Id figure Id ask rather than be sorry later. My home has super thin walls and my neighbors are right on the other side of them. That rules out the 12 guage slugs and all my rifles obviosuly.. Im pretty sure that also rules out the 00 shot. Or does it? How much do I have to worry about over penetration with a pistol round? I have .38Special +P, .357mag, .40SW, and .45ACP to choose from. Using Hyrdashoks or ball Last edited by TACAV; 03-27-2008 at 04:40 AM. |
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03-27-2008, 04:52 AM
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The best rule of thumb is: If it will penetrate 'Bad Guy' enough to stop/kill, it will penetrate walls. In other words, shot placement is key. Buckshot will penetrate less, but only slightly less, than a pistol or a rifle round (as per The Box O' Truth testing). But, at the same time, as they demonstrated on TBoT, a shotgun in a hostage situation is much, much worse than a carbine: The Box O' Truth #18 - Sight Off-Set - Page 1 and you could severely injure or kill a loved-one that has been grabbed by an intruder.
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