[Deersniper]

CZ, a great 9mm.

[Drizzdog]

+1 on the Sig, If you don't mind trying one out and taking it for a test run, give one of the used german military sigs a shot first,

Sig Sauer 9mm<br>P6/225<br>Part #SIG-225 - SIG-225

if you are dedicated on a new one and want that to be your carry gun, can't go wrong with a 226, gorgeous weapons, easy to fieldstrip and will generally outshoot the shooter.

[hamburgerhelper]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Me too, I was always a .45 fan, but having 16-18 rounds of +P+ 9mm in hand without reloading seems hard to beat.

cmon Taurus Fan , chime-in with me to help this fella out.....you love tauruses, and so do i.

brokaw8, you mentioned that you wanted a practical and concealable 9mm....well do i ever have a recommendation for you....i own a taurus pt111 millenium-pro series in 9mm.....it is a 12+1 , so it has plenty of medicine, and quite concealable with either a 2 3/4, or 3" barrel avail.

havent seen enough support for these in this thread, nor the whole forums in general, aside from the taurus forum....but these guns are an excellent value in that they will serve you well without breaking the bank...they are an ideallic alternative to the big-name makes, costing much less, but still delivering.

i think (and i'm sure Taurus Fan would agree) that it would be a great middle-of -the-road choice for you....gl in your decision....HH

[mbrokaw8]

Alot of great comments, thanks! I guess I should have added, I'm a short and tshirt or jeans and polo shirt kind of guy, so whatever I get has to fit with my "normal" wordrobe. I have a Glock 19 9mm. It just seem to be a little to big for me to carry. I have a slim build about me.

[stalebiscuit]

a deringer

[jaeger]

I carry a glock 27 with a lone wolf 9mm conversion barrel, and it works great for me. The agency I work for only allows us to carry the caliber we qualify with, otherwise I would have a .45.

[lowercase]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Cyrano

lowercase, take a look at the Bersa Thunder 9mm Ultra Compact. 10 rounds double-stack, 3 1/2" barrel, post and outline sights, controls the same as a M1911A1 except what on the .45 is a slide safety is a decocker on the Bersa. It's thin and will conceal easily. Cost is about $300 with 2 mags, most places. The one thing I dislike about it is a S&W-type integral gun lock ahead of the slide release; but you can simply unlock it and leave it unlocked, so it's not a big deal. Load it with Hornaday TAP 9mm rounds and it will have adequate power for a one-shot stop. 9mm TAP ammo is almost as good as .45 ACP FMJ in terms of delivered stopping power (which I don't say about most 9mm bullets), and the pistol is much easier to conceal than a single-stack .45 ACP because it's thinner. Go to the gun store and take a look at one, why don't you?

I sure will. I've heard nothing but good things about the Bersa.

[gunslinger91]

I carry a couple different guns. Mostly i carry the Sig p229 in 40cal. I will also carry a Glock 17 or 27 on occasion. Then H&K's USP and P2000 would carry easially, then some people like the XD's from Springfield (not one of my favorites but still a quality gun)

[Taurus Fan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by hamburgerhelper

cmon Taurus Fan , chime-in with me to help this fella out.....you love tauruses, and so do i. brokaw8, you mentioned that you wanted a practical and concealable 9mm....well do i ever have a recommendation for you....i own a taurus pt111 millenium-pro series in 9mm.....it is a 12+1 , so it has plenty of medicine, and quite concealable with either a 2 3/4, or 3" barrel avail. havent seen enough support for these in this thread, nor the whole forums in general, aside from the taurus forum....but these guns are an excellent value in that they will serve you well without breaking the bank...they are an ideallic alternative to the big-name makes, costing much less, but still delivering. i think (and i'm sure Taurus Fan would agree) that it would be a great middle-of -the-road choice for you....gl in your decision....HH

Yes, Taurus has a wide variety of guns that will suit your purpose to a T.

Taurus International Manufacturing Inc

[ArkansasHunter]

I wish finding the perfect 9mm semi-auto was easy. The right size means a lot to me because I wear colored T-shirts or knit shirts in the summer months.
I have a broad big build and though I wear loose T's there really isn't room for a medium to large size pistol.
So what brand 9mm that holds a maximum amount of ammo is out there.
It's so easy to decide on a rifle or shotgun to buy, but when it comes to hand guns Shew we it ain't easy.

[oldjarhead]

[quote=GlockMeister;478320]Get a good old reliable Beretta in 9mm. Our military has used them for many years. Only complaint out of any of them was the lack of stopping power unless a head shot or other vital organ shot. quote]

Don't know who you've been talking to but the military version of the Beretta 92 is a piece of cheap alloy junk. Troops hate it because it iseasily damaged (alloy metal), is poorly balanced, and, as you said, is under powered. I've talked with hundreds of Marine and Army personnel and to a man they want the .45 back. The only reason the troops have the Beretta 9mm; it was forced upon them...sort of a 'take or don't have a sidearm' situation. That's what happens when desk-jockeys make procurment decisions. BTW, most of them hate the M4, also, and would love to have the M14 make a come-back.
For a carry...a .45 and a carrier who knows how to use it; or a .380 or 9mm loaded with hydra-shok. Heck, you're only talking a 3 - 4 feet shot.

[squirrelblaster]

i say sig 232 or bersa thunder

[jtuck]

For pistol that's slim, comfortable, and stopping power (if you are really worried about that) I still grab the old Model 19 quite a bit. It's super comfortable in an IWB holster and I can definitely say that stopping power is not a problem. I usually carry my Colt Commander, just because that's what I carry to work everyday, but the 19 is a good choice. My wife loves the 19, and I have to steal it out of her purse from time to time.

[musicmaniac]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Drizzdog

+1 on the Sig, If you don't mind trying one out and taking it for a test run, give one of the used german military sigs a shot first, Sig Sauer 9mm<br>P6/225<br>Part #SIG-225 - SIG-225 if you are dedicated on a new one and want that to be your carry gun, can't go wrong with a 226, gorgeous weapons, easy to fieldstrip and will generally outshoot the shooter.

While I have only shot one once, I loved the Sig 225 also. J&G is selling them for 250 right now.
Sig225 at J&G. I have never shot one yet, but the CZ75 seems like it is worth looking into as well.

[Marine1]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Me too, I was always a .45 fan, but having 16-18 rounds of +P+ 9mm in hand without reloading seems hard to beat.

Para-Ordnance has a high-capacity .45 auto (14+1),....(15) Rounds with their P-14 model as shown below in this photo. I have one. I have fired thousands of rounds through it without any problems. I use USA brand .45 auto 230 grain round nose jacketed bullets, as (semi-jacketed ammo) in most automatics do not perform well without additional loading ramp (polishing, etc), modifications in my experience.

Para-Ordnance P-14 Stats:

Caliber 11.43 mmCartridge 11.43 x 23 mm (.45 ACP)Dimensions and weightTotal weight (with empty magazine)1 100 gOverall length 216 mmBarrel length 127 mmFire characteristicsBullet initial speed250 m/sPractical rate of fire30 - 40 rpmMagazine capacity14 roundsSighting range50 mRange of effective fireover 100 m

The "Para Ordnance" P14-45 pistols are one of the most successful and the most famous clones of the "Colt" Model 1911A1 even outperforming their predecessor. However these Canadian pistols have a number of different technical decisions comparing with the M1911A1.

It is one of the best combat pistols ever built. It is a classic "single-action" pistol. Like it's predecessor's pistol automatic is based on barrel short recoil principle. It executes only single fire. One of the differences comparing with the "Colt" M1911A1 is a barrel fixed with frame.

This feature significantly increases fire accuracy. It has automatic safety built-in in the grip and manual safety. Furthermore it is fitted with firing pin safety.

The "Para Ordnance" P14-45 distinguishes high reliability. These pistols are widely used in target shooting competitions of their high fire accuracy.

Pistol has a larger grip. This feature was caused by a high capacity two row magazines and great dimension cartridge. However P14-45 has surprisingly comfortable handling.

It is fitted with fixed opened sight.

The "Para Ordnance" Pistols are produced in later models:

- The P14-45 is a base model.
- The P14-45LDA is a "double-action" modification of the base model.

- The P12-45 is a compact model of the P14-45, chambered in .45 ACP. Pistol has a shortened barrel, slide and grip. It has a magazine capacity in 12 rounds. This model is the most suitable for self-defense among other "Para Ordnance" pistols as it combines compact dimensions with powerful cartridge and good fire accuracy and additionally enough magazine capacity as well.

- The P10-45 is a subcompact model chambered in .45 ACP with 10 rounds holding magazine.

- The P16-40 is a version of the base model chambered in .40 S&W. It has 16 rounds capacity magazine.

- The P10-40 is a subcompact version of the P16-40. It has a magazine capacity in 10 rounds.

All models of "Para Ordnance" have a simple model marking where the first number shows magazine capacity and the other - caliber. For example P10-40 is a model with 10 rounds holding magazine and is chambered in .40 S&W.

All "Para Ordnance" pistols are available with carbon steel or stainless steel frames. Additionally models chambered in .45 ACP are completed with aluminum alloy frames.

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

I only carry two firearms. A 681 S&W .357 and a Taser. If I dont want to kill em hit em with the Taser. Thats the preferred method for me. But If I have to pull the iron it damm well better be one thats going to put em down and do it fast.

[9mmfan]

The Beretta PX4 or the PX4 compact. Two of the best small 9mm for concealed carry you can get. But that's just my opinion. If I were you I would go to a gun shop that rents guns and try some out and buy the one that's the most comfortable for you to shoot.

[TXplt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by mytemac

I'm also looking to buy a weapon for ccw, For some reason I'm not much of a 9mm guy. I'm looking at the Ruger 345, .45. I shot the 45 a few times in the service. I accually carried a S&W 38 (flight crew), Something "American" about the .45. Any thoughts about the Ruger on this forum?

Rugers make great and strong revolvers. If you want a .45 buy the Sig P220 Carry elite. Gun I shoulda bought 10 years ago. Perfect .45 DA pistol. For .38/357 sp-101

[Aarant]

The Kel-tec P11 is a double stacked version of the PF9. also real small and concealable. The Bersa's are also good carry weapons. My wife owns a .380 and she really likes it.

Mytemac you might try looking at one of the Tanfoglio .45's. been reading alot of good things about the witness models

[Coeloptera]

Quote:       Originally Posted by TXplt

Rugers make great and strong revolvers. If you want a .45 buy the Sig P220 Carry elite. Gun I shoulda bought 10 years ago. Perfect .45 DA pistol. For .38/357 sp-101

My wife has the Ruger P90, that's a .45. Got it a number of years ago and it's great.

But there have been some updates to the series. The P95 has a polyurethane frame reinforced with long strand fiberglass. The frame is strong enough that the slide rails are polymer too. I can't find any reports of problems because of that.

The P95PR (Picatinny Rail) can take a 10 of 15 round mag in 9mm.

Here's one: Ruger P95PR
and at the Ruger site: Ruger P-Series: 9mmCenterfire AutoloadingPistol (P95PR) Overview

I must say, I love the swanky plastic boxes you get a Ruger in, too.

- Coeloptera