Packing in public: Gun owners tired of hiding their weapons embrace 'open carry' - Page 2

Mike Franklin · 06-27-2008, 11:29 AM

'There's no evidence that CC has prevented crime over OC; the opposite is not true.'

Here in Texas, according to DPS info, there has been a drop in violent crime, except for inter-gang warfare. With CC a Bad Guy has to guess who's carrying and who isn't. The Castle Doctrine has really reduced Burglaries too.

LefthandShooter · 06-27-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

Well here in OH we are open carry but Im not sure if it would be wise in my city.

May I ask what city? PM me if you don't want to post it.

Falcon2 · 06-28-2008, 01:07 AM

I now live in AZ where oc is legal, one day as we were going into Walmart I spot this guy carring his pistol cowboy fashon, tied down like the lone ranger, and trying to look real bad ass, he looked totaly STUPID.
Falcon2

06-28-2008, 02:12 AM

ah! I don't care if anyone carries open or concealed...

If the bad guy poses a threat to my family, well, it doesn't matter if we carry open or concealed. I'm pretty sure speer and federal tastes the same to him either way.

Everyone should carry anyhow.

RockB · 06-28-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

I'll see if we can open carry in Arkansas...Who would you call to find out ?

OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost!

Sorry AH. Sucks for us.

Beer Forever · 06-28-2008, 01:02 PM

Is AZ the only right-to-carry state? I can walk into Walgreens with my M4 and I am not breaking a single law. We can open and concealed carry, are we the only ones??

TXplt · 06-28-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by just_a_car

Personally, I'd rather a BG look at me, decide to find an easier target and walk away.

There's a reason criminals are criminals... they're opportunists. They want to find the easiest prey and take advantage of them. If they know you're armed and will likely fight back, they'll move to easier "prey."

There's no evidence that CC has prevented crime over OC; the opposite is not true. I have heard stories of "thugish, gangsta" types walking into a 7-11, seeing an OC'er at the register buying some soda, eyes going wide and scurrying out as quickly as they could.

To also cut off another argument against OC; there is no evidence that OC'er have their guns taken from them by BG's. There are incidents of gun-grabs, but they're from LEO's that have to get in close and go hands-on with BG's. We citizens can keep our distance and most OC'ers are smart enough to use a level-2 or higher holster (Serpa myself) to increase retention.

I wouldn't argue against OC by any means--I think it's great if you're so inclined on a given day. I do disagree in that I don't believe you can "cut off" the argument that you are a greater potential target against an adversary by OC ing. Maybe you'll deter crime in the target of opportunity "coward" type of criminal scenario. However, in the terrorist, psycho, or determined "Dillinger" type of criminal you're the prime threat and thus will be the prime target. You've tipped your hand, and you will be dealt with as a threat first, much as if you were wearing a uniform--you've lost your ability to discreetly draw and fire when attention is not on you. There is evidence of this, by the way. In one example Lester Gillis (AKA Baby Face Nelson) -- a criminal sociopath -- would actively pursue Federal agents and LEO's in an attempt to kill them. The element of tactical surprise remains an important one, exploited by successful military forces throughout history. In any case, in that it's impossible to measure a crime that didn't occur, neither of us will really be able to "prove" any of these assertions--we'll just be able to state them for their relative merits. And, again, I'm certainly for OC as well as CC and am happy to proudly carry.

The ideal scenario is that people can carry without restriction, one way or another. A major social benefit from CC is that a criminal has no idea who's armed and who's not. As such, even the unarmed can enjoy a major benefit derived from those who are armed--A would be attacker doesn't know if you are armed or not and is thus less likely to attack anyone.

big shrek · 06-28-2008, 08:31 PM

Beer, there are only six states that totally prohibit Open Carry.

Florida is one of those states...we were given a choice of CCW or Open, we voted for Open.

blaster · 06-29-2008, 09:52 AM

I too am a firm beliver in the element of suprise but I also believe that open carry shoud be legal.

Jack75 · 07-02-2008, 08:42 PM

ooh man if new york had open carry id get 2 remington 1960s and walk around with that old western style

captsquirrel · 07-13-2008, 08:57 PM

I inquired about open carry with LVMPD via email and they responded although it is legal it is not recommended as this will "certainly cause problems". Nevada law actually has nothing on the books allowing open carry though it isn't prohibited. It quite simply is silent on the matter.
For me personally I carry concealed. It goes back to the element of surprise. I for one am not in any way opposed to open carry.

06-27-2008, 11:29 AM	#21
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	'There's no evidence that CC has prevented crime over OC; the opposite is not true.' Here in Texas, according to DPS info, there has been a drop in violent crime, except for inter-gang warfare. With CC a Bad Guy has to guess who's carrying and who isn't. The Castle Doctrine has really reduced Burglaries too. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

06-28-2008, 01:02 PM	#26
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	Is AZ the only right-to-carry state? I can walk into Walgreens with my M4 and I am not breaking a single law. We can open and concealed carry, are we the only ones?? __________________ Paramedic sks forever

06-28-2008, 08:31 PM	#28
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 456 Images: 37	Beer, there are only six states that totally prohibit Open Carry. Florida is one of those states...we were given a choice of CCW or Open, we voted for Open. __________________ No worry I are just der big dumb troll nevermind dis here notepad I am just countin' ma toes.

06-29-2008, 09:52 AM	#29
blaster Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: big pine key, florida Posts: 435	I too am a firm beliver in the element of suprise but I also believe that open carry shoud be legal. __________________ peace through superior firepower

06-28-2008, 01:07 AM	#23
Falcon2 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mich, Retired to Arizona Posts: 31	I now live in AZ where oc is legal, one day as we were going into Walmart I spot this guy carring his pistol cowboy fashon, tied down like the lone ranger, and trying to look real bad ass, he looked totaly STUPID. Falcon2

06-28-2008, 02:12 AM	#24
ReconWrench Guest Location: In the Grassy knoll Posts: n/a	ah! I don't care if anyone carries open or concealed... If the bad guy poses a threat to my family, well, it doesn't matter if we carry open or concealed. I'm pretty sure speer and federal tastes the same to him either way. Everyone should carry anyhow.

07-02-2008, 08:42 PM	#30
Jack75 Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New york Posts: 59	ooh man if new york had open carry id get 2 remington 1960s and walk around with that old western style

07-13-2008, 08:57 PM	#31
captsquirrel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: S. Nevada Posts: 410	I inquired about open carry with LVMPD via email and they responded although it is legal it is not recommended as this will "certainly cause problems". Nevada law actually has nothing on the books allowing open carry though it isn't prohibited. It quite simply is silent on the matter. For me personally I carry concealed. It goes back to the element of surprise. I for one am not in any way opposed to open carry.