So somebody saw my gun.

stitchclimber · 07-11-2008, 05:13 PM

I was helping out a minister at my church work on his car, while bending over he noticed my handgun peaking out of my waistband. He commented on it, and after a short conversation about my reasons and my license, he ended the conversation by saying "well I guess I don't care as long as its not in the church"

I really didn't know what to say at that point... I've been carrying anytime I'm out since I got my permit. And in my state it's perfectly legal to carry in a church...

Do you guys think I should stop carrying in the church? talk to him about it again? talk to the lead pastor or elders? or should I just stop carrying?

The reason this is somewhat of a dilemma is because my church meets in a less than desirable area, and at times I'm helping out the church until late into the night. But on the flip side I really respect the guy who didn't want me carrying, and I don't want to offend him.

Anyways, if you were in my shoes what would you do.

Bravo · 07-11-2008, 05:16 PM

I would speak with the lead pastor, or whoever is highest in charge. In a public place, I would think they would be the only one to say no to a concealed permit (as long as the local government is ok with it).

.22guy · 07-11-2008, 05:28 PM

I would keep carrying it there. There are such things as church shootings. Just conceal it differently/better.

stitchclimber · 07-11-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by .22guy

I would keep carrying it there. There are such things as church shootings. Just conceal it differently/better.

I think when my new Kel Tec P3AT comes in no one will ever know it's there. (I was carrying a full size .40 at the time, small of the back, inner waist band, not the best when bending over a car hood.)

Rambo · 07-11-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by .22guy

I would keep carrying it there. There are such things as church shootings. Just conceal it differently/better.

Ditto.

privateer · 07-11-2008, 05:40 PM

I agree , keep carrying, just do it different. IE- different gun and or location.. I wouldnt even bother talking to the church about. Just dont mention it and hope you never need it.

KGunner · 07-11-2008, 05:45 PM

Not their right to tell you where you can and can't carry. Just hide it better.

Bravo · 07-11-2008, 05:45 PM

I may be wrong, but doesn't the owner of the building have the right to say no CCW's allowed? I mean, nobody is forcing you to go into that church...

Capt'n Mil Coll · 07-11-2008, 05:55 PM

In my state the churches are not required to post no cc allowed. They are all off limits. But if your state does not have that requirement Id keep carrying there if you were not told not to.

KingMusa45 · 07-11-2008, 05:57 PM

i agree and disagree with you guys.
i think you should continue to wear your weapon, just find a place of worship that's ok with it.
if you continue to wear it there eventually it will snow ball into a much bigger problem.
you know how people react to views they disagree with, and considering the fact that he is a religious leader do you really wanna have this battle with him in his church?
if it makes him uncomfortable then there has to be others there that share the same view.
i think you should do what you think is best.
just try to think of this from a couple of different perspectives & be prepared to find a new place of worship

SPOCAHP ANAR · 07-11-2008, 07:03 PM

Unless the Church posts a sign that meets state regulations proclaiming "No concealed firearms" then continue until they post a sign.

GlockMeister · 07-11-2008, 07:09 PM

I'd talk to him about it again and ask him if he'd rather have you have it on you or at home if something like what happened in the Denver church ever happened there?

But if you have had a good relationship with him, talk to him about it. If you don't, it will bother you until it gets resolved. But don't expect it to go your way. He feels the way he does otherwise he wouldn't have said what he did...

GlockMeister · 07-11-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

In my state the churches are not required to post no cc allowed. They are all off limits. But if your state does not have that requirement Id keep carrying there if you were not told not to.

He was already told not to. The comment as long as it isn't in my church or whatever it was said that...

stitchclimber · 07-11-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KGunner

Not their right to tell you where you can and can't carry. Just hide it better.

In my state if the owner of a premise requests that you not carry, sign or no sign, you can't carry. You can be prosecuted for trespassing if you defy the owners wishes... The minister that I talked to is not in anyway the owner/manager/lead pastor...

I think I'll continue to carry more discreetly, as I really don't want to find another community of worship... If opportunity arises, I'll probably talk to him again, or even someone higher up (it's a smaller church and I'm friends with most of the ministers) and see if I can't establish more of an understanding.

Mike Franklin · 07-11-2008, 08:13 PM

But the guy that said "as long as its not in the church", isn't the head guy, if I read right. The head guy needs to make the decision.
BTW, where I go the church body/members decide such things.
When I was a young Cop I didn't carry to church until one of the other churches had a nut shoot 7 people. I started carrying everywhere.

ArkansasHunter · 07-11-2008, 08:22 PM

I would do what your heart tells you to do. Which may be is to keep carrying in church.
Though I don't carry in church my CZ 82 is hid in the car...A.H

Johnnycat · 07-11-2008, 08:40 PM

It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission - especially in church!

jashoffa · 07-11-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnycat

It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission - especially in church!

Yes I agree in this situation and most, as long as you are not breaking the law it is much easier to beg for forgiveness than it is to ask permission.

stitchclimber · 07-11-2008, 09:12 PM

thanks guys. as always, you've made my decision much easier.

Seven© · 07-11-2008, 09:13 PM

Luke 22:36

07-11-2008, 05:13 PM	#1
stitchclimber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The great northwest Posts: 945	So somebody saw my gun. I was helping out a minister at my church work on his car, while bending over he noticed my handgun peaking out of my waistband. He commented on it, and after a short conversation about my reasons and my license, he ended the conversation by saying "well I guess I don't care as long as its not in the church" I really didn't know what to say at that point... I've been carrying anytime I'm out since I got my permit. And in my state it's perfectly legal to carry in a church... Do you guys think I should stop carrying in the church? talk to him about it again? talk to the lead pastor or elders? or should I just stop carrying? The reason this is somewhat of a dilemma is because my church meets in a less than desirable area, and at times I'm helping out the church until late into the night. But on the flip side I really respect the guy who didn't want me carrying, and I don't want to offend him. Anyways, if you were in my shoes what would you do. __________________ turning up the radio, got just enough religion and a half tank of gas...

07-11-2008, 05:28 PM	#3
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,161	I would keep carrying it there. There are such things as church shootings. Just conceal it differently/better. __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

07-11-2008, 05:45 PM	#7
KGunner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 439	Not their right to tell you where you can and can't carry. Just hide it better. __________________ Kel-Tec P11 Mossberg 500A Tactical 12 ga. 1947 Mosin Nagant M44 Yugo SKS 59/66

07-11-2008, 05:55 PM	#9
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,305 Images: 15	In my state the churches are not required to post no cc allowed. They are all off limits. But if your state does not have that requirement Id keep carrying there if you were not told not to. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

07-11-2008, 07:03 PM	#11
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,097 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Unless the Church posts a sign that meets state regulations proclaiming "No concealed firearms" then continue until they post a sign. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

07-11-2008, 05:16 PM	#2
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,900	I would speak with the lead pastor, or whoever is highest in charge. In a public place, I would think they would be the only one to say no to a concealed permit (as long as the local government is ok with it).

07-11-2008, 05:40 PM	#6
privateer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Anchorage , Alaska Posts: 419 Images: 1	I agree , keep carrying, just do it different. IE- different gun and or location.. I wouldnt even bother talking to the church about. Just dont mention it and hope you never need it.

07-11-2008, 05:57 PM	#10
KingMusa45 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 312	i agree and disagree with you guys. i think you should continue to wear your weapon, just find a place of worship that's ok with it. if you continue to wear it there eventually it will snow ball into a much bigger problem. you know how people react to views they disagree with, and considering the fact that he is a religious leader do you really wanna have this battle with him in his church? if it makes him uncomfortable then there has to be others there that share the same view. i think you should do what you think is best. just try to think of this from a couple of different perspectives & be prepared to find a new place of worship

07-11-2008, 07:09 PM	#12
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,504	I'd talk to him about it again and ask him if he'd rather have you have it on you or at home if something like what happened in the Denver church ever happened there? But if you have had a good relationship with him, talk to him about it. If you don't, it will bother you until it gets resolved. But don't expect it to go your way. He feels the way he does otherwise he wouldn't have said what he did... __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-11-2008, 08:13 PM	#15
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	But the guy that said "as long as its not in the church", isn't the head guy, if I read right. The head guy needs to make the decision. BTW, where I go the church body/members decide such things. When I was a young Cop I didn't carry to church until one of the other churches had a nut shoot 7 people. I started carrying everywhere. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

07-11-2008, 08:22 PM	#16
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,722	I would do what your heart tells you to do. Which may be is to keep carrying in church. Though I don't carry in church my CZ 82 is hid in the car...A.H

07-11-2008, 08:40 PM	#17
Johnnycat Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 247	It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission - especially in church! __________________ Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley

07-11-2008, 09:12 PM	#19
stitchclimber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The great northwest Posts: 945	thanks guys. as always, you've made my decision much easier. __________________ turning up the radio, got just enough religion and a half tank of gas...

07-11-2008, 09:13 PM	#20
Seven© Exalted Grand Poobah Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: WNC Posts: 766 Images: 15 Blog Entries: 2	Luke 22:36 __________________ In Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.