[cajun 48]

I agree with TXpit. With most confrontations hapening within 3 feet and the bad guy already having their weapon in hand, I'll have one in the pipe! At those ranges, unless you really really train for it, a gun without a round in the chamber is nothing more than a hammer. aj b
p.s. If you don't trust the gun you carry to be safe with one in the chamber then maybe you should rethink the gun your carrying. aj b

my opinion. and everybody knows about opinions!

[blaster]

always one in the chamber

[deadzero]

I recommend a condition 1 carry, cocked and locked over a live round. I don't always carry this way, just easier to unload if all i'm doing is driving to a destination. if I have to exit the vehicle on my travels, it goes to condition 1. I do not recomend others do as I do.
above all, always be aware of your suroundings and stay sharp.

[TGF]

1 in is my preference, the most probably time for a gun to jam is on chambering a round, why take the chance?

[tlarkin]

In close quarters fighting I have always liked Bruce Lee's approach of, it isn't always who is faster but more of who gets there first. Wing Chun definitely is a huge influence in my style of self defense. It uses center line theory and that is what I have trained. In a situation where I may not be able to get cover or I need to defend myself immediately, going for my gun may not be an option or my best option.

I can draw a weapon and racking the slide is not that much of a time consumer.

I do know that my hands and feet are faster in close quarters. In longer distances I would go for cover first.

While all of my training has been in a 'sandbox' type environment and never really life tested I only really know a fraction of what I can really do. I have never had to test myself for my own life, but I have taken the time to mentally prepare myself.

[KlientL]

Quote:       Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

At home I've got guns scattered every where I can throw or use as clubs if had to LOL

The mental picture of that alone is HILARIOUS!!! LoL!!

[Kaybe]

Im going back and forth figuring it out for my self, but Im really asking what do you prefer?
I prefer one in the chamber. So do most of the others. But whatever way you choose, train that way.

[M14man]

I reason it this way, If you keep it chambered, people usually remove the cartridge from the chamber when home.(with kids, or whatever it is usually alot safer) Even if they have been taught, they don't have the responsibility always on their own. Then you have to rechamber. Do this once a day, several times a day, plays havoc on your ammo. Over years of carrying, most situations aren't going to be like gorillas jumping from the trees. Think over how you have lived the last 10 years, is your neighborhood that bad that you expect that you will have to draw and fire in a second? Most situations if you are watchful will allow you to rack it as you draw. Overall in a safe neighborhood even out at night, you have that time. I myself feel no more limited with a magazine only carry in my home turf. Other areas I may reconsider.
Tlarkin, I too took a few years of Wing Chun and know exactly what you mean.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by M14man

Tlarkin, I too took a few years of Wing Chun and know exactly what you mean.

Sweet what lineage did you study? I did the Yip Man lineage from Ho Kam Ming. Ho Kam Ming taught my sifu in Maccau.

Wing Chun has a lot of great aspects when conceptualizing the art of fighting. The great thing is, a lot of it can be applied to weapons. Of course I haven't had any side arm training professionally, so I never got to quite cross that bridge.

If I felt paranoid enough to keep one round chambered I probably wouldn't go into that area unless I really had to. I think I would also use a pistol that is single/double action with a de-cocker. I just think that would be my preference.

[M14man]

I had taken it circa 1974 or so at Queens College from a guy that could hardly speak English, we did the sticky hands, the katas, and I recall how he would twist my fist to vertical since I was so much in the habit of the horizonal fist of Karate. I don't recall him ever saying the style. I still retain the skill of the rolling forearms, the palm strikes, the palm blocks.Bil Jee flying fingers...but that was 35 years ago....He had a Chinese following, and of course they understood him, us white guys had to fare with all the broken words. I recall standing for an hour and doing the hand katas while in the 'different than Karate horse stance'. They were done SLOW and with hand or arm that was to be hard and imovable.

[buzzsaw]

I too am back and forth about the subject. I will offer a couple of thoughts for consideration. I keep a modern revolver close to hand at the house but still for no apparent reason keep the camber under the hammer empty. I know, its just me. That aside, I have read several accounts lately of destroyed weapons due to repeatedly removing and recharging cartridges from semiauto hand guns. Apparently set back (bullet knocked into case compressed charge resulting in excess pressure) from the slide repeatedly slamming the cartridge into the chamber from multiple removeal and rechamberings. The last is from personal experience. I was wakened in the middle of the night by a noise in my kitchen. I rolled out of bed as quietly as possible and grabbed the 12 ga. from under the edge of the bed. Since it was BK (before kids) there was one in the chamber which I clearly remember being extreemly thankful for as I eased down the hall to the kitchen. My main concern at the time was that I didn't need any more noise than the kettle drum pounding im my chest to give away my position. It took me just enough time to sneak into the kitchen for the automatic ice maker to begin refilling in sufficient time for me not to shoot the frig.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by M14man

I had taken it circa 1974 or so at Queens College from a guy that could hardly speak English, we did the sticky hands, the katas, and I recall how he would twist my fist to vertical since I was so much in the habit of the horizonal fist of Karate. I don't recall him ever saying the style. I still retain the skill of the rolling forearms, the palm strikes, the palm blocks.Bil Jee flying fingers...but that was 35 years ago....He had a Chinese following, and of course they understood him, us white guys had to fare with all the broken words. I recall standing for an hour and doing the hand katas while in the 'different than Karate horse stance'. They were done SLOW and with hand or arm that was to be hard and imovable.

Cool, sounds like you had a great time training. That is what I loved about Wing Chun so much is that it is a conceptual art and can be applied to many different combat styles. The training methods were built that way to train efficiently, obviously you aren't going to fight someone in horse stance, hehehe, you are going to fight them in a fluid moving motion.

I did WC for about, 4 or maybe 5 years. I got all the way through the system minus the long pole and butterfly knives. So I knew the 3 open hand forms and the wooden dummy. Did lots of chi sao too (sticky hands).

I need to get back into training soon. One of the guys that taught me just moved back to town but he has two kids now so not sure if he wants to start teaching again. I will have to wait and see.

[jerry]

My new fridge (cam ewith house) has one of those ice makers. Startles me and the wife one night while we were watching TV.

Good call on the repeated chambering of a round. Don't want to take the chance.

Also make sure to chamber and extract the round in a safe direction. Some ranges, LE's and Mil use the barrel of sand with a funnel in it to point the muzzle in, just in case.

[nighthawk]

I like to be ready and if you don't have a round chambered you are not ready.

[FS00008]

I like the Israeli draw and keeping the chamber empty.

[Dakoma]

I carry one in the chamber,and carry a 45 Ballester Molina inside the waistband holster,I am disabled but can walk with a cane in my right hand but I am lefthanded so first comes the cane and then it is all over for the bad guy that tries to harm my wife or myself.When traveling the 45 goes under the mat and I carry my Rossi 44 Special Model # 720 stainless 3" in a crossdraw holster that I handstitched and made myself and is comfortable and works from standing or sitting position.Dont know any Martial arts but have been shooting rifles and pistols since I was 6 and raised on a farm with my 3 brothers.

[deadzero]

Quote:       Originally Posted by deadzero

I recommend a condition 1 carry, cocked and locked over a live round. I don't always carry this way, just easier to unload if all i'm doing is driving to a destination. if I have to exit the vehicle on my travels, it goes to condition 1. I do not recomend others do as I do. above all, always be aware of your suroundings and stay sharp.

Quote:       Originally Posted by TargetGunFan

1 in is my preference, the most probably time for a gun to jam is on chambering a round, why take the chance?

thats actually why I recommend a condition 1 carry. thats why I say "don't do as I do" in this case.

[one in the pipe]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

Here is the thing. In a gun fight the first thing I am going for is cover, not my gun. If I am in trapping/grappling range my hands are like 100 times faster than me making a big motion to pull a gun out. In that situation I am going to strike with my hands first, create space (or absorb space depending on what I want to do) then go from there. I can also have my knife out faster than my gun so in a close up call I would go for the knife first. Now if someone is going to sneak up on me and shoot me in the back then no matter what I do or have on me matters.

IMHO to a trained marksman your a dead man !

[one in the pipe]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tlarkin

Sweet what lineage did you study? I did the Yip Man lineage from Ho Kam Ming. Ho Kam Ming taught my sifu in Maccau. Wing Chun has a lot of great aspects when conceptualizing the art of fighting. The great thing is, a lot of it can be applied to weapons. Of course I haven't had any side arm training professionally, so I never got to quite cross that bridge. If I felt paranoid enough to keep one round chambered I probably wouldn't go into that area unless I really had to. I think I would also use a pistol that is single/double action with a de-cocker. I just think that would be my preference.

I know your area kcmo and going there after dark skares the bejebes out of me . Course Im a simple country boy .

[ar10]

Depends on the gun and the use of the gun. 10MM glock, loaded for bear, 24/7