differance in silencers

[meatloaf]

Originally Posted by HEMI

Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere.
They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

That is not true! For one suppressors are not easily available and the common criminal couldnt even afford one. After all most crimes are commited with a 22, 25 calliber because they are cheap. If you are able to purchase a fire arm legally then you can apply for a tax stamp, which allows the owner to purchase and use a suppressor for a single calliber. Its perfectly legal and its a great answer to loss of hearing.

Originally Posted by JoeLee

This is the only {truly silenced} weapon.

Valkyrie Arms, LLC Delisle Page

I want one!

[rondog]

Oh yeah, a DeLisle is my ultimate collector gun!

[raymond_d_37148]

suppressors do have a use mainly around farms to control rats and other pest as the noise don't bother livestock a lot of noise will cause chickens not to lay eggs and cattle to abort and be stressed and lose weight.

[phoenix79]

I went to a class III shoot a while back and got the chance to shoot a fully suppressed and automatic UZI 9mm. We were using sub-sonic ammo and the only noise was the bolt moving back and forth. They guy who had it was trying to come up with a way to silence that as well. It was REALLY cool

[chrisgun]

Originally Posted by HEMI

Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere.
They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

If you people are pro-gun, like I am, you won't be discouraging others from owning any type of weapon or related accessory.

[Cyrano]

Joe Lee, in his book on the Office of Strategic Services, Of Spies and Stratagems, former Deputy Director for Research & Development Stanley P. Lovell wrote of a silent, flashless pistol based on a High Standard .22 target pistol; and of a silent,flashless version of the Thompson submachine gun. General William "Wild Bill" Donovan, the head of the OSS demonstrated the former to President Roosevelt by putting a sandbag on the far side of the Oval Office and emptying a magazine of .22 subsonic rounds into it while FDR talked on the phone. Startled the daylights out of him when Donovan handed FDR the empty pistol and warned him to watch out of the barrel, because it was hot from shooting.

Lovell also said that despite careful accounting of these pistols and Thompsons, about a dozen of them were listed as "expended in combat," mostly by Jedburgh teams. He worried about it during the war. The weapons resurfaced in British Palestine during the Zionists' fight to obtain their independence and establish a Jewish state and apparently were used in a number of hits by the Irgun and the Stone Gang on British officers who had no sympathy for their cause and regarded the local sabras as vermin. Much later, the British government admitted to the Israelis that one reason they chose to give up their mandate in Palestine was due to Zionist sniping with these silent, flashless weapons.

Personally, I have no problem with silencers, although I object to their being taxed by the goddamyankee gummint and their availability being only to Class III FFL holders. I think the animus the government has for them comes from exposure to too many bad spy movies. They aren't, as the Delisle shows, either small or concealable if they are actually any good. I'd love to have one for varminting, and I expect prairie dog shooters would want one for the same reason. But that's not going to happen in this lifetime in America.

[dogman2]

I have a legal M-21. M-14 set up for sniper use and suppressed. For best suppression you need sub-sonic ammo. The noise of the action working is really loud, so you turned of the gas valve and worked the action by hand.

[crotalus01]

My first post here...
Holy shit the ignorance here can be cut with a knife!
All you guys need to check out Silencer Talk
and do a google search for NFA weapons for sale...

[crotalus01]

?

WOW, you guys need to visit
Silencer Talk
You all seem really ignorant of the laws regarding possession of NFA weapons (with a few exceptions).
Civilian ownership of silencers is legal in most states, as are machine guns

[perdidochas]

Originally Posted by HEMI

Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere.
They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

I disagree. Most of Europe has the same or less restrictions on silencers than on guns. For example, in Finland, there is no restriction on silencers, because silencers are considered a good thing--they make gun ranges less of a source of noise pollution. If I owned my in-laws property, I would love to have a silenced .22 for target shooting. They have enough land and it would be legal to shoot, but they also have neighbors who would be irritated.

[joe90]

kinda late but just saw it. I would use it for varmint hunting since you can bag many animals and after one kill want more around to hunt.... silencer would do the job wonderfully I would suppose.

[wunhunglo]

In the UK it is almost automatic to be granted the permission to own a silencer for any weapon. Doesn't cost a penny extra for the permission. Almost everyone has them for their varminting & hunting guns and quite a few (myself included) use them on our target/fun guns.
See below piccy of Scottish owned Saiga being used at 300m.


saiga.JPG 300m.JPG

[joe90]

Wish it were that way around here.... I've heard that if you do the forms to get a silencer and get one it gives the gov't permission to come and check up on you and your house without warrent..? i don't know if thats true.

[wunhunglo]

Originally Posted by joe90

Wish it were that way around here.... I've heard that if you do the forms to get a silencer and get one it gives the gov't permission to come and check up on you and your house without warrent..? i don't know if thats true.

Can't quite believe that, doesn't that go against your rights?
In the UK it is only the "Customs" that can enter your house without a warrant.

[Jersey Jailer]

we had an AR 15 9mm at the jail, came with a silencer. it messed up the accuracy of the piece still good for body shots at 100 yds. All you heard was the action cycling it was too long, made the SMG too bulky to handle, we rarely used it. The UMP's were shorter by you could hear the POP and action cycle. They were great for use in an enclosed area. They were a joy to clean too :-(

[KingMusa45]

here in ga. you can own them as well.
you have to register them with your local sheriffs office.
i dont understand why people associate silencers with criminals unless they believe the crap in movies.
that's like people saying only a criminal would want an assault rifle, or hi cap mags.
that's also what they say about full-auto.
if i could afford or had a use for it, you bet your nutts i would have one.

[joe90]

Pretty soon when I get the money I'll be getting an ak or ar just in case wwIII breaks out on the home front... you never know now adays..

[rondog]

I wonder if I could get one installed on my H-P carbine, I think there's enough room for threads here.....

[chris l]

'Silencers' are widely used here in UK, on everything from air rifles to shotguns.

My first licenced gun, back in '72, was a fully 'moderated' folding .410 single barrel shotgun. Known in Devon as a 'poachers pistol' as it fit under a coat and could be fired when folded...

Suppressors on sub-sonic rimfires, air rifles and small bore shotguns are, in my experience, remarkably effective.

Shooting quieter guns here is, I think, part of a strategy on the part of a lot of shooters not to draw attention to the prevalence of our sport, and hopefully thus avoid even more restrictions!

[knightRider]

Originally Posted by HEMI

Supressors are used by criminals and are illegal just about everywhere.
They have no use to the law abiding my .02.

thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard . and i own a silencer , and a full auto and thats my damn .02 cents .