C&R License

clinthall6 · 10-15-2007, 04:36 PM

I sent away to get the application for my C&R from the ATF and I am just trying to clear up what exactly this license will allow me to do. I have heard different things from different people.

SilentSoul · 10-15-2007, 05:05 PM

Should allow you to buy Curio and relic Firearms such as Mosin Nagat.

What is a Curio or Relic, ala Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) part 178, section 178.11 Curios or Relics: Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of
the following categories:(a) Firearms that were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.

Firearms Curios or Relics List

There is a list of firearms as per the ATF.

clinthall6 · 10-15-2007, 05:45 PM

Great thats what I needed thanks

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-15-2007, 05:48 PM

Go get an issue of shotgun news; any item with a C&R 03 you can purchase.

SilentSoul · 10-15-2007, 05:50 PM

No problem, Spocahp do you think the SKS or AK will ever get added to the CR?

clinthall6 · 10-15-2007, 06:11 PM

That means I can have them mailed to me right? instead of having guns mailed to a dealer.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-15-2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentSoul

No problem, Spocahp do you think the SKS or AK will ever get added to the CR?

The SKS already is!!!!!!!!!!

The AK type rifles will in 50 years from manufacture; but since the rifles are not true AK-47's rather stripped parts guns made on new recievers then the date is based off of the reciever. So an AK type sporter made on a reciever manufactured in 2001 will be eligible in the year 2051. Or if/when the atf decides that it deserves C&R status.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clinthall6

That means I can have them mailed to me right? instead of having guns mailed to a dealer.

Exactly!

You can download the c&R form from the ATF's website. Also you will need to fill out the Proof of Citizenship form.

Scratch that! You USE to be able to download the ATF form for C&R licenses. Guess it was TOO easy. Go ahead and get a form for Amending your license should you ever have to move. Make EXTRA copies of both and keep them around!

clinthall6 · 10-15-2007, 06:35 PM

Yeah I tried to download it but I guess that was to simple so you have to wait for a month to have it sent to me it takes that much longer because Im in Iraq. I just wann be able to have guns mailed to me. Thanks for the info

mosineer · 10-15-2007, 06:39 PM

SS my friend the SKS is C&R eligable, wouldn't hold my breath for the AK.
clinthall6 here is a great link that I used when I filled my C&R app out. It explains a C&R in detail and walks you through step by step. After you send it in, it will take you 4 to 8 weeks to get it(they will charge the fee almost immediately).

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp

They also have alot of great information on many
C&R eligable firearms. Cowboy up your credit cards and good luck.

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clinthall6 · 10-15-2007, 08:34 PM

yeah I have a gun budget now since I got promoted to SSG so Im ready to expand my military collection.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 10-15-2007, 08:47 PM

Clinthall6;

You can only have the items shipped to the address on your License which will most likely be your home address.

clinthall6 · 10-15-2007, 08:56 PM

ohh I know but I plan on buying some stuff and having it waiting at home for me. I already got an M1 Garand waiting for me cant wait to get that thing to the range

.22guy · 10-15-2007, 10:22 PM

I don't think you can download and print the C&R app anymore. Should be ok, they send the stuff in the mail pretty quickly.

clinthall6 · 10-16-2007, 03:12 PM

Ill scan and post the paperwork to this forum when it gets here

SilverRun · 10-16-2007, 07:04 PM

Actually, you need to be around when the rifles come to your house. I think you technically only have 48 hours to get them entered into your bound book.

Also, be sure to send a copy of your C&R to Brownells, Midway and Graf and Son's. They will give you a price break. Also, go ahead and send a copy to all the C&R distributors - Aimsurplus, SOG, Century Arms etc.

Best $30 you will ever spend!

Expect it to take about 6-weeks to get your FFL. Remember, don't sign the original FFL- just the copies in blue ink when you send them out.

clinthall6 · 10-16-2007, 07:37 PM

Thanks for the info. I cant wait to start buying.

This shotgun news link has a lot of good info on C&R/FFL. It basicly says the same thing you guys said but in greater detail.

Shotgun News, Do you need a Curio and Relics License?

clinthall6 · 10-25-2007, 12:35 PM

I got the paper work but it wont let me upload it so if you want a copy just shot me an email at clinton.hall@2bct2id.army.mil

The surplusrifle web site isnt working. Is there anouther page that show you how to fill this thing out step by step?

chrisgun · 12-14-2007, 02:56 PM

That is a pretty neat thing.

WyrTwister · 12-22-2007, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentSoul

No problem, Spocahp do you think the SKS or AK will ever get added to the CR?

The Russian SKS and a few other SKS's are C&R .

God bless
Wyr

billy · 12-22-2007, 04:25 AM

i dont even use mine to purchase firearms anymore.
i use mine for price breaks on ammo and anything else that i get dealer prices on from various companies.
it paid for itself the 1st time i bought ammo.

10-15-2007, 04:36 PM	#1
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	C&R License I sent away to get the application for my C&R from the ATF and I am just trying to clear up what exactly this license will allow me to do. I have heard different things from different people.

10-15-2007, 05:48 PM	#4
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,096 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Go get an issue of shotgun news; any item with a C&R 03 you can purchase. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

10-15-2007, 08:47 PM	#11
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,096 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Clinthall6; You can only have the items shipped to the address on your License which will most likely be your home address. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

10-15-2007, 10:22 PM	#13
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,158	I don't think you can download and print the C&R app anymore. Should be ok, they send the stuff in the mail pretty quickly. __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

10-16-2007, 03:12 PM	#14
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	Ill scan and post the paperwork to this forum when it gets here __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]“War is gods way of teaching us geography”

10-15-2007, 05:05 PM	#2
SilentSoul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 603 Images: 1	Should allow you to buy Curio and relic Firearms such as Mosin Nagat. *What is a Curio or Relic, ala Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) part 178, section 178.11* Curios or Relics: Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:(a) Firearms that were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof; (b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and (c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less. Firearms Curios or Relics List There is a list of firearms as per the ATF.

10-15-2007, 05:45 PM	#3
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	Great thats what I needed thanks

10-15-2007, 05:50 PM	#5
SilentSoul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 603 Images: 1	No problem, Spocahp do you think the SKS or AK will ever get added to the CR?

10-15-2007, 06:11 PM	#6
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	That means I can have them mailed to me right? instead of having guns mailed to a dealer.

10-15-2007, 06:35 PM	#8
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	Yeah I tried to download it but I guess that was to simple so you have to wait for a month to have it sent to me it takes that much longer because Im in Iraq. I just wann be able to have guns mailed to me. Thanks for the info

10-15-2007, 06:39 PM	#9
mosineer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,299	SS my friend the SKS is C&R eligable, wouldn't hold my breath for the AK. clinthall6 here is a great link that I used when I filled my C&R app out. It explains a C&R in detail and walks you through step by step. After you send it in, it will take you 4 to 8 weeks to get it(they will charge the fee almost immediately). http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp They also have alot of great information on many C&R eligable firearms. Cowboy up your credit cards and good luck. ********************************************************************************* All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing**

10-15-2007, 08:34 PM	#10
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	yeah I have a gun budget now since I got promoted to SSG so Im ready to expand my military collection.

10-15-2007, 08:56 PM	#12
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	ohh I know but I plan on buying some stuff and having it waiting at home for me. I already got an M1 Garand waiting for me cant wait to get that thing to the range

10-16-2007, 07:04 PM	#15
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	Actually, you need to be around when the rifles come to your house. I think you technically only have 48 hours to get them entered into your bound book. Also, be sure to send a copy of your C&R to Brownells, Midway and Graf and Son's. They will give you a price break. Also, go ahead and send a copy to all the C&R distributors - Aimsurplus, SOG, Century Arms etc. Best $30 you will ever spend! Expect it to take about 6-weeks to get your FFL. Remember, don't sign the original FFL- just the copies in blue ink when you send them out.

10-16-2007, 07:37 PM	#16
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	Thanks for the info. I cant wait to start buying. This shotgun news link has a lot of good info on C&R/FFL. It basicly says the same thing you guys said but in greater detail. Shotgun News, Do you need a Curio and Relics License? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]“War is gods way of teaching us geography” Last edited by clinthall6; 10-17-2007 at 09:43 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-25-2007, 12:35 PM	#17
clinthall6 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FT. Bragg NC Posts: 36	I got the paper work but it wont let me upload it so if you want a copy just shot me an email at clinton.hall@2bct2id.army.mil The surplusrifle web site isnt working. Is there anouther page that show you how to fill this thing out step by step? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]“War is gods way of teaching us geography” Last edited by clinthall6; 10-25-2007 at 01:32 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-14-2007, 02:56 PM	#18
chrisgun Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mental Gun Heaven Posts: 23	That is a pretty neat thing.

12-22-2007, 04:25 AM	#20
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,183 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i dont even use mine to purchase firearms anymore. i use mine for price breaks on ammo and anything else that i get dealer prices on from various companies. it paid for itself the 1st time i bought ammo. __________________