Smith&Wesson has had much success with their "Classics" line, should Colt try it?

Ballbearing · 07-12-2008, 01:09 PM

Would anyone else like to see the Official Police brought back, or the New Service? Both were excellent, excellent revolvers and i would love to see them brought back. The Police Positive Special and Detective special would be very welcome as well. The Diamondback and the Python could come back for another strike. Colt's revolvers were always their greatest acheivement. The 1911 is ubiquitous and easy and simple to maintain, shoot, field strip and clean. It's the cotton gin of firearms. I'm not putting it down, so don't send me hate mail, it's a great gun and i'm glad it's still around. But there is something about the buttery smoothness and silkiness of that v-spring Colt double-action revolver mechanism that is like nothing else that has ever been produced. I've held them all and worked the actions, and they are all, to a gun (that i've handled), as pleasant a gun to work as i've ever held. Unfortunately, the only one i've actually gotten to shoot was the Police Positive Special in .38 spl.. And for such a light gun with such a diminutive frame it shot very well indeed. And the really marvellous thing about the Dectective Special and the Police Positive, Agent, Cobra and all of the other small frame double-action Colts, was that they weren't any less concealable than a "j" frame Smith, and still held six shots to the Smith's five. I really applaud Smith&Wesson for reproducing the 1917 and the model 21 and 22 and 36 and all the others, and they're great revolvers and worthy successors to their forebearers, but i miss the competition. I miss the old Coke and Pepsi rivalry that Smith and Colt used to have. I don't believe any healthier and more mutually successful competition ever existed.

nathangdad · 07-12-2008, 07:00 PM

manufacturer and marketer in the civilian market for some time.
It is a sad note for a firm that was an industry leader for generations of Americans.

I would not look for your suggestion to take place although I do congratulate you on a very good idea.

Perhaps an aggressive, marketing oriented management will rise in the company sometime in the near future.

jimkim · 07-12-2008, 07:08 PM

I would like to see Colt come out with a classic series. Who could afford one though? Some one at Colt decided they were making collector's items instead of firearms. So their products are price accordingly.

royal pain · 07-13-2008, 02:51 PM

i hope someone can help me,i have a colt officers model special serial #78xxx made in 1950.has 6in.bull barrel,looks exactly like python except for said barrel.has python walnut grips w/silver custom shop medallion on left panel.ive looked at other officers model specials by colt,& they look nothing like this revolver.i believe it to be a precurser to the python.it appears to be in 98% condition.

GlockMeister · 07-13-2008, 03:19 PM

Colt can try, but if they can't even keep their custom dept. providing good work and quality service, it just might all be for not?

If I can explain. My FFL, well one I use, told me another customer of hers had ordered a custom colt, think she said model 29 or something? Anyhow, it came in and the customer opened the box while still in her store. Upon his inspection he found a screw loose and one missing. She, the FFL said where these screws went, but I forget, but I do remember her saying one was long and one was short, and it was the long one that was missing and the short one that was loose.

First, why would Colt, let alone the CUSTOM DEPT. let any gun leave like that? Anyhow, she, the FFL, called Colt's custom dept., and explained all this, and requested the long screw. The screw came in a few days, the wrong, short screw that is. UNREAL!

Ballbearing · 07-15-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Colt can try, but if they can't even keep their custom dept. providing good work and quality service, it just might all be for not?

If I can explain. My FFL, well one I use, told me another customer of hers had ordered a custom colt, think she said model 29 or something? Anyhow, it came in and the customer opened the box while still in her store. Upon his inspection he found a screw loose and one missing. She, the FFL said where these screws went, but I forget, but I do remember her saying one was long and one was short, and it was the long one that was missing and the short one that was loose.

First, why would Colt, let alone the CUSTOM DEPT. let any gun leave like that? Anyhow, she, the FFL, called Colt's custom dept., and explained all this, and requested the long screw. The screw came in a few days, the wrong, short screw that is. UNREAL!

Colt doesn't make a model 29, Smith&Wesson does. Colt only makes three types of firearm now. The military branch of the company produces AR-15/M-16 type military rifles, and the civilian branch produces Single Action Army's and 1911 type auto pistols and variants. Right now, that's it. The only screws in a standard 1911 are the grip screws. A Single-Action army has three screws through the frame, five screws that hold the trigger guard and backstrap onto the frame, and one screw that holds the bottom of the backstrap onto the trigger guard. There is also a screw that holds the bottom of the mainspring to the trigger guard and a screw that holds the ejector rod housing onto the barrel. If the gun is a 1st generation or black powder frame type, it will also have a screw in the front of the frame below the cylinder pin, that holds the pin in the frame. A second generation or later gun will have a push screw arrangement through the frame just below the barrel and just ahead of the cylinder that goes completely through the frame, it is spring loaded and holds the cylinder pin in that manner.

Mike Franklin · 07-20-2008, 09:31 AM

'I would like to see Colt come out with a classic series. Who could afford one though? Some one at Colt decided they were making collector's items instead of firearms. So their products are price accordingly.'

If they'd get the price down on the SAA I'd buy a couple more. As it is I have 2 and unless I hit the Lotto 2 is all I'll ever have.

billy · 07-20-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Franklin

'I would like to see Colt come out with a classic series. Who could afford one though? Some one at Colt decided they were making collector's items instead of firearms. So their products are price accordingly.'

If they'd get the price down on the SAA I'd buy a couple more. As it is I have 2 and unless I hit the Lotto 2 is all I'll ever have.

that was the first thing i thought of.
i will never end up with one.
they have already priced me right out of that market.
when i can buy a real nice S.A..44 brand new for $400 why would i?

Windwalker · 07-20-2008, 10:43 AM

I would like to see both the Diamondback and the Python make a comeback but only if the prices were affordable to the general public.
I would like to have a Colt S/A Army but as Billy says there are many well made clones on the market for much less money.

jimkim · 07-20-2008, 11:12 AM

I want one in 44 special. Not 44 magnum not 44-40 but 44 special does anyone make a clone in that caliber? The SAA in 44 special has a whole different feel and balance to it. I've only seen one I think it was made before 1920. That was a sweet gun.

billy · 07-20-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jimkim

I want one in 44 special. Not 44 magnum not 44-40 but 44 special does anyone make a clone in that caliber? The SAA in 44 special has a whole different feel and balance to it. I've only seen one I think it was made before 1920. That was a sweet gun.

Uberti Bisley Model Single Action Army

jimkim · 07-20-2008, 11:21 AM

Yes thanks buddy yes!!! Now to raise the money.

Deep13 · 08-14-2008, 01:23 PM

I heard from a reliable source that Colt has no plans to build any more revolvers period. Revolvers generally and Colt revolvers in particular are just too labor-intensive to make to be worth the effort for them.

jackar · 08-14-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jimkim

I want one in 44 special. Not 44 magnum not 44-40 but 44 special does anyone make a clone in that caliber? The SAA in 44 special has a whole different feel and balance to it. I've only seen one I think it was made before 1920. That was a sweet gun.

I bought a second generation .44 Special, 7.5". I think they made a lot of them. I've seen them on the gun auctions. In Elmer Keiith's book "Sixguns" he had a few of the First Generations in that caliber. What I wouldn't give for one of them.

billy · 08-14-2008, 04:11 PM

i just bought a 27-2 that was made before they were called classics.
i wonder if the classics are pinned/recessed?

cremley · 08-14-2008, 04:37 PM

I have one of those Official police .22's that we are keeping for my grandpa. I have never fired it but I bet it is a very good revolver.

Mike Franklin · 08-22-2008, 12:01 PM

Colt could sell all the SAAs they could make if they'd drop the price BUT right now they sell all they make. When I bought my SAAs I was told that they were made as an investment and it was not intended that they be fired. I told the salesman that if he wanted to, we'd go to the bacl parking lot and each shoot'm. He couldn't understand and I couldn't explain. I still carry a Colt SAA off duty on occasion.

TXplt · 08-22-2008, 12:06 PM

I'd buy a Dick Special to match my Smith 40.

shooter13 · 09-17-2008, 12:23 AM

I would love to have an Official Police Pre war style and a 32-20 Police Positive Special.

07-12-2008, 01:09 PM	#1
Ballbearing Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Boondocks Posts: 146	Smith&Wesson has had much success with their "Classics" line, should Colt try it? Would anyone else like to see the Official Police brought back, or the New Service? Both were excellent, excellent revolvers and i would love to see them brought back. The Police Positive Special and Detective special would be very welcome as well. The Diamondback and the Python could come back for another strike. Colt's revolvers were always their greatest acheivement. The 1911 is ubiquitous and easy and simple to maintain, shoot, field strip and clean. It's the cotton gin of firearms. I'm not putting it down, so don't send me hate mail, it's a great gun and i'm glad it's still around. But there is something about the buttery smoothness and silkiness of that v-spring Colt double-action revolver mechanism that is like nothing else that has ever been produced. I've held them all and worked the actions, and they are all, to a gun (that i've handled), as pleasant a gun to work as i've ever held. Unfortunately, the only one i've actually gotten to shoot was the Police Positive Special in .38 spl.. And for such a light gun with such a diminutive frame it shot very well indeed. And the really marvellous thing about the Dectective Special and the Police Positive, Agent, Cobra and all of the other small frame double-action Colts, was that they weren't any less concealable than a "j" frame Smith, and still held six shots to the Smith's five. I really applaud Smith&Wesson for reproducing the 1917 and the model 21 and 22 and 36 and all the others, and they're great revolvers and worthy successors to their forebearers, but i miss the competition. I miss the old Coke and Pepsi rivalry that Smith and Colt used to have. I don't believe any healthier and more mutually successful competition ever existed.

07-12-2008, 07:00 PM	#2
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,501	Colt has not exactly been a successful manufacturer and marketer in the civilian market for some time. It is a sad note for a firm that was an industry leader for generations of Americans. I would not look for your suggestion to take place although I do congratulate you on a very good idea. Perhaps an aggressive, marketing oriented management will rise in the company sometime in the near future.

07-12-2008, 07:08 PM	#3
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,056 Blog Entries: 11	I would like to see Colt come out with a classic series. Who could afford one though? Some one at Colt decided they were making collector's items instead of firearms. So their products are price accordingly. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

07-13-2008, 03:19 PM	#5
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,513	Colt can try, but if they can't even keep their custom dept. providing good work and quality service, it just might all be for not? If I can explain. My FFL, well one I use, told me another customer of hers had ordered a custom colt, think she said model 29 or something? Anyhow, it came in and the customer opened the box while still in her store. Upon his inspection he found a screw loose and one missing. She, the FFL said where these screws went, but I forget, but I do remember her saying one was long and one was short, and it was the long one that was missing and the short one that was loose. First, why would Colt, let alone the CUSTOM DEPT. let any gun leave like that? Anyhow, she, the FFL, called Colt's custom dept., and explained all this, and requested the long screw. The screw came in a few days, the wrong, short screw that is. UNREAL! __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-20-2008, 10:43 AM	#9
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,596	I would like to see both the Diamondback and the Python make a comeback but only if the prices were affordable to the general public. I would like to have a Colt S/A Army but as Billy says there are many well made clones on the market for much less money. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

07-13-2008, 02:51 PM	#4
royal pain Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ct. Posts: 1	i hope someone can help me,i have a colt officers model special serial #78xxx made in 1950.has 6in.bull barrel,looks exactly like python except for said barrel.has python walnut grips w/silver custom shop medallion on left panel.ive looked at other officers model specials by colt,& they look nothing like this revolver.i believe it to be a precurser to the python.it appears to be in 98% condition.

07-20-2008, 09:31 AM	#7
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	'I would like to see Colt come out with a classic series. Who could afford one though? Some one at Colt decided they were making collector's items instead of firearms. So their products are price accordingly.' If they'd get the price down on the SAA I'd buy a couple more. As it is I have 2 and unless I hit the Lotto 2 is all I'll ever have. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

07-20-2008, 11:12 AM	#10
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,056 Blog Entries: 11	I want one in 44 special. Not 44 magnum not 44-40 but 44 special does anyone make a clone in that caliber? The SAA in 44 special has a whole different feel and balance to it. I've only seen one I think it was made before 1920. That was a sweet gun. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

07-20-2008, 11:21 AM	#12
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,056 Blog Entries: 11	Yes thanks buddy yes!!! Now to raise the money. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

08-14-2008, 01:23 PM	#13
Deep13 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 203	I heard from a reliable source that Colt has no plans to build any more revolvers period. Revolvers generally and Colt revolvers in particular are just too labor-intensive to make to be worth the effort for them.

08-14-2008, 04:11 PM	#15
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,215 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i just bought a 27-2 that was made before they were called classics. i wonder if the classics are pinned/recessed? __________________

08-14-2008, 04:37 PM	#16
cremley Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern New Mexico Posts: 973	I have one of those Official police .22's that we are keeping for my grandpa. I have never fired it but I bet it is a very good revolver. __________________ There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who have guns and those who dig. You dig.

08-22-2008, 12:01 PM	#17
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	Colt could sell all the SAAs they could make if they'd drop the price BUT right now they sell all they make. When I bought my SAAs I was told that they were made as an investment and it was not intended that they be fired. I told the salesman that if he wanted to, we'd go to the bacl parking lot and each shoot'm. He couldn't understand and I couldn't explain. I still carry a Colt SAA off duty on occasion. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

08-22-2008, 12:06 PM	#18
TXplt Lost in the Ozone Again Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 2,838 Images: 4 Blog Entries: 2	I'd buy a Dick Special to match my Smith 40. __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

09-17-2008, 12:23 AM	#19
shooter13 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4	I would love to have an Official Police Pre war style and a 32-20 Police Positive Special.