Competitive Shooting - No Cowboys, No Silhouettes

OneInchGroup · 07-21-2005, 12:43 PM

I'm just crushed to see that under Competitive Shooting, there's no Bench Rest, No 3 gun, and worst of all NO SLUGSHOOTING TARGET COMPETITION!!!

As a founding member of a little group called American SlugShooting Association, I find this situation unacceptable!

Anybody feel their leg being pulled yet?

Actually just jumped in here to invite anybody with an interest in Shotgun competition to join our new group. ASSA and sign up for the monthly contests. We're new, we're really pushy about drawing attention to this new National Competition, and we're offering an amazing deal on cost of membership and cost of competing.

Service Veterans, Active Military, and Law Enforcement members all are eligible for FREE annual membership, and we offer discounts to NRA members and group competition packages for larger Gun Clubs.

There are Member Forums and Live OnLine Chat, all about slug guns, the contests, and the hardware needed. Come see us. Let's make some noise! www.slugshooting.com

lefty o · 07-21-2005, 12:48 PM

maybe you should try wingshooting with that shotgun?!

OneInchGroup · 07-22-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

maybe you should try wingshooting with that shotgun?!

Um, I'd do that, but we have the very devil of a time finding any flying deer or bears, and most of the target tossing machines we've seen don't seem to have the power to launch either of those. And of course the rifling tends to make birdshot fly all crazy, so you never know what, or who, you might hit with it.

I think we're likely discussing two fairly different programs, one where you need to hit quick within a couple feet of the target, and the other having to do with ultimate long-range accuracy, but the target stays still? Probably takes a bit of cerebral flexibility to encompass both shooting disciplines.

lefty o · 07-22-2005, 12:59 PM

you are correct , we are discussing 2 different types of shooting. i kind of figured you may like to try and discuss other types of shooting, since you've been here ive only seen you continually mention your little slug shooting group and nothing else. sorry, just my own personal observation.

OneInchGroup · 08-09-2005, 06:07 PM

OK Lefty, I just got back and noticed you're taking issue with me being a bit single minded about SlugShooting, and my not wanting to convert my slug rig for trap or skeet. UMM.

There seems to be a couple forums here that are 100% Skeet, or Trap, or Ruger.22, but I'm getting the carpet call for stayng with a section of shotgun sports that doesn't have anybody else being an advocate for it?

Our "little slugshooting group" as you call it has only been officially on the boards for a few months. We are trying hard to promote Slugshooting as a competition and as a way to get shotgunners to be better at it when they go for deer a couple weeks out of the year, to cut down on the number of cows and cars that get shot in season.

What I'm feeling here is the same sort of "You can't do that here" spirit we constantly run into at shooting ranges who won't allow us to use their facilities because you are not supposed to do anything with a shotgun except crack clay birds or knock over tin chickens at 25 feet. Kinda feels like a Thoroughbred jockey showing up at a trotter's race.............

Best I can do is invite anyone who does have an interest in our "little slugshooting group" to come on over to www.slugshooting.com, where they will be allowed to talk about it all they want.

Silhouette shooters are invited too. I''m pretty sure we'll even maybe get a wingshooter or two to show up. Sure do hope you'll be amongst them. I'll try not to be too inclined to intrude over here, in future.

lefty o · 08-09-2005, 11:02 PM

im not in charge here, i just made an observation. i think its great you found your own little niche in the firearms world, but if i were in charge here i would expect you took a more active role in this forum, with the exception of spamming the site for your own sites benefits. so im sorry if ive offended you, please dont think my feelings reflect the entire membership of this sight, but i personally think it is rude to take advantage of this forum , by using it as advertisement for your own. it is possible that behavior like that is why you find it difficult to get acceptance for you and your slug gun at your local ranges.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-10-2005, 01:08 AM

How about discussing more slug shooting here and giving us reason to open a slug shooting forum? I mean talk of experiences slug shooting, what's good, what's bad, and where to get good shoulder and neck surgery afterwards?

I just got a slug barrel for my 870 and shot about a 6" group at 35yds with Federal 3" Sabots. Hey, it was my first time. I shot quite a bit for a first time, getting comfortable with my own gun and verifying that my friend's was indeed a foot and a half off at 35yds.

OneInchGroup · 08-10-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

How about discussing more slug shooting here and giving us reason to open a slug shooting forum? I mean talk of experiences slug shooting, what's good, what's bad, and where to get good shoulder and neck surgery afterwards?

I just got a slug barrel for my 870 and shot about a 6" group at 35yds with Federal 3" Sabots. Hey, it was my first time. I shot quite a bit for a first time, getting comfortable with my own gun and verifying that my friend's was indeed a foot and a half off at 35yds.

Hello, G3

Thanks for the words of encouragement. Slug shooting is an acquired taste, and like any of the other more established shooting disciplines requires lots of practice to reach any kind of proficiency. The problem short term has been that many shooting ranges are committed to the most popular shooting sports or games, and so either have no physical setup for long range shotgun shooting, or refuse access to the 100 yard plus range segments because they are reserved to "Rifles Only"

Obviously we also have a bit of a problem with some Trap and Skeet folks who feel that putting sights and rifled barrels on shotguns is a seriously antisocial behavior that needs to be fought against very strongly. The other side of the fence, benchrest rifle shooters, are also of the opinion that a slug gun is some kind of an aberration that should only be allowed in the East, where shotgun only deer season is an acceptable, though just barely, excuse to allow for "Hybrid Guns" to be allowed to exist.

I personally had a fellow shooting next to me at a benchrest location complain to the RangeMaster that my gun had an unpleasant sound to it that was disrupting his shooting session. He was firing a .270, and felt that his weapon had a nice, crisp report, while my 12 gauge was just too low pitched and thundery sounding to be acceptable. Just to dispel the opinion of some that us Slug shooters are some kind of pushy upstarts, my solution was to withdraw from shooting there until Mr. .270 was done with his session, letting the fellow have the whole benchrest area to himself for 2 hours while all us Slug Guys went for a long lunch.

And of course if you bring up your interest in this new shooting discipline in the presence of devotees of the older shooting sports, then there is that response that you're being too pushy about your own agenda.

All carping aside, one of the fun things about slug competition shooting is that it's still a bit of an unrestricted sport, where the rules are simple, and we are doing our best to keep it that way. In a 100 yard shoot, folks can use any gun, any sighting system, any kind of shooting position, and any ammunition they want.

All you have to do is figure out a combination that shoots a tighter 5 shot group than anybody else. Some guys win with their duck guns just by mounting a set of rifle sights for the day, and some others get to go a little crazy with Olympics grade hardware to get the same kind of scores in the end.

Most unusual rig we've seen to date was an 870 with a rifled barrel plus Hastings Metro Barrel extension (Total barrel length nearly 6 feet) and a 36-40 Weaver varmint scope for a sighting device.

Now that there is a national organization ready and willing to post anybody's shooting results, you don't even have to go to some huge "sanctioned" event 300 miles from home to be a National competitor. Just send in your target for judging like everybody else, and if you're the hot shot of the month, then everybody knows it.

That's my take on the sport as it exists today. The assumption is that roughly 1/3 of all shotgun owners either have or will use slugs for hunting at some point in time. I'm hopeful that a large chunk of that group will try terget competition with their slug guns. It's a different kind of sport than any other, there is as much diversity in equipment and ammunition choices as with any other niche, and slug shooting expertise has real world usefulness for anyone who wants to be a serious deer hunter in many areas of the country.

Wonder if Chick-Fila would let us use their cow ads to say "Shoot More Slugs" along with their "eat More Chiken" slogan???

Anybody wants to talk about slug shooting here, we'll keep and eye out for ya. Anybody looking to jump us for pushing "our little website", or spamming you guys, or whatever, come to our site, if you can find us, and you'll see our links pages have a click through to take you back home, back here, so you don't risk getting all lost out there in the Internet

BattleRifleG3 · 08-10-2005, 04:33 PM

Posting about your site on another site is one of those internet etiquette issues that no one can really nail down well. It never hurts to talk to the admin just to get an understanding of what's good, what's not, and how to do what you do right.

i don't think anyone here hates slug shooters. That guy with the 270 seems like a total retard. Maybe I'm on crack, but last 270 I heard was far louder than a slug gun.

I use slugs plenty, have liked them from the start. Blown up quite a few soft targets with them. My favorite was Barney the Purple Dinosaur. His eyes bulged and he flailed as he fell off his seat. I have a GIF file of it somewhere.

Your description of slug shooting competition seems pretty neat. What folks here would probably appreciate a lot is if you hung around and contributed to others' threads as well as posting your own about your own forum and organization. Encouraging folks to take part in the sport is perfectly fine. Hope to see you all over the forum.

OneInchGroup · 08-10-2005, 05:02 PM

Hi G3

Voice of reason strikes again. Agree with all you had to say. Tend to get my back up when folks are uncharitable about the niche I'm working in. Anyway, checked my own stats and noticed that out of the 36 posts made since joining up, a sizeable minority are kinda referenced to slug shooting, although a lot have been in other areas, so I'm not 100% single minded about it. There's a tendency to want to bring it up, kind of like dragging out your favorite "chased that !!!!ed deer 10 miles" story when the campfire tales get told. Most folks want to discuss a subject they know something about, I suppose.
Likely the issue is that since there is no dedicated forum for the niche, then any post about it will ruffle somebody, coming from me. Not being a wingshooter, its tough to contribute much to the discussions about clay cracking that make up a few hundred posts a week around here...........

Again, thanks for your tolerance. I'm working on the etiqutte, not wanting to have anyone huffing and puffing at me for violations of protocol, real or imagined.
Meanwhile, anybody want to hazard a guess about how silly a 6 foot long shotgun looks, right up to the time when it and its operator, having been nearly laughed off the property, turns around and blows the red dot right out of the 100yard rifle target? That's some serious (slug) shooting.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-10-2005, 07:00 PM

6 foot shotgun? Now that couldn't have the metro extension there. We're going to need some pics of that one! That would be my kind of gun. I'll have to link later to a pic of my customized 1100, but suffice it to say that since my first exposure to guns was musketry, I've always had a place in my heart for the gianormous guns.

OneInchGroup · 08-12-2005, 12:23 PM

BattleRifleG3,

Did'nt have a PIC of the guy at our competition, but found one of what seems pretty much the same setup. It is the MetroBarrel. I understand they are being used a lot now in NJ by animal control hunters taking out excess deer, where the low noise aspect is the primary concern. This rig with subsonic slugs makes about as much noise as a .22 rifle. Kind of a light crack with a follow up whistling noise that's a bit wierd until you get used to hearing it.

[url=http://www.metrogun.com/PR05161075803.jpg[/URL]

I'd post the photo, but there seems to be a moderator 'round here that's got html and .img posting capabilities shut off, at least for us FNG's.

BattleRifleG3 · 08-12-2005, 01:40 PM

I think it's this forum that has image code shut off.

OneInchGroup · 08-12-2005, 02:05 PM

Ok, but howabout that shotgun??????????????

musicmaniac · 08-12-2005, 02:08 PM

that is definitely the most interesting shotgun i have seen... AWESOME!

OneInchGroup · 08-12-2005, 02:22 PM

Actually, what it really amounts to is a stock 12 gauge slug gun with a Hastings/MetroBarrel extension screwed in where the choke tube would normally be, making it essentially the longest fully ported choke tube you are ever likely to see. With that thing assembled like it is, it's also as close to a silenced "rifle" as you can get without lots of hassle from ATF. These are being used on deer in urban areas of NJ, at night, by animal control personnel, and so far no one has made a single noise complaint, since the sound at any distance past a few feet is no louder than slamming a car door.

Gyrene · 08-12-2005, 08:05 PM

Hey OneInchGroup, just to inject a little humor here! I stopped shooting slugs, cause they spatter too much and it gets all over my boots, and the gooey mess is hard to clean off except with a stainless steel brush!

OneInchGroup · 08-13-2005, 10:07 PM

Ok Gyrene, I understand. That's why our association is going to sign up for another domain name or two pretty soon. we already have www.slugshooting.com and www.slugshooter.com registered to our American SlugShooting Association, figure to sign up for www.killescargot.com, and maybe www.snailsmacker.com as well.

Otter · 08-14-2005, 07:49 AM

I've got a Bennelli M1 super 90 with a slug barrel, shot barrel, scope mount, and the assault stock, limit rods for 3, or 5 round capacity, I raised some eyebrows the first couple of times I went to the club to shoot skeet. I'm not good and feel that if they would let me load 8 rounds fewer clays would get away. I'll check the site and run the idea passed some of my friends at the club. We don't have any rule against shotguns on the rifle range. The range officials over look the rule against pistols on the skeet range, I wear my side arm and state police hat when I shoot skeet and no one says anything about it.

"Life is too important to be taken seriously."

OneInchGroup · 09-16-2005, 03:20 PM

Turned on a new bennie for new members just lately.

Two years General Members' dues FREE for anyone who joins NRA or renews their annual membership from our NRA page link on the website at www.slugshooting.com

Looking for all who've been "thinking it over" to dive in now that it's a freebie.

07-21-2005, 12:43 PM	#1
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	Competitive Shooting - No Cowboys, No Silhouettes I'm just crushed to see that under Competitive Shooting, there's no Bench Rest, No 3 gun, and worst of all NO SLUGSHOOTING TARGET COMPETITION!!! As a founding member of a little group called American SlugShooting Association, I find this situation unacceptable! Anybody feel their leg being pulled yet? Actually just jumped in here to invite anybody with an interest in Shotgun competition to join our new group. ASSA and sign up for the monthly contests. We're new, we're really pushy about drawing attention to this new National Competition, and we're offering an amazing deal on cost of membership and cost of competing. Service Veterans, Active Military, and Law Enforcement members all are eligible for FREE annual membership, and we offer discounts to NRA members and group competition packages for larger Gun Clubs. There are Member Forums and Live OnLine Chat, all about slug guns, the contests, and the hardware needed. Come see us. Let's make some noise! www.slugshooting.com

08-09-2005, 06:07 PM	#5
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	One-Trick Ponies OK Lefty, I just got back and noticed you're taking issue with me being a bit single minded about SlugShooting, and my not wanting to convert my slug rig for trap or skeet. UMM. There seems to be a couple forums here that are 100% Skeet, or Trap, or Ruger.22, but I'm getting the carpet call for stayng with a section of shotgun sports that doesn't have anybody else being an advocate for it? Our "little slugshooting group" as you call it has only been officially on the boards for a few months. We are trying hard to promote Slugshooting as a competition and as a way to get shotgunners to be better at it when they go for deer a couple weeks out of the year, to cut down on the number of cows and cars that get shot in season. What I'm feeling here is the same sort of "You can't do that here" spirit we constantly run into at shooting ranges who won't allow us to use their facilities because you are not supposed to do anything with a shotgun except crack clay birds or knock over tin chickens at 25 feet. Kinda feels like a Thoroughbred jockey showing up at a trotter's race............. Best I can do is invite anyone who does have an interest in our "little slugshooting group" to come on over to www.slugshooting.com, where they will be allowed to talk about it all they want. Silhouette shooters are invited too. I''m pretty sure we'll even maybe get a wingshooter or two to show up. Sure do hope you'll be amongst them. I'll try not to be too inclined to intrude over here, in future.

08-10-2005, 01:08 AM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	How about discussing more slug shooting here and giving us reason to open a slug shooting forum? I mean talk of experiences slug shooting, what's good, what's bad, and where to get good shoulder and neck surgery afterwards? I just got a slug barrel for my 870 and shot about a 6" group at 35yds with Federal 3" Sabots. Hey, it was my first time. I shot quite a bit for a first time, getting comfortable with my own gun and verifying that my friend's was indeed a foot and a half off at 35yds. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-10-2005, 04:33 PM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Posting about your site on another site is one of those internet etiquette issues that no one can really nail down well. It never hurts to talk to the admin just to get an understanding of what's good, what's not, and how to do what you do right. i don't think anyone here hates slug shooters. That guy with the 270 seems like a total retard. Maybe I'm on crack, but last 270 I heard was far louder than a slug gun. I use slugs plenty, have liked them from the start. Blown up quite a few soft targets with them. My favorite was Barney the Purple Dinosaur. His eyes bulged and he flailed as he fell off his seat. I have a GIF file of it somewhere. Your description of slug shooting competition seems pretty neat. What folks here would probably appreciate a lot is if you hung around and contributed to others' threads as well as posting your own about your own forum and organization. Encouraging folks to take part in the sport is perfectly fine. Hope to see you all over the forum. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-10-2005, 05:02 PM	#10
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	Competitive Shooting and Etiquette Hi G3 Voice of reason strikes again. Agree with all you had to say. Tend to get my back up when folks are uncharitable about the niche I'm working in. Anyway, checked my own stats and noticed that out of the 36 posts made since joining up, a sizeable minority are kinda referenced to slug shooting, although a lot have been in other areas, so I'm not 100% single minded about it. There's a tendency to want to bring it up, kind of like dragging out your favorite "chased that !!!!ed deer 10 miles" story when the campfire tales get told. Most folks want to discuss a subject they know something about, I suppose. Likely the issue is that since there is no dedicated forum for the niche, then any post about it will ruffle somebody, coming from me. Not being a wingshooter, its tough to contribute much to the discussions about clay cracking that make up a few hundred posts a week around here........... Again, thanks for your tolerance. I'm working on the etiqutte, not wanting to have anyone huffing and puffing at me for violations of protocol, real or imagined. Meanwhile, anybody want to hazard a guess about how silly a 6 foot long shotgun looks, right up to the time when it and its operator, having been nearly laughed off the property, turns around and blows the red dot right out of the 100yard rifle target? That's some serious (slug) shooting.

07-21-2005, 12:48 PM	#2
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,804	maybe you should try wingshooting with that shotgun?!

07-22-2005, 12:59 PM	#4
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,804	you are correct , we are discussing 2 different types of shooting. i kind of figured you may like to try and discuss other types of shooting, since you've been here ive only seen you continually mention your little slug shooting group and nothing else. sorry, just my own personal observation.

08-09-2005, 11:02 PM	#6
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,804	im not in charge here, i just made an observation. i think its great you found your own little niche in the firearms world, but if i were in charge here i would expect you took a more active role in this forum, with the exception of spamming the site for your own sites benefits. so im sorry if ive offended you, please dont think my feelings reflect the entire membership of this sight, but i personally think it is rude to take advantage of this forum , by using it as advertisement for your own. it is possible that behavior like that is why you find it difficult to get acceptance for you and your slug gun at your local ranges.

08-10-2005, 07:00 PM	#11
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	6 foot shotgun? Now that couldn't have the metro extension there. We're going to need some pics of that one! That would be my kind of gun. I'll have to link later to a pic of my customized 1100, but suffice it to say that since my first exposure to guns was musketry, I've always had a place in my heart for the gianormous guns. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-12-2005, 12:23 PM	#12
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	Six Foot Shotgun BattleRifleG3, Did'nt have a PIC of the guy at our competition, but found one of what seems pretty much the same setup. It is the MetroBarrel. I understand they are being used a lot now in NJ by animal control hunters taking out excess deer, where the low noise aspect is the primary concern. This rig with subsonic slugs makes about as much noise as a .22 rifle. Kind of a light crack with a follow up whistling noise that's a bit wierd until you get used to hearing it. [url=http://www.metrogun.com/PR05161075803.jpg[/URL] I'd post the photo, but there seems to be a moderator 'round here that's got html and .img posting capabilities shut off, at least for us FNG's.

08-12-2005, 01:40 PM	#13
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	I think it's this forum that has image code shut off. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-12-2005, 02:05 PM	#14
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	Ok, but howabout that shotgun??????????????

08-12-2005, 02:08 PM	#15
musicmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 473 Images: 7	that is definitely the most interesting shotgun i have seen... AWESOME!

08-12-2005, 02:22 PM	#16
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	Actually, what it really amounts to is a stock 12 gauge slug gun with a Hastings/MetroBarrel extension screwed in where the choke tube would normally be, making it essentially the longest fully ported choke tube you are ever likely to see. With that thing assembled like it is, it's also as close to a silenced "rifle" as you can get without lots of hassle from ATF. These are being used on deer in urban areas of NJ, at night, by animal control personnel, and so far no one has made a single noise complaint, since the sound at any distance past a few feet is no louder than slamming a car door.

08-12-2005, 08:05 PM	#17
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	Hey OneInchGroup, just to inject a little humor here! I stopped shooting slugs, cause they spatter too much and it gets all over my boots, and the gooey mess is hard to clean off except with a stainless steel brush!

08-13-2005, 10:07 PM	#18
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	Ok Gyrene, I understand. That's why our association is going to sign up for another domain name or two pretty soon. we already have www.slugshooting.com and www.slugshooter.com registered to our American SlugShooting Association, figure to sign up for www.killescargot.com, and maybe www.snailsmacker.com as well.

08-14-2005, 07:49 AM	#19
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 955 Images: 6	I've got a Bennelli M1 super 90 with a slug barrel, shot barrel, scope mount, and the assault stock, limit rods for 3, or 5 round capacity, I raised some eyebrows the first couple of times I went to the club to shoot skeet. I'm not good and feel that if they would let me load 8 rounds fewer clays would get away. I'll check the site and run the idea passed some of my friends at the club. We don't have any rule against shotguns on the rifle range. The range officials over look the rule against pistols on the skeet range, I wear my side arm and state police hat when I shoot skeet and no one says anything about it. "Life is too important to be taken seriously." __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

09-16-2005, 03:20 PM	#20
OneInchGroup Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 123	Turned on a new bennie for new members just lately. Two years General Members' dues FREE for anyone who joins NRA or renews their annual membership from our NRA page link on the website at www.slugshooting.com Looking for all who've been "thinking it over" to dive in now that it's a freebie.