C&R Sales to California

zino · 09-03-2009, 02:11 AM

I have noticed that some C&R gun ads on line state no sales to California. What is the reason behind this when the sale seems perfectly legal?

cheapblaster · 09-03-2009, 04:50 AM

Here's my take on it:

First, CA has its own definition of C&R guns. Long guns must be over 50 years old (never mind if BATFE has classified it as C&R) and cannot have a combination of features that make it an "assault rifle" under California law. Might be confusing to someone not familiar with CA laws.

Second, all handguns shipped to California must be transfered by an 01 license holder, does not matter if the actual buyer has a C&R or not.

Third, for an out of state vendor to ship to a CA 01 holder, the sender must go through a process with the CA DOJ to certify that the receiving party holds a proper license, kind of a PITA. The language of that requirement is vague enough that it might be read that this is required before shipping to an 03 holder as well (not true, but a possible misunderstanding).

I'd chalk it up to a combination of ignorance of what's legal here combined with a system that is kind of a pain, along with a little "screw CA anyway" sentiment. But mainly that some believe they can't sell to CA and still cover their butt. So to avoid any risk, "no sales to CA."

Vlad92 · 09-09-2009, 02:22 AM

Big dissapointment, there have been rifles that i wouldve clicked the "buy it now" option, but big surprise - they wouldnt ship to CA, even though its a legal firearm here.

EOD Guy · 09-10-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapblaster

Here's my take on it:
First, CA has its own definition of C&R guns. Long guns must be over 50 years old (never mind if BATFE has classified it as C&R) and cannot have a combination of features that make it an "assault rifle" under California law. Might be confusing to someone not familiar with CA laws.

Not true. California uses the Federal definition to classify C&R firearms. If the Feds say a firearms is C&R, so does California law. The confusion comes in because California C&R FFL holders can directly receive only C&R rifles or shotguns that are over 50 years old. All other C&R firearms must go through a dealer.

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Second, all handguns shipped to California must be transfered by an 01 license holder, does not matter if the actual buyer has a C&R or not
Third, for an out of state vendor to ship to a CA 01 holder, the sender must go through a process with the CA DOJ to certify that the receiving party holds a proper license, kind of a PITA. The language of that requirement is vague enough that it might be read that this is required before shipping to an 03 holder as well (not true, but a possible misunderstanding).
I'd chalk it up to a combination of ignorance of what's legal here combined with a system that is kind of a pain, along with a little "screw CA anyway" sentiment. But mainly that some believe they can't sell to CA and still cover their butt. So to avoid any risk, "no sales to CA."

Sabot · 09-24-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by zino

I have noticed that some C&R gun ads on line state no sales to California. What is the reason behind this when the sale seems perfectly legal?

Ignorance, fear of breaking the law, and anger towards Californians.

Iron_Colonel · 09-24-2009, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabot

Ignorance, fear of breaking the law, and anger towards Californians.

Its a shame, but I think it also may have to do with distributors just not wanting to deal with the hassle at all, so they don't do it.

Sabot · 10-03-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad92

Big dissapointment, there have been rifles that i wouldve clicked the "buy it now" option, but big surprise - they wouldnt ship to CA, even though its a legal firearm here.

I saw a K-98 Mauser on Gunbroker that I wanted, it went through the loop several times without ever a bid on it. I would have clicked on the "buy it now" button but the seller said "NO SALES TO CALIFORNIA, DON'T EVEN ASK".

frenchy · 10-04-2009, 12:49 AM

People are so sick of red tape and fees it keeps many of us from trying to
start a new small business and realize our dreams. My house and small shop [detached garage] are zoned commercial but i could never afford to
make it comply with all the ordinances and fees. But we must be protected from ourselves! we might run with scissors and there goes an eye!

Pronsias · 10-17-2009, 09:23 PM

CA won't allow certain C&R firearms, such as the Yugoslavian SKS (scary grenade launcher!)

99dragon · 11-10-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by frenchy

People are so sick of red tape and fees it keeps many of us from trying to
start a new small business and realize our dreams. My house and small shop [detached garage] are zoned commercial but i could never afford to
make it comply with all the ordinances and fees. But we must be protected from ourselves! we might run with scissors and there goes an eye!

I live in Germany... red tape should be called German tape... The little bit of red tape that you have to go through to realize your dream would be a a dream for me to be able to do anything. Just so you get a little perspective:

In order to own a gun you have to have a reason. Sportsman (target) can only own guns that are related to the sport. So if you are in the local pistol team you cannot own a rifle. if you are in a rifle team but the local gun range only has a rimfire range, you can only own a rimfire.

As a hunter you are limited to a rifle and a shotgun. BTW a hunting license will cost around $5000 to get a permit. then you pay an annual fee. There are no open hunting lands. You have to lease a hunting property. On the hunting property (usually made up of farming areas) you are responsible for all damage that game does, so if the wild boar eat up a field you need to pay the farmer for the damages.

It is also illegal to wash your car in your driveway. For the northerners... it is illegal to idle your car for more than 2 minutes. If you refuse to give a breath test, they can beat you into submission and take a blood test.

I am looking forward to moving back and going through the little "red tape". and breakfast eating at IHOP.

Sgtsquid · 11-10-2009, 09:13 PM

Move east to Nevada and hope that Kali breaks off and floats away, that way you'll have waterfront property.

Roys · 11-10-2009, 09:42 PM

To Sgtsquid,
Funny you should say that.
I once had a girlfriend that lived in California and her mother was into astrology and she figured out when CA was going to fall off into the ocean, so they all moved back to Utah during the period that it was supposed to happen, well it didn’t and they all moved back and as far as I know it was still there two days ago when I spoke to my brother.
Oh and by the way, were you taking the scenic route to Nevada? When I flew from Germany to Nevada we went WEST. Just thought I would mention it.
Roy

Sgtsquid · 11-11-2009, 09:35 AM

Oh and by the way, were you taking the scenic route to Nevada? When I flew from Germany to Nevada we went WEST. Just thought I would mention it.
Roy[/QUOTE]

Not really Roy, if you flew West you passed over Nevada to get to Kali, if you wanted to Go To Nevada from Kali, you would travel East. I feel like this is a sixth grade math question!

R5CYA · 11-11-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgtsquid

Move east to Nevada and hope that Kali breaks off and floats away, that way you'll have waterfront property.

i'm just hoping so-cal breaks off. they're the anti-gun wusses with all the vote. we'd be in great shape up north if they either split the state in half or they dropped into the ocean.

Pronsias · 11-11-2009, 04:52 PM

Somehow I don't think San Bruno is a very pro-gun city... still in light of the budget crisis, it might work better to split the state in two. The southern part can be the 51st state, and take all their problems with them.

ACfixer · 11-11-2009, 05:00 PM

Sorry guys, Nor Cal is where the problems are. Liberal beyond belief around the SF Bay areas and last time I checked Sacramento was in Nor Cal.

R5CYA · 11-11-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ACfixer

Sorry guys, Nor Cal is where the problems are. Liberal beyond belief around the SF Bay areas and last time I checked Sacramento was in Nor Cal.

are you saying our tiny little bay area is outvoting all of greater los angeles and causing the anti-gun problem? i kind of doubt it, but it does make one feel special that we may be more powerful than so-cal when it comes to a vote!

i think some research needs to be done and see just who's responsible for the assnine gun laws we have now. other than oakland and san fran, most towns anywhere near me seem to be favorible towards guns. i allways just assumed it was so-cal voting them into laws. they're the ones with all the bank robberies and shootouts and way more gang warfare than we'll ever see.

R5CYA · 11-11-2009, 10:38 PM

hell, maybe it is our fault. just went to the range and it's closed for the holiday! i figured what better day to shoot than vet day. guess not.

Roys · 11-12-2009, 09:46 PM

Sgtsquid, my mistake, I thought you were answering 99dragon, the guy from Germany, since I did reference Germany in my response.
More like a sixth grade geography question.

Iron_Colonel · 11-13-2009, 01:24 AM

Well, there are gun friendly neighbors to the north and east of CA. Good luck to those that live in CA, hopefully it won't get much worse

09-03-2009, 02:11 AM	#1
zino Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39	C&R Sales to California I have noticed that some C&R gun ads on line state no sales to California. What is the reason behind this when the sale seems perfectly legal?

11-11-2009, 05:00 PM	#16
ACfixer Global warming enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Turning base to final -KAPV- Posts: 707	Sorry guys, Nor Cal is where the problems are. Liberal beyond belief around the SF Bay areas and last time I checked Sacramento was in Nor Cal. __________________

11-11-2009, 10:38 PM	#18
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 2,086	hell, maybe it is our fault. just went to the range and it's closed for the holiday! i figured what better day to shoot than vet day. guess not. __________________ Badges? We got no badges! i aint gotta show you no stinking badges!

11-13-2009, 01:24 AM	#20
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,282	Well, there are gun friendly neighbors to the north and east of CA. Good luck to those that live in CA, hopefully it won't get much worse __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

09-03-2009, 04:50 AM	#2
cheapblaster Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SF Bay area, California Posts: 673 Images: 1	Here's my take on it: First, CA has its own definition of C&R guns. Long guns must be over 50 years old (never mind if BATFE has classified it as C&R) and cannot have a combination of features that make it an "assault rifle" under California law. Might be confusing to someone not familiar with CA laws. Second, all handguns shipped to California must be transfered by an 01 license holder, does not matter if the actual buyer has a C&R or not. Third, for an out of state vendor to ship to a CA 01 holder, the sender must go through a process with the CA DOJ to certify that the receiving party holds a proper license, kind of a PITA. The language of that requirement is vague enough that it might be read that this is required before shipping to an 03 holder as well (not true, but a possible misunderstanding). I'd chalk it up to a combination of ignorance of what's legal here combined with a system that is kind of a pain, along with a little "screw CA anyway" sentiment. But mainly that some believe they can't sell to CA and still cover their butt. So to avoid any risk, "no sales to CA."

09-09-2009, 02:22 AM	#3
Vlad92 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kaliforniastan Posts: 91	Big dissapointment, there have been rifles that i wouldve clicked the "buy it now" option, but big surprise - they wouldnt ship to CA, even though its a legal firearm here.

10-04-2009, 12:49 AM	#8
frenchy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: central CA. Posts: 423	People are so sick of red tape and fees it keeps many of us from trying to start a new small business and realize our dreams. My house and small shop [detached garage] are zoned commercial but i could never afford to make it comply with all the ordinances and fees. But we must be protected from ourselves! we might run with scissors and there goes an eye!

10-17-2009, 09:23 PM	#9
Pronsias Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NV Posts: 151	CA won't allow certain C&R firearms, such as the Yugoslavian SKS (scary grenade launcher!)

11-10-2009, 09:13 PM	#11
Sgtsquid Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 118	Move east to Nevada and hope that Kali breaks off and floats away, that way you'll have waterfront property.

11-10-2009, 09:42 PM	#12
Roys Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 79	To Sgtsquid, Funny you should say that. I once had a girlfriend that lived in California and her mother was into astrology and she figured out when CA was going to fall off into the ocean, so they all moved back to Utah during the period that it was supposed to happen, well it didn’t and they all moved back and as far as I know it was still there two days ago when I spoke to my brother. Oh and by the way, were you taking the scenic route to Nevada? When I flew from Germany to Nevada we went WEST. Just thought I would mention it. Roy

11-11-2009, 09:35 AM	#13
Sgtsquid Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 118	Oh and by the way, were you taking the scenic route to Nevada? When I flew from Germany to Nevada we went WEST. Just thought I would mention it. Roy[/QUOTE] Not really Roy, if you flew West you passed over Nevada to get to Kali, if you wanted to Go To Nevada from Kali, you would travel East. I feel like this is a sixth grade math question!

11-11-2009, 04:52 PM	#15
Pronsias Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NV Posts: 151	Somehow I don't think San Bruno is a very pro-gun city... still in light of the budget crisis, it might work better to split the state in two. The southern part can be the 51st state, and take all their problems with them.

11-12-2009, 09:46 PM	#19
Roys Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 79	Sgtsquid, my mistake, I thought you were answering 99dragon, the guy from Germany, since I did reference Germany in my response. More like a sixth grade geography question.