CZ 52 shot, now questions.....

Iron_Colonel · 07-04-2008, 05:24 PM

I shot a mag through it just now. I was doing a little research for after market parts (firing pin) and found some on e-gunparts (numrich) and I don't know if they are milled/tempered instead of cast like the original CZ factory firing pin.

I would love to call them, but I never get the chance because I get home at 1630 eastern unfortunately after I work M-F. And I figure they didn't work yesterday, and probably not today, but I will have to shoot them an email I guess about the question in question unless anyone can answer it right now.

The firing pins on their site are $22, for that much, I hope they aren't trying to pass $2 cheapo originals as good ones. So if anyone has experience shooting these firing pins, let me know how it went.

I did like how it shot. It felt good in the hand while firing. Its got a nice little kick to it. I am going to wait for tonight and shoot it a little more while its dark. I hear they bark some fire.

The other question I had was if all the 7.62x25 will shoot out of all 7.62x25 guns. Like mil-surp labeled 7.62x25 Tokarev. I would assume it will shoot out of the CZ52 since its the same caliber. I have heard the Czech ammo is more powerful than the other eastern bloc surp stuff, is that true? Just want to make sure before I go buying 1000 rds. Thanks for any input. The sooner the better, because that means the sooner I buy

(I suppose if I bought the wrong 1000 rds, I would have to buy another gun to fit those 1000 rds......................)

FS00008 · 07-04-2008, 05:27 PM

You get home early...

I never get home prior to 1930EST at the earliest haha.

Anyways, I've been gaining lots of interest in those CZs, do you know if they're California legal?

Big Dog · 07-04-2008, 05:54 PM

I let a shooting buddy take me to 'his' range - the "member's only" range on the other side of the county. He had never shot the CZ52 - I had brought mine, and now he wants one!

They do have a certain 'mystique' about them.

Burke · 07-04-2008, 06:41 PM

Great Gun, I qualified for my CCW with it..
and the fire...oh it is to behold..

Iron_Colonel · 07-04-2008, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FS00008

You get home early...

I never get home prior to 1930EST at the earliest haha.

Anyways, I've been gaining lots of interest in those CZs, do you know if they're California legal?

I don't know if they are CA legal, I don't even know the mag capacity. I only put 8 in it, I tried to put 9 in the mag, but it didn't fit. I didn't try to force it either. But I overheard double stack mags were illegal in CA. I don't know CA law, but its a single stack, so I guess you could do 8+1 if you carry it cocked and locked. I've heard pros and cons to carry. So I'd guess and say yes, they are CA legal lol. They are legal in WA

FS00008 · 07-04-2008, 10:29 PM

I want to get one asap. I don't have a C&R and I don't have a reliable FFL here yet so I couldn't have it shipped, so I guess I need to find one at the Cow Palace or something. I do love the 7.62x25 nowadays though. Doubly so since I fired my friend's Tokarev :-D

riverrat · 07-04-2008, 10:47 PM

the cz52 is a great little pistol. I love mine .Anybody know where to get hp ammo for it? All ive been able to find are fmj's.

Pronsias · 07-04-2008, 11:09 PM

The 52 is perfectly CA legal, it carries 8 rounds in the mag btw. The CZ vz. 82 is not in its original form because it carries >10 rounds. J&G sells one that is CA legal however, because it uses smaller magazines.

The Czechoslovakian rounds is supposedly faster, although I don't know if it is meant for the 52 or not. Some loads are intended for submachineguns, I believe, and shouldn't be used in pistols. I use the Romanian rounds and they seem to work fine.

HP is sold here although it's not surplus, and is therefore more expensive (but not corrosive).

Big Dog · 07-05-2008, 07:32 AM

I would NOT carry the CZ52 in "Cocked&Locked" configuration - the safey is actually a 'decocker' and is known to fail - thus - "BANG!" I do carry mine chambered, but not cocked.

phoenix79 · 07-05-2008, 10:00 AM

The CZ52 is a great gun to shoot. As for the numrich firing pins i have no idea whether they are new manufacture or NOS. The rumors about some of the milsurp ammo being hotter than others are false, the main thing to watch out for is cracked necks, this is especially true of the Bulgarian. The Czech ammo is known for hard primers and a lot of click-bangs, and the Romanian seems to be some of the best but even some of that has issues. As for new production ammo you've got S&B, Fiocci, Prvi, Wolf, and Winchester White box which is just S&B re-labeled and the price jacked up. Wolf does make JHP but it can be hard to find.

The CZ52 safety is not just a de-cocker but a regular safety with a de-cocking position as well. However, do NOT trust the decocker, many have been known to cause a bang when used. As for using the CZ52 for carry, this is generally a bad idea, the 7.62x25 round is so small and so high velocity, it will generally go through any bad guy and exit with enough velocity to remain deadly to anyone behind him.

Big Dog · 07-06-2008, 08:06 AM

There is also a 9mm Luger barrel that comes available at odd times. My buddy and I lucked out and got ours 'under the wire' - if you see one, grab it quick, they sell out very fast! Feeding can be quirky, but it offers an alternative to the high-priced 9mm's. Tough bit is getting the new rollers and block, as the barrel comes stripped. The parts my buddy ordered thru Makarov.com never came - it's been some eight months.
There is also a company making 7.62X25 HP defensive ammo - but it is still a mighty small bullet!

Jimbo Indy · 07-08-2008, 08:44 PM

The CZ52 will over penetrate on most any target. I have seen one penetrate 2 layers of an old level II vest with ease (surplus ball ammo). I tried mine at bowling pins. It went clean through the pin and barely knocked it over. Too much velocity with too small a bullet. The Wolf hollow point bullets have tested well in ballistic gel but still lots of penetration.
Want fireballs at the range? Try heavy loads of H-110 behind 90 grain XTP. The little CZ will roar like a 357 mag and the fireball is wonderful.
Recommend heavier recoil spring for this kind of activity.
Sorry to hear about trouble with Makarov.com I purchased the trigger improvement kit which included the machined firing pin, springs, etc. Got quick service and quality parts. Very satisfied. Of course, that was a year ago.

troylaplante · 07-09-2008, 05:33 AM

Educational Zone #25 - Great Firearms - The CZ-52 - Page 1

07-04-2008, 05:24 PM	#1
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 376	CZ 52 shot, now questions..... I shot a mag through it just now. I was doing a little research for after market parts (firing pin) and found some on e-gunparts (numrich) and I don't know if they are milled/tempered instead of cast like the original CZ factory firing pin. I would love to call them, but I never get the chance because I get home at 1630 eastern unfortunately after I work M-F. And I figure they didn't work yesterday, and probably not today, but I will have to shoot them an email I guess about the question in question unless anyone can answer it right now. The firing pins on their site are $22, for that much, I hope they aren't trying to pass $2 cheapo originals as good ones. So if anyone has experience shooting these firing pins, let me know how it went. I did like how it shot. It felt good in the hand while firing. Its got a nice little kick to it. I am going to wait for tonight and shoot it a little more while its dark. I hear they bark some fire. The other question I had was if all the 7.62x25 will shoot out of all 7.62x25 guns. Like mil-surp labeled 7.62x25 Tokarev. I would assume it will shoot out of the CZ52 since its the same caliber. I have heard the Czech ammo is more powerful than the other eastern bloc surp stuff, is that true? Just want to make sure before I go buying 1000 rds. Thanks for any input. The sooner the better, because that means the sooner I buy (I suppose if I bought the wrong 1000 rds, I would have to buy another gun to fit those 1000 rds......................) __________________ Я люблю купить российские винтовки!!

07-04-2008, 05:54 PM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	I let a shooting buddy take me to 'his' range - the "member's only" range on the other side of the county. He had never shot the CZ52 - I had brought mine, and now he wants one! They do have a certain 'mystique' about them. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-04-2008, 06:41 PM	#4
Burke Ahh..Cordite. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gun City, Arizona Posts: 515 Images: 23	Great Gun, I qualified for my CCW with it.. and the fire...oh it is to behold.. __________________ As long as I have a gun in my hand..I control my own destiny.

07-04-2008, 11:09 PM	#8
Pronsias Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NV Posts: 69	The 52 is perfectly CA legal, it carries 8 rounds in the mag btw. The CZ vz. 82 is not in its original form because it carries >10 rounds. J&G sells one that is CA legal however, because it uses smaller magazines. The Czechoslovakian rounds is supposedly faster, although I don't know if it is meant for the 52 or not. Some loads are intended for submachineguns, I believe, and shouldn't be used in pistols. I use the Romanian rounds and they seem to work fine. HP is sold here although it's not surplus, and is therefore more expensive (but not corrosive). Last edited by Pronsias; 07-04-2008 at 11:12 PM.

07-05-2008, 07:32 AM	#9
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	I would NOT carry the CZ52 in "Cocked&Locked" configuration - the safey is actually a 'decocker' and is known to fail - thus - "BANG!" I do carry mine chambered, but not cocked. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-04-2008, 05:27 PM	#2
FS00008 Сергей Иванович Мосин Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 967 Blog Entries: 1	You get home early... I never get home prior to 1930EST at the earliest haha. Anyways, I've been gaining lots of interest in those CZs, do you know if they're California legal?

07-04-2008, 10:29 PM	#6
FS00008 Сергей Иванович Мосин Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 967 Blog Entries: 1	I want to get one asap. I don't have a C&R and I don't have a reliable FFL here yet so I couldn't have it shipped, so I guess I need to find one at the Cow Palace or something. I do love the 7.62x25 nowadays though. Doubly so since I fired my friend's Tokarev :-D

07-04-2008, 10:47 PM	#7
riverrat Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: central tx Posts: 109	the cz52 is a great little pistol. I love mine .Anybody know where to get hp ammo for it? All ive been able to find are fmj's.

07-05-2008, 10:00 AM	#10
phoenix79 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 221	The CZ52 is a great gun to shoot. As for the numrich firing pins i have no idea whether they are new manufacture or NOS. The rumors about some of the milsurp ammo being hotter than others are false, the main thing to watch out for is cracked necks, this is especially true of the Bulgarian. The Czech ammo is known for hard primers and a lot of click-bangs, and the Romanian seems to be some of the best but even some of that has issues. As for new production ammo you've got S&B, Fiocci, Prvi, Wolf, and Winchester White box which is just S&B re-labeled and the price jacked up. Wolf does make JHP but it can be hard to find. The CZ52 safety is not just a de-cocker but a regular safety with a de-cocking position as well. However, do NOT trust the decocker, many have been known to cause a bang when used. As for using the CZ52 for carry, this is generally a bad idea, the 7.62x25 round is so small and so high velocity, it will generally go through any bad guy and exit with enough velocity to remain deadly to anyone behind him.

07-06-2008, 08:06 AM	#11
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	There is also a 9mm Luger barrel that comes available at odd times. My buddy and I lucked out and got ours 'under the wire' - if you see one, grab it quick, they sell out very fast! Feeding can be quirky, but it offers an alternative to the high-priced 9mm's. Tough bit is getting the new rollers and block, as the barrel comes stripped. The parts my buddy ordered thru Makarov.com never came - it's been some eight months. There is also a company making 7.62X25 HP defensive ammo - but it is still a mighty small bullet! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-08-2008, 08:44 PM	#12
Jimbo Indy Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 75	The CZ52 will over penetrate on most any target. I have seen one penetrate 2 layers of an old level II vest with ease (surplus ball ammo). I tried mine at bowling pins. It went clean through the pin and barely knocked it over. Too much velocity with too small a bullet. The Wolf hollow point bullets have tested well in ballistic gel but still lots of penetration. Want fireballs at the range? Try heavy loads of H-110 behind 90 grain XTP. The little CZ will roar like a 357 mag and the fireball is wonderful. Recommend heavier recoil spring for this kind of activity. Sorry to hear about trouble with Makarov.com I purchased the trigger improvement kit which included the machined firing pin, springs, etc. Got quick service and quality parts. Very satisfied. Of course, that was a year ago.

07-09-2008, 05:33 AM	#13
troylaplante Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,223	Educational Zone #25 - Great Firearms - The CZ-52 - Page 1 __________________ troylaplante.com