[Robert Seccombe]

I have followed the 22 Reed Express for a few years, very interesting wildcat and nice combination with the CZ-52.

My photo shows a 223 IMI Urban cartridge designed for use in modified Mini and Micro UZI weapons. Case is 223 reduced to 22.95mm length with a 46 gr bullet at 1902 fps.

Second cartridge is the Soviet 5.45x18mm cartridge for the PSM pistol.

[4rum]

Both impressive ! Admittedly I'm only guessing, but I would imagine one could generate velocities very near 1900 fps with 60 gr. bullets in the stock CZ52. Don't know about stabalizing or accuracy, but velocity has never been in shortage with the CZ.

[Robert Seccombe]

The Reed Express also was developed in 25 cal if I remember ? Enclosed photo shows left to right: 5.45x18mm, 223 Urban, and three 22 cal wildcats made from 30 carbine and 223 as parent cartridges.

Many years ago there was a 22/30 Luger for the Luger pistol, just necking down the 7.65mm (30 Luger) to 22 cal

[4rum]

These are fantastic little zingers considering the limitations of magazine dimensions. (Great pic by the way). The PPC (Perris/Pendal) cartridges did this in some very efficient rifle cartridges. Then ALL the 'short magnums' took off.

I would reccommend Carmichaels 'Book of The Rifle' to anyone who wants good, tested results obtained in a laboratory atmosphere where case dimension proved to be relevant to the overall efficiency of ignition, burn rate, gas expansion and velocity.

Sometimes a restriction in one area (magazine length) will lead to a bonus in another area from further testing and development.

[Dakoma]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 4rum

These are fantastic little zingers considering the limitations of magazine dimensions. (Great pic by the way). The PPC (Perris/Pendal) cartridges did this in some very efficient rifle cartridges. Then ALL the 'short magnums' took off. I would reccommend Carmichaels 'Book of The Rifle' to anyone who wants good, tested results obtained in a laboratory atmosphere where case dimension proved to be relevant to the overall efficiency of ignition, burn rate, gas expansion and velocity. Sometimes a restriction in one area (magazine length) will lead to a bonus in another area from further testing and development.

It sure would'nt keep a man from buying a TC the reed express was chambered for them also,with barrels available.The 25 conversion I was not aware of ,and if it was .257 would be great.The reed was a 3" at 50 yds.,about the same as 30 cal.

[Robert Seccombe]

I think that I was wrong about a 25 Reed Express, it was a 7.62x25mm necked down to 6.5mm in Sweden called the 6.5x25 CQB, kind of a newer cartridge designed to replace 9x19mm

[4rum]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Robert Seccombe

I think that I was wrong about a 25 Reed Express, it was a 7.62x25mm necked down to 6.5mm in Sweden called the 6.5x25 CQB, kind of a newer cartridge designed to replace 9x19mm

... two demerits

[blaster]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 4rum

Both impressive ! Admittedly I'm only guessing, but I would imagine one could generate velocities very near 1900 fps with 60 gr. bullets in the stock CZ52. Don't know about stabalizing or accuracy, but velocity has never been in shortage with the CZ.

my 85gr 7.62x25 load is supposed to go 1900 fps.

[4rum]

I'm savin' up for a chronograph. I hope to be able to post some actual velocities for loads I'm loading soon. I'm getting good results, but I'm not sure on any velocities.

[DWFan]

My buddy uses the well-publicized 14gr H-110/90gr Hornady XTP in his CZ-52 for 1700 fps. I've been kinda curious about how CZ-52 with a 9mm barrel rechambered to 9x23 Winchester would do too.

[Robert Seccombe]

The 224 BOZ is the 10mm auto necked down to use the 5.56mm bullets.

[reloader2]

has anyone tried to use this 762x25 in a rifle for varmits or 1to 200 yds.

[Dakoma]

Not yet,but would be interested and got a 30 cal. barrel blank laying around and was thinking a singleshot,Maybe on a NEF Handi Rifle and it would with long barrel be quiet,like a Mini Whisper to shoot some 150gr.or 200gr.,just a thought though dont have money for smith work right now.

[iwannasee]

How about the .223 Timbs?
.223 Timbs NEW AMMO PRICING

[res45]

A little something I'm working on right now with limited R & D info to give,about all I can say right now is it will destroy a milk jug at 25 yds. Further R & D and accuracy testing to come later.

[ownareedsxpress]

I have 4 cz 52's I also purchased a Reed Express on Gunbroker and the reloading dies for same. Hail the CZ-52.. If we need a gun to be produced again, THIS IS ONE FOR THE BOOKS.

[Dennis]

Wow this is bringing back an old thread. the issue of .38 super or 9x23mm is case dimentions and the chamber area the chamber walls are thin on the bottom of the barrel assembly and where the chamber to barrel machined rebate is. there isnt enough metal left there to hold the bigger cartrige. it has been tried and the units where not durable they didnt hold up well and busted a coupla guns. the .22 cal conversion cartriges are interesting but ya have to ask,.... why do it?
The tok round is a stellar preformer as it is. 100+ yd shots hitting man sized siluettes is easily achievable with a little practice.
I have been able to consistantly make hits on man sized gongs out past 300 yards ( to the amazement of my self and the other shooters present.)
the cz52 is a most exellent pistol. I would like to see a more modern design pistol in the 7.62x25mm cartrige. a high cap Glock in 7.62 tok would be cool. it would do just about everything the 5.7 FN does with a more established ammunition choice.
howa about a MP 5 in 7.62 tok with a drum magazine.
the soviets probably have something off the shelf that would do just fine. the PPsh was a fine weapon but so crudely made and grossly innaccurate it was a spraying bullet hose but it worked.
A better quality semi auto 7.62 tok "camp carbine" style plinker would be a very welcome addition.
we need to keep this cool old cartrige alive. the resurgence of small bullet traveling at warp speed thinking is a welcoming phenonmenon. the fn products are interesting but the concept is rather well established. could a PPsh based product be developed? a fire from the closed bolt semi auto useing that platform as a base?
that would be wayy cool if someone could make it work. I would be willing to venture a guess that something along those lines would sell successfully if the price was reasonable.