A little new to know the rules

dancz · 06-05-2009, 06:48 AM

Hi to you all from down under. I’m new to your forum and only started reading here tonight.

Perhaps you all could point me in the right direction on things. I have a mild interest in the Czech firearms and I’m always looking for different models and information on them.

I have a couple in a small collection, and I notice that some of you also have CZ’s. Do you also post here on the Brnos and other makes of the Czech firearms?

What is the story on posting photos? Should I put up a few shots of what I have when asking questions and would anyone be interested in seeing the few I have from down under?

Many thanks for any help/answers

kansascoyote · 06-05-2009, 07:36 AM

Sure post your pics . As to the answer to you question about other czech weapons educate us you most likely know more on the subjuct than we do .

dancz · 06-06-2009, 08:56 AM

I’ve decided not to bore you all too much by posting all the Czech’s I have but rather to only show some of them as several are similar other than change of calibre etc. I hope to one day to start getting a better collection together.

Please excuse the fact that these are such poor photos, as you can see I usually only throw them on the floor and click a shot before putting them away to shoot at a later date. I’ll list the model and calibres under each for anyone that may be interested.

I’ll add them a page at a time as they don’t seem to fit on only one page

Rimfires first:

I have more of these that span years of production with differences. One even has

Brno model 2. This was the rifle I shot professionally with for a few years and has taken hundreds of goats, pigs, deer and others things.

Brno Model 3

Brno Model 4

Brno 468. This one has had it’s bolt messed with but I have another in original condition

Brno Model 5. I have three different ones of these

Brno 581 Two of these the other is only slightly different and well over used.

611’s in .22Mag and 617 in 17 HMR. At top the standard 617 followed by two engraved 611’s shown in more detail below. The silver one is the only one I’ve ever seen like that, the blued engraved version is one of three that I know of. The last, at the bottom is the standard 611 obviously in 22mag.

DX’s right action

DX’s left action

Love to know more from all you experts on these engraved versions as I don’t have many engraved ones

511

511 with different markings

Brno model 2 with new trademark

Brno Model 2E

CZ 452 2E Lux

CZ452 2E – Varmint This one in 17 HMR. Haven’t bothered with the photos of the .22 and .22 Mag

CZ 452 – 2E. Couple of different types of these

CZ 452 – 2E .22 Mag

dancz · 06-06-2009, 09:00 AM

CZ452-2E Super Exclusive

CZ452 Scout.

CZ452 Nickel Style

452 Silhouette

CZ452 sportster laminated

CZ452 sportster walnut

CZ452 FS

CZ452 Left Hand (No I’m not a lefty)

CZ453 American Of course there are also Americans in the 452 but I have not shown these as they look similar from the outside except for the silver trigger. And remember that you have just gotta get around to getting the different four rimfire calibres.

CZ453 Varmint As with the American above you have to get eight of these too as there are the choice of both 453 and 452 each in four calibres.

dancz · 06-06-2009, 09:02 AM

Now the following are a little more different and are a little more uncommon. What’s the story behind the model two that is engraved. Maybe some of you guys know as I’m still learning all about what the Czech’s made. I certainly have never seen this one before and managed to grab it from Australia. A nice old pecar scope on it too.

Hope someone here can fill in the gaps on this one.

Model2 Left side

Model2 Under trigger

Model2 Under mag

Model2 Right side

Model2 Left side name

Model2 Left action2

Now the following are far easier to explain. The 50th anniversary was a model that CZ released only to the Australian and New Zealand market. A total of only 500 were made so they were a little hard to get. They made them to celebrate 50 years of the model two Brno hence they are marked 1955 to 2005. I managed to get mine quite easily as they came into NZ.

The 70th was a different story. This caused a lot of mystery in that it was referred to as the golden anniversary and was marked in the same way as the 50th with the only exceptions being. Where the first had 50 the second had 70 engraved. Where the 50th was marked 1955 to 2005 the 70th is marked 1936 to 2006. The 70th only went into the US and there were only 70 made. Where the 50th celebrated 50 years of the Brno model 2 through to the CZ 452 the 70th celebrated 70 years of CZ’s. This was far harder to get hold of as none (except mine) has ever made it into NZ and I believe that mine is the only one ever to escape the US.

The only other difference was that the screws under the action on the 50th are gold and the 70th screws are blued otherwise they are identical twins.

dancz · 06-06-2009, 09:03 AM

Anyone into small guns?

Here are some of my Czech handguns. All seem well made. I do have a few others but don’t have photos handy yet

There are the usual CZ 24’s, 27’s 38’s, 45’s, 52’s, 70’s 75’s, 85’s etc

Recently added a Kadet

and also the 30th anniversary model 75 which is quite nice and belongs to the set of anniversary models that include the 452 50th and 70th along with the 550 anniversary model

Then if you like Czech’s that are a little different then does anyone know much about the Pav pistols

Pav Pistols

And from here I guess we would have to look toward some of my subs.

CZ 61 (Scorpion)

ZK383 - 9mm

CZ23 - 9mm

CZ24 - 7.65

Then I guess up size things a little with the belt fed 59.

VZ59 - 7.62

And we have to remember that the BREN started life in Brno

Bren MK I - 303 British

And then I’ll through in a pic of my 58’s just to finish this section off.

VZ58's - 7.62x39

dancz · 06-06-2009, 09:04 AM

Of course if you are into guns rather than rifles Brno also had a line of both. There were the shotgun onlys and also a range of combination shotgun and rifles. Here are most of what I have in these. There may be a couple of others hanging around waiting for me yet.

Semi 12 gauge

ZH101 - 12+12

Brno - 12+12

ZH103 - 12+12

SxS - 12+12

SxS - 16+16

ZH301 - 12+12

Mod 3 - 12+222 Rem

ZH304 - 12+7x57R

Mod 2 - 12+5.6x52R

ZH305 - 12+22 Savage

dancz · 06-06-2009, 09:06 AM

I guess you may also know that the Czechs also made a range of centrefire rifles as well. From the Brno and CZ line up come a few of mine. I have several others not in this group an example would be the 465’s you just can’t have only one of these so I have four, like wise there are others that insist you double up on.

ZBK 110 -- .222 Rem

Brno Fox Mod 2 -- .22 Hornet

ZKW 465 -- .22 Hornet

Brno Fox Mod 2 -- .222 Rem

CZ 527 -- .222 Rem

CZ 527 American -- .204 Ruger

CZ 527 Varmint -- .204 Ruger

CZ 527 FS -- 223

ZKK 601 -- .222 Rem

Brno Fox -- .222 Rem

ZKK 601 -- .223 Rem

ZKK 601 – 6mm Remington custom

ZKK 601 -- .243 Win

ZKK 600 -- .270 Win

ZG 47 -- .270 Win

dancz · 06-06-2009, 09:08 AM

Mod 21 -- 7mm. note the odd (for a 21) round bolt knob

52/57 – 7.62 x 39

ZKK 601 -- .308 Win

ZKK 600 – 30_06

ZG 47 – 30_06

30_06 Unsure of model

ZKK 600 – 30_06

CZ 550 American – 6.5 x 55 S

ZKK 600 – 30_06

CZ 531 – 30_06

dancz · 06-06-2009, 09:10 AM

Mod 21 – 7mm. note that this one only has one trigger

Mod 21 – 8mm. note the bolt is that of a ZG47 but has the 21 handle. This could be a transition model

8mm Full Stocked model

ZG 47 – 8 x 64

ZKK600 - 30_06

CZ550 Minnesota - 308

A couple of VZ33's - 8mm

ZKK 602 - 375H&H

ZKK 602 - 458 Win

CZ 550 Safari Classic - 458 Lott

So that’s about it guys. Not all of them and I do have several other makes well but this does start my collection of the Czechs. One day time, if I get a little luck and a little money together at the same time I may get a few more and be able to claim to have a collection.

Oh… hang on a minute I forgot another one. The jubilee 50th anniversary model 550 of which only 500 were going to be made as a limited edition.

CZ550-70thRightAction

CZ550-70thRightFront

CZ550-70thLeftButt

CZ550-70thLeftAction

CZ550-70thLeftFront

Now the 550 does look quite nice as well.

Farmer · 06-07-2009, 04:35 AM

dancz,
we down a little south seem to like them a little more than the yanks.

i love my 527 american in 223, it can shoot sub half moa.

Midas · 06-07-2009, 04:41 AM

I only own a couple of CZ 550 rifles (.416 Rigby, .458 Lott) and I love both of them to pieces, they are well made, tough as nails hunting rifles, and I personally find them very appealing to the eye.

I will be looking to get one in 9.3x62 Mauser before long.

Love the pictures sir, you have a nice battery.

Dakoma · 06-07-2009, 05:12 AM

I dont see any pictures,where might they be?

I found them,and you have some verry verry nice Rifles and pistols,thanks for the pictures,and you have more rifles and pistols?

Kappy · 06-09-2009, 12:24 AM

OK... Jeez... what the heck? That's a LOT of guns. You could take two a week to the range and still not get to them all. I mean... wow.

blaster · 06-09-2009, 08:19 AM

fantastic CZ collection!! about the only CZ that I didn't see there that I know about is the CZ 82 pistol. are the sub guns live? I thought your Gov't protected people against those evil things. (or is it just the poor Aussies saddled with those laws?)

trustnoone.45 · 06-09-2009, 09:06 AM

WOW I am very impressed with your collection. Thanks for sharing

Seven© · 06-09-2009, 06:13 PM

I can only think of one word. HOLY SMOKES!

stalebiscuit · 06-10-2009, 08:57 PM

thats a huge collection

your CZ's beat out all of the guns i own, you have more CZ handguns than i own guns combined

lucky duck

dancz · 06-11-2009, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaster

fantastic CZ collection!! about the only CZ that I didn't see there that I know about is the CZ 82 pistol. are the sub guns live? I thought your Gov't protected people against those evil things. (or is it just the poor Aussies saddled with those laws?)

I do have a few different models amongst the 170 odd Czechs that I have but there are still variations of each model that escape me.

As to what is “live”, they are all good to go. The Aussies did get a rough deal as did the Brits and others are not so well off either. We do have strict laws here but as long as you meet all the restrictions and play the game carefully then things could certainly be far worse. We do have to comply with serious security checks both personal and for security as well. My strong room is fully steel lined with alarm sensors all round the outside and also the inside. The police also check things every year just to make sure things are on the up.

dancz · 06-11-2009, 05:58 AM

Quote:

I can only think of one word. HOLY SMOKES!

Ahh… that’s two words

06-05-2009, 06:48 AM	#1
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	A little new to know the rules Hi to you all from down under. I’m new to your forum and only started reading here tonight. Perhaps you all could point me in the right direction on things. I have a mild interest in the Czech firearms and I’m always looking for different models and information on them. I have a couple in a small collection, and I notice that some of you also have CZ’s. Do you also post here on the Brnos and other makes of the Czech firearms? What is the story on posting photos? Should I put up a few shots of what I have when asking questions and would anyone be interested in seeing the few I have from down under? Many thanks for any help/answers

06-06-2009, 09:06 AM	#8
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	I guess you may also know that the Czechs also made a range of centrefire rifles as well. From the Brno and CZ line up come a few of mine. I have several others not in this group an example would be the 465’s you just can’t have only one of these so I have four, like wise there are others that insist you double up on. ZBK 110 -- .222 Rem Brno Fox Mod 2 -- .22 Hornet ZKW 465 -- .22 Hornet Brno Fox Mod 2 -- .222 Rem Brno Fox Mod 2 -- .222 Rem CZ 527 -- .222 Rem CZ 527 American -- .204 Ruger CZ 527 Varmint -- .204 Ruger CZ 527 FS -- 223 ZKK 601 -- .222 Rem Brno Fox -- .222 Rem ZKK 601 -- .223 Rem ZKK 601 – 6mm Remington custom ZKK 601 -- .243 Win ZKK 600 -- .270 Win ZG 47 -- .270 Win

06-07-2009, 04:35 AM	#11
Farmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Limbri NSW Au Posts: 506	dancz, we down a little south seem to like them a little more than the yanks. i love my 527 american in 223, it can shoot sub half moa. __________________ Cheers, Rob I'm into gun control - I always use both hands!!!!!!!

06-07-2009, 04:41 AM	#12
Midas Chief Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 3,735 Blog Entries: 6	I only own a couple of CZ 550 rifles (.416 Rigby, .458 Lott) and I love both of them to pieces, they are well made, tough as nails hunting rifles, and I personally find them very appealing to the eye. I will be looking to get one in 9.3x62 Mauser before long. Love the pictures sir, you have a nice battery. __________________ NRA Life Member 10mm Auto-The ultimate trail gun

06-07-2009, 05:12 AM	#13
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,223	I dont see any pictures,where might they be?I found them,and you have some verry verry nice Rifles and pistols,thanks for the pictures,and you have more rifles and pistols? Last edited by Dakoma; 06-08-2009 at 03:42 AM.

06-05-2009, 07:36 AM	#2
kansascoyote Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 914 Blog Entries: 1	Sure post your pics . As to the answer to you question about other czech weapons educate us you most likely know more on the subjuct than we do .

06-06-2009, 08:56 AM	#3
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	I’ve decided not to bore you all too much by posting all the Czech’s I have but rather to only show some of them as several are similar other than change of calibre etc. I hope to one day to start getting a better collection together. Please excuse the fact that these are such poor photos, as you can see I usually only throw them on the floor and click a shot before putting them away to shoot at a later date. I’ll list the model and calibres under each for anyone that may be interested. I’ll add them a page at a time as they don’t seem to fit on only one page Rimfires first: I have more of these that span years of production with differences. One even has Brno model 2. This was the rifle I shot professionally with for a few years and has taken hundreds of goats, pigs, deer and others things. Brno Model 3 Brno Model 4 Brno 468. This one has had it’s bolt messed with but I have another in original condition Brno Model 5. I have three different ones of these Brno 581 Two of these the other is only slightly different and well over used. 611’s in .22Mag and 617 in 17 HMR. At top the standard 617 followed by two engraved 611’s shown in more detail below. The silver one is the only one I’ve ever seen like that, the blued engraved version is one of three that I know of. The last, at the bottom is the standard 611 obviously in 22mag. DX’s right action DX’s left action Love to know more from all you experts on these engraved versions as I don’t have many engraved ones 511 511 with different markings Brno model 2 with new trademark Brno Model 2E CZ 452 2E Lux CZ452 2E – Varmint This one in 17 HMR. Haven’t bothered with the photos of the .22 and .22 Mag CZ 452 – 2E. Couple of different types of these CZ 452 – 2E .22 Mag

06-06-2009, 09:00 AM	#4
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	CZ452-2E Super Exclusive CZ452 Scout. CZ452 Nickel Style 452 Silhouette CZ452 sportster laminated CZ452 sportster walnut CZ452 FS CZ452 Left Hand (No I’m not a lefty) CZ453 American Of course there are also Americans in the 452 but I have not shown these as they look similar from the outside except for the silver trigger. And remember that you have just gotta get around to getting the different four rimfire calibres. CZ453 Varmint As with the American above you have to get eight of these too as there are the choice of both 453 and 452 each in four calibres.

06-06-2009, 09:02 AM	#5
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	Now the following are a little more different and are a little more uncommon. What’s the story behind the model two that is engraved. Maybe some of you guys know as I’m still learning all about what the Czech’s made. I certainly have never seen this one before and managed to grab it from Australia. A nice old pecar scope on it too. Hope someone here can fill in the gaps on this one. Model2 Left side Model2 Under trigger Model2 Under mag Model2 Right side Model2 Left side name Model2 Left action2 Now the following are far easier to explain. The 50th anniversary was a model that CZ released only to the Australian and New Zealand market. A total of only 500 were made so they were a little hard to get. They made them to celebrate 50 years of the model two Brno hence they are marked 1955 to 2005. I managed to get mine quite easily as they came into NZ. The 70th was a different story. This caused a lot of mystery in that it was referred to as the golden anniversary and was marked in the same way as the 50th with the only exceptions being. Where the first had 50 the second had 70 engraved. Where the 50th was marked 1955 to 2005 the 70th is marked 1936 to 2006. The 70th only went into the US and there were only 70 made. Where the 50th celebrated 50 years of the Brno model 2 through to the CZ 452 the 70th celebrated 70 years of CZ’s. This was far harder to get hold of as none (except mine) has ever made it into NZ and I believe that mine is the only one ever to escape the US. The only other difference was that the screws under the action on the 50th are gold and the 70th screws are blued otherwise they are identical twins.

06-06-2009, 09:03 AM	#6
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	Anyone into small guns? Here are some of my Czech handguns. All seem well made. I do have a few others but don’t have photos handy yet There are the usual CZ 24’s, 27’s 38’s, 45’s, 52’s, 70’s 75’s, 85’s etc Recently added a Kadet and also the 30th anniversary model 75 which is quite nice and belongs to the set of anniversary models that include the 452 50th and 70th along with the 550 anniversary model Then if you like Czech’s that are a little different then does anyone know much about the Pav pistols Pav Pistols And from here I guess we would have to look toward some of my subs. CZ 61 (Scorpion) ZK383 - 9mm CZ23 - 9mm CZ24 - 7.65 Then I guess up size things a little with the belt fed 59. VZ59 - 7.62 And we have to remember that the BREN started life in Brno Bren MK I - 303 British And then I’ll through in a pic of my 58’s just to finish this section off. VZ58's - 7.62x39

06-06-2009, 09:04 AM	#7
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	Of course if you are into guns rather than rifles Brno also had a line of both. There were the shotgun onlys and also a range of combination shotgun and rifles. Here are most of what I have in these. There may be a couple of others hanging around waiting for me yet. Semi 12 gauge ZH101 - 12+12 Brno - 12+12 ZH103 - 12+12 SxS - 12+12 SxS - 16+16 ZH301 - 12+12 Mod 3 - 12+222 Rem ZH304 - 12+7x57R Mod 2 - 12+5.6x52R ZH305 - 12+22 Savage

06-06-2009, 09:08 AM	#9
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	Mod 21 -- 7mm. note the odd (for a 21) round bolt knob 52/57 – 7.62 x 39 ZKK 601 -- .308 Win ZKK 600 – 30_06 ZG 47 – 30_06 30_06 Unsure of model ZKK 600 – 30_06 CZ 550 American – 6.5 x 55 S ZKK 600 – 30_06 CZ 531 – 30_06

06-06-2009, 09:10 AM	#10
dancz Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 17	Mod 21 – 7mm. note that this one only has one trigger Mod 21 – 8mm. note the bolt is that of a ZG47 but has the 21 handle. This could be a transition model 8mm Full Stocked model ZG 47 – 8 x 64 ZKK600 - 30_06 CZ550 Minnesota - 308 A couple of VZ33's - 8mm ZKK 602 - 375H&H ZKK 602 - 458 Win CZ 550 Safari Classic - 458 Lott So that’s about it guys. Not all of them and I do have several other makes well but this does start my collection of the Czechs. One day time, if I get a little luck and a little money together at the same time I may get a few more and be able to claim to have a collection. Oh… hang on a minute I forgot another one. The jubilee 50th anniversary model 550 of which only 500 were going to be made as a limited edition. CZ550-70thRightAction CZ550-70thRightFront CZ550-70thLeftButt CZ550-70thLeftAction CZ550-70thLeftFront Now the 550 does look quite nice as well.

06-09-2009, 12:24 AM	#14
Kappy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Yuba City, CA Posts: 40	OK... Jeez... what the heck? That's a LOT of guns. You could take two a week to the range and still not get to them all. I mean... wow.

06-09-2009, 08:19 AM	#15
blaster Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: big pine key, florida Posts: 1,468	fantastic CZ collection!! about the only CZ that I didn't see there that I know about is the CZ 82 pistol. are the sub guns live? I thought your Gov't protected people against those evil things. (or is it just the poor Aussies saddled with those laws?) __________________ peace through superior firepower

06-09-2009, 09:06 AM	#16
trustnoone.45 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: colorado springs Posts: 485	WOW I am very impressed with your collection. Thanks for sharing __________________ If you find yourself in a fair fight your tactics suck!

06-09-2009, 06:13 PM	#17
Seven© Exalted Grand PooBah Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: WNC Posts: 1,833 Blog Entries: 2	I can only think of one word. HOLY SMOKES! __________________

06-10-2009, 08:57 PM	#18
stalebiscuit Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: atlanta, but much rather be in valdosta Posts: 3,246	thats a huge collection your CZ's beat out all of the guns i own, you have more CZ handguns than i own guns combined lucky duck __________________ honey, i forgot to duck!