tokarev t33 vs the cz

7mmag6 · 08-06-2003, 02:23 AM

does any one have experiance with the tokarev vs the cz, sog has them really cheap, 7.62x25, ive heard the tokarev has better quality, and the cz is very loose and not so good, thanks

whirlwind · 08-06-2003, 02:52 AM

i fired a tokarev while i was in service and id definately choose it! ....how cheap are they? i may need to get one too! havent ever seen any around here.

Big Dog · 08-06-2003, 07:01 AM

The TT33 has a nice feel to the grip, but that skinny trigger is uncomfortable to me. It feels lighter than the CZ52, and can't take as powerful a round - don't use the hot stuff!
The CZ52 is much more "modern" looking and feeling, and can take a hotter loading. Both are good dependable pistols, and can be pretty accurate.
It basically comes down to personal preference - older design vs. newer design. I like 'em both, though I don't own either yet - I shoot my buddy's pistols.

FEG · 08-13-2003, 10:20 PM

It really depends on what you want to do with the pistol. If your goal is to obtain a cheap, but powerful, plinker that can fire a wide variety of mil surp, then the vz-52 is the answer. If you like to tinker, the vz-52 also makes more sense, at least at the moment. A few years ago, the CZ was virtually unknown, while the Tokarev had the advantage in replacement parts, etc. Now, parts and upgrades for the CZ abound, while the Tokarev is more or less marking time. The vz-52 is more popular at the moment, and many people own several of them. Long term, the Tokarev will be more desirable from a collector's POV.

Personally, the vz-52 is probably the ONLY pistol that CZ-UB made after WWII that I do not like. Even then, the Tokarev is nothing to get really worked up over. For someone interested in the diffusion of Browning's ideas, the Tokarev is really a good buy for your collection. As a pure shooter, it is $100-$300 that is not being spent elsewhere.

My advice: buy a current-production CZ or a Pistolet Makarov.

NRAJOE · 08-13-2003, 10:28 PM

CZ52's are awesome...better looking...better feel. I got 3 of them in the black rearsenal finish...I would'nt give 'em up for anything! :gangster:

Dennis · 08-21-2003, 06:26 PM

Ok Here We go
I have a cz 52 (down to one)
and A t33 Tokarov (early chicom norinco import....1985)
I bought both guns "new"
I have shot and shot the tokarov and shot it some more.
I have worn the barrel
It still shoots great ya just can see the wear on the rifleing
I have done trigger jobs on both guns and "slicked them up"
Both are very very accurate.
The tok is easier to shoot accurate because I left it with the original sights
The cz 52 is just as accurate but harder to shoot accuratly because I have installed
A O Express tritum sights on it.
It makes it faster aquisition for combat applications and they glow in the dark, it is just more of a chore to make that gun hit a soda can @ 75 feet and farther.
personally I like the feel of the cz after I ground the corner edges near the trigger on the right side of the pistol.
Getting the aftermarket finger groove mag floor plate and hogue wood grips helps that gun alot also.
There are more cool guy acessories for the cz than the tok.
If ya like to fiddle, get the CZ
If ya like to shoot get both hell I like to fiddle and shoot both.
sorry if i didnt help ya make a decision.
ya cant really go wrong with either

NRAJOE · 08-21-2003, 07:06 PM

http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merc...?id=124&step=2
http://makarov.com/cz52/
http://milsurptech.us/article_cz52_u...servations.htm

:right:

PAPA G · 08-21-2003, 08:16 PM

then you have the best of both!!!

NRAJOE · 08-21-2003, 08:44 PM

PAPA G got all the "bling-bling"...

NRAJOE · 09-05-2003, 09:48 PM

SOG has Ex.cond. CZ52's on sale for $99.00 this month! $10.00 for handpick dates/color (blue or gray)

www.southernohiogun.com :right:

Dennis · 09-18-2003, 02:27 AM

Seen the blue ones they are nicely done

NRAJOE · 09-18-2003, 09:44 AM

Thats why I gots 3!

Dennis · 09-30-2003, 10:44 PM

NRA JOE GOTS DA BLING BLING

grizzly · 09-30-2003, 11:01 PM

:target:

NRAJOE · 10-01-2003, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dennis
NRA JOE GOTS DA BLING BLING

I needs to get da bling bling up and get all three years in grey!
:gangster:

NRAJOE · 10-01-2003, 01:23 AM

http://milsurptech.us/article_TT33updates.htm

NRAJOE · 10-01-2003, 01:24 AM

http://milsurptech.us/article_cz52_u...servations.htm

Dennis · 10-08-2003, 07:22 AM

Joe I like My Cz over my T33 but not by very much and next month it may be opposite
They are both good.

NRAJOE · 10-08-2003, 12:47 PM

I want a T33, just haven't gotten around to it. A local gunstore has one, but the guy he's selling it for wants $250.00 Claims its a 'Nam bring back but has no papers to prove it...try again slick! Told him to tell the guy I'll give him $200.00 if he really wants to sell it!

PAPA G · 10-08-2003, 01:18 PM

if it has a saftey its not a bringback.

besides that how did this unpapered bring back look???

08-06-2003, 02:23 AM	#1
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	tokarev t33 vs the cz does any one have experiance with the tokarev vs the cz, sog has them really cheap, 7.62x25, ive heard the tokarev has better quality, and the cz is very loose and not so good, thanks __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine Last edited by 7mmag6; 08-06-2003 at 02:29 AM.

08-06-2003, 02:52 AM	#2
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,737 Images: 1	i fired a tokarev while i was in service and id definately choose it! ....how cheap are they? i may need to get one too! havent ever seen any around here. __________________ De oppresso liber !

08-06-2003, 07:01 AM	#3
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	The TT33 has a nice feel to the grip, but that skinny trigger is uncomfortable to me. It feels lighter than the CZ52, and can't take as powerful a round - don't use the hot stuff! The CZ52 is much more "modern" looking and feeling, and can take a hotter loading. Both are good dependable pistols, and can be pretty accurate. It basically comes down to personal preference - older design vs. newer design. I like 'em both, though I don't own either yet - I shoot my buddy's pistols. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

08-13-2003, 10:20 PM	#4
FEG Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Behind the Iron Curtain Posts: 517	It really depends on what you want to do with the pistol. If your goal is to obtain a cheap, but powerful, plinker that can fire a wide variety of mil surp, then the vz-52 is the answer. If you like to tinker, the vz-52 also makes more sense, at least at the moment. A few years ago, the CZ was virtually unknown, while the Tokarev had the advantage in replacement parts, etc. Now, parts and upgrades for the CZ abound, while the Tokarev is more or less marking time. The vz-52 is more popular at the moment, and many people own several of them. Long term, the Tokarev will be more desirable from a collector's POV. Personally, the vz-52 is probably the ONLY pistol that CZ-UB made after WWII that I do not like. Even then, the Tokarev is nothing to get really worked up over. For someone interested in the diffusion of Browning's ideas, the Tokarev is really a good buy for your collection. As a pure shooter, it is $100-$300 that is not being spent elsewhere. My advice: buy a current-production CZ or a Pistolet Makarov. __________________ WARNING: CZs MAY BE HABIT-FORMING (Consult a doctor if nursing or pregnant).

08-13-2003, 10:28 PM	#5
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	CZ52's are awesome...better looking...better feel. I got 3 of them in the black rearsenal finish...I would'nt give 'em up for anything! :gangster: __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-21-2003, 06:26 PM	#6
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	Ok Here We go I have a cz 52 (down to one) and A t33 Tokarov (early chicom norinco import....1985) I bought both guns "new" I have shot and shot the tokarov and shot it some more. I have worn the barrel It still shoots great ya just can see the wear on the rifleing I have done trigger jobs on both guns and "slicked them up" Both are very very accurate. The tok is easier to shoot accurate because I left it with the original sights The cz 52 is just as accurate but harder to shoot accuratly because I have installed A O Express tritum sights on it. It makes it faster aquisition for combat applications and they glow in the dark, it is just more of a chore to make that gun hit a soda can @ 75 feet and farther. personally I like the feel of the cz after I ground the corner edges near the trigger on the right side of the pistol. Getting the aftermarket finger groove mag floor plate and hogue wood grips helps that gun alot also. There are more cool guy acessories for the cz than the tok. If ya like to fiddle, get the CZ If ya like to shoot get both hell I like to fiddle and shoot both. sorry if i didnt help ya make a decision. ya cant really go wrong with either __________________ Submitted with respect to all

08-21-2003, 07:06 PM	#7
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merc...?id=124&step=2 http://makarov.com/cz52/ http://milsurptech.us/article_cz52_u...servations.htm :right: __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-21-2003, 08:16 PM	#8
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	GET ONE OF EACH!!! then you have the best of both!!!

08-21-2003, 08:44 PM	#9
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	PAPA G got all the "bling-bling"... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

09-05-2003, 09:48 PM	#10
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	SOG has Ex.cond. CZ52's on sale for $99.00 this month! $10.00 for handpick dates/color (blue or gray) www.southernohiogun.com :right: __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

09-18-2003, 02:27 AM	#11
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	Seen the blue ones they are nicely done __________________ Submitted with respect to all

09-18-2003, 09:44 AM	#12
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	Thats why I gots 3! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

09-30-2003, 10:44 PM	#13
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	NRA JOE GOTS DA BLING BLING __________________ Submitted with respect to all

09-30-2003, 11:01 PM	#14
grizzly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: PDR of IL Posts: 653	I LOVE MY EG 1960 MAKAROV :target: __________________ When white man found this land, Indians were running it. No Taxes... No Debt... Plenty Buffalo... Plenty beaver! Women did most of the work. Medicine Man free! Indian men hunted and fished all the time! White man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that. "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

10-01-2003, 01:23 AM	#16
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	http://milsurptech.us/article_TT33updates.htm __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-01-2003, 01:24 AM	#17
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	http://milsurptech.us/article_cz52_u...servations.htm __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-08-2003, 07:22 AM	#18
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	Joe I like My Cz over my T33 but not by very much and next month it may be opposite They are both good. __________________ Submitted with respect to all

10-08-2003, 12:47 PM	#19
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	I want a T33, just haven't gotten around to it. A local gunstore has one, but the guy he's selling it for wants $250.00 Claims its a 'Nam bring back but has no papers to prove it...try again slick! Told him to tell the guy I'll give him $200.00 if he really wants to sell it! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-08-2003, 01:18 PM	#20
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	if it has a saftey its not a bringback. besides that how did this unpapered bring back look???