CZ 52 uses

BattleRifleG3 · 10-28-2003, 06:16 PM

Of course most of the guns we buy are never used on anything but targets in our backyards, and then it's usually just punching holes and ballistics don't matter much.

So I'm wondering what PRACTICAL uses there are for CZ 52. I would think its fixed barrel would mean accuracy, so wouldn't it be a cood competition gun? Or no? How does the recoil compare to other pistols (ie polymer framed 40s, 1911s, 357 revolvers, 22 autos and revolvers, etc)?

How about hunting? Suppose with slower, heavier bullets it would be good for that?

I've heard they're not good for CCW, because of their size and overpenetration. True, false? Could differently designed ammo change that?

Shaun · 10-28-2003, 07:08 PM

Ammo selection is the big deal about CCW I am planning to use the one I just bought for CCW. But I design the ammo too

I have recently read a few articles mentioning FPS ratings of 1650fps and 512ftlbs --That is a good whitetail killer

BattleRifleG3 · 10-28-2003, 07:30 PM

What kind of load options are out there? I assume loads in that caliber are designed primarily for that pistol, like the 150gr 7.62x39mm Wolf round is designed for hunting deer with the SKS.

Shaun · 10-28-2003, 07:58 PM

Remember BRG3 I own an Ammo company So if I can find components anything is possible

BattleRifleG3 · 10-28-2003, 08:13 PM

For some reason I didn't catch that you owned an ammo company. That's awesome. I guess then I should ask what the range of loads you have already is.

Shaun · 10-28-2003, 11:04 PM

depends for what gun these for the 7.62 will be under wraps until I do some extensive testing while I am on vacation over the next two months. -- give me an idea of what your after and we will go from there?

BattleRifleG3 · 10-28-2003, 11:20 PM

I'm not sure how near a CZ-52 is in my future, but I was thinking 150gr or heavier bullets. It would only be for the CZ-52.

There's tons of guns I want and I'm tryin to get them at the right prices for the right reasons at the right times. If I spend too much or buy the wrong ones first I end up having to sell and that's usually no fun, unless I hated the gun or am getting something that fills its role and more.

Shaun · 10-28-2003, 11:25 PM

one issue I have the the heavy 150 is the fact that the magazine may not be able to handle it and if I seat the bullet to deep we will be looking at the surgical removal of parts from my body. I will run some numbers with the guys at Nosler since I will be at the plant next week

BattleRifleG3 · 10-28-2003, 11:30 PM

Just an idea, never want anyone to get hurt. If it's not a good idea, then I've learned something useful from this post.

NRAJOE · 10-29-2003, 01:29 AM

Be careful:

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/bad.htm

BattleRifleG3 · 10-29-2003, 01:29 AM

Last thing I'd want is for someone to damage a pistol or themselves on one of my crazy ideas. That's why I like to bring them into the open for evaluation. As far as seating depth goes... Would it cause too much pressure buildup?

I'm starting to think heavy bullets are better used in gas operated semis, not recoil or blowback operated ones.

Would still be nice to know what the range of bullet weights are for the CZ-52.

Shaun · 10-29-2003, 02:04 AM

BRG# look at the 30 carbine rounds out there -- I am thinking the optimum defense round will be a 95gr JHP pushing no more than a 39K cup pressure and that is why I am planning on meeting with the guys at Nosler, Accurate is 40 miles from my house so I will drive out there when I get back from the west coast

BattleRifleG3 · 10-29-2003, 08:50 AM

I was thinking of 30 Carbine rounds too, since they're generally used in revolvers and thus wouldn't have the same issues as auto pistols.

I was thinking heavy bullets would be for hunting and suppressible subsonic loads. I guess CZ-52 for hunting makes little sense for me since you can't hunt with autos in PA.

BattleRifleG3 · 10-29-2003, 08:51 AM

Oh, and thanks Joe for the ammo alert. I hope it'll save a lot of accidents.

Shaun · 10-29-2003, 09:06 AM

BRG many times people get hung up in velocity verse transfered weight of impact -- in most cases the hunting load will be a mid weight and med. velocity -- I use 60gr 6mm bullets in a 6x45 and I have dropped deer without any effort the key is target selection -- remember you can drop deer and wild boar with a .22 if you place the round right

new52 · 11-01-2003, 09:36 PM

Shaun,
Do you know if anyone is planning on releasing self defense loads in 30 Tok any time soon?
thanks.

Shaun · 11-01-2003, 10:04 PM

I am planning on doing it through my business- anything you are looking for -- I am thinking the first offering will be the 95gr Hornady xtp Hollow point at 1200fps to 1250fps depending on the customer

BattleRifleG3 · 11-02-2003, 12:18 AM

I guess two competing considerations are that the CZ-52 is probably the most common and desired pistol in that caliber here, but that it's also stronger than other guns that could be damaged by loads that wouldn't phase it.

NRAJOE · 11-02-2003, 05:48 AM

There is a clown that goes by "Clarkmag" that goes from forum to forum complaining about how "weak" the CZ52 is. He claims to overload it until it blows. I've told him numerous times, any idiot can blow anything up if he tries hard enough! He also goes by plain "Clark" because hes made so many people mad at him. There is a cult following of the CZ52 and I'm right up there with 'em...got 3 now, and will have six if I ever finish my quest to have all 3 years in grey also! :right:

Shaun · 11-02-2003, 11:37 AM

Thanks Joe the 52 seems plenty powerful in my opinion thats why I may even carry mine CCW

10-28-2003, 06:16 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	CZ 52 uses Of course most of the guns we buy are never used on anything but targets in our backyards, and then it's usually just punching holes and ballistics don't matter much. So I'm wondering what PRACTICAL uses there are for CZ 52. I would think its fixed barrel would mean accuracy, so wouldn't it be a cood competition gun? Or no? How does the recoil compare to other pistols (ie polymer framed 40s, 1911s, 357 revolvers, 22 autos and revolvers, etc)? How about hunting? Suppose with slower, heavier bullets it would be good for that? I've heard they're not good for CCW, because of their size and overpenetration. True, false? Could differently designed ammo change that? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-28-2003, 07:08 PM	#2
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	Ammo selection is the big deal about CCW I am planning to use the one I just bought for CCW. But I design the ammo too I have recently read a few articles mentioning FPS ratings of 1650fps and 512ftlbs --That is a good whitetail killer __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-28-2003, 07:30 PM	#3
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	What kind of load options are out there? I assume loads in that caliber are designed primarily for that pistol, like the 150gr 7.62x39mm Wolf round is designed for hunting deer with the SKS. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-28-2003, 07:58 PM	#4
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	Remember BRG3 I own an Ammo company So if I can find components anything is possible __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-28-2003, 08:13 PM	#5
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	For some reason I didn't catch that you owned an ammo company. That's awesome. I guess then I should ask what the range of loads you have already is. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-28-2003, 11:04 PM	#6
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	depends for what gun these for the 7.62 will be under wraps until I do some extensive testing while I am on vacation over the next two months. -- give me an idea of what your after and we will go from there? __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-28-2003, 11:20 PM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	I'm not sure how near a CZ-52 is in my future, but I was thinking 150gr or heavier bullets. It would only be for the CZ-52. There's tons of guns I want and I'm tryin to get them at the right prices for the right reasons at the right times. If I spend too much or buy the wrong ones first I end up having to sell and that's usually no fun, unless I hated the gun or am getting something that fills its role and more. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-28-2003, 11:25 PM	#8
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	one issue I have the the heavy 150 is the fact that the magazine may not be able to handle it and if I seat the bullet to deep we will be looking at the surgical removal of parts from my body. I will run some numbers with the guys at Nosler since I will be at the plant next week __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-28-2003, 11:30 PM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	Just an idea, never want anyone to get hurt. If it's not a good idea, then I've learned something useful from this post. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-29-2003, 01:29 AM	#10
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,882 Blog Entries: 1	Be careful: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/bad.htm __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

10-29-2003, 02:04 AM	#12
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	BRG# look at the 30 carbine rounds out there -- I am thinking the optimum defense round will be a 95gr JHP pushing no more than a 39K cup pressure and that is why I am planning on meeting with the guys at Nosler, Accurate is 40 miles from my house so I will drive out there when I get back from the west coast __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

10-29-2003, 08:50 AM	#13
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	I was thinking of 30 Carbine rounds too, since they're generally used in revolvers and thus wouldn't have the same issues as auto pistols. I was thinking heavy bullets would be for hunting and suppressible subsonic loads. I guess CZ-52 for hunting makes little sense for me since you can't hunt with autos in PA. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-29-2003, 08:51 AM	#14
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	Oh, and thanks Joe for the ammo alert. I hope it'll save a lot of accidents. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

10-29-2003, 09:06 AM	#15
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	BRG many times people get hung up in velocity verse transfered weight of impact -- in most cases the hunting load will be a mid weight and med. velocity -- I use 60gr 6mm bullets in a 6x45 and I have dropped deer without any effort the key is target selection -- remember you can drop deer and wild boar with a .22 if you place the round right __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

11-01-2003, 09:36 PM	#16
new52 Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NC Posts: 32	Shaun, Do you know if anyone is planning on releasing self defense loads in 30 Tok any time soon? thanks. __________________ Matt Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

11-01-2003, 10:04 PM	#17
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	I am planning on doing it through my business- anything you are looking for -- I am thinking the first offering will be the 95gr Hornady xtp Hollow point at 1200fps to 1250fps depending on the customer __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

11-02-2003, 12:18 AM	#18
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,721	I guess two competing considerations are that the CZ-52 is probably the most common and desired pistol in that caliber here, but that it's also stronger than other guns that could be damaged by loads that wouldn't phase it. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-02-2003, 05:48 AM	#19
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,882 Blog Entries: 1	There is a clown that goes by "Clarkmag" that goes from forum to forum complaining about how "weak" the CZ52 is. He claims to overload it until it blows. I've told him numerous times, any idiot can blow anything up if he tries hard enough! He also goes by plain "Clark" because hes made so many people mad at him. There is a cult following of the CZ52 and I'm right up there with 'em...got 3 now, and will have six if I ever finish my quest to have all 3 years in grey also! :right: __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

11-02-2003, 11:37 AM	#20
Shaun Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,855	Thanks Joe the 52 seems plenty powerful in my opinion thats why I may even carry mine CCW __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/