CZ-52 pistol firing 22 Reed Express

Robert Seccombe · 01-31-2009, 09:55 PM

I have followed the 22 Reed Express for a few years, very interesting wildcat and nice combination with the CZ-52.

My photo shows a 223 IMI Urban cartridge designed for use in modified Mini and Micro UZI weapons. Case is 223 reduced to 22.95mm length with a 46 gr bullet at 1902 fps.

Second cartridge is the Soviet 5.45x18mm cartridge for the PSM pistol.

4rum · 02-02-2009, 04:30 AM

Both impressive ! Admittedly I'm only guessing, but I would imagine one could generate velocities very near 1900 fps with 60 gr. bullets in the stock CZ52. Don't know about stabalizing or accuracy, but velocity has never been in shortage with the CZ.

Robert Seccombe · 02-02-2009, 08:54 AM

The Reed Express also was developed in 25 cal if I remember ? Enclosed photo shows left to right: 5.45x18mm, 223 Urban, and three 22 cal wildcats made from 30 carbine and 223 as parent cartridges.

Many years ago there was a 22/30 Luger for the Luger pistol, just necking down the 7.65mm (30 Luger) to 22 cal

4rum · 02-03-2009, 07:27 AM

These are fantastic little zingers considering the limitations of magazine dimensions. (Great pic by the way). The PPC (Perris/Pendal) cartridges did this in some very efficient rifle cartridges. Then ALL the 'short magnums' took off.

I would reccommend Carmichaels 'Book of The Rifle' to anyone who wants good, tested results obtained in a laboratory atmosphere where case dimension proved to be relevant to the overall efficiency of ignition, burn rate, gas expansion and velocity.

Sometimes a restriction in one area (magazine length) will lead to a bonus in another area from further testing and development.

Dakoma · 02-03-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4rum

These are fantastic little zingers considering the limitations of magazine dimensions. (Great pic by the way). The PPC (Perris/Pendal) cartridges did this in some very efficient rifle cartridges. Then ALL the 'short magnums' took off.

I would reccommend Carmichaels 'Book of The Rifle' to anyone who wants good, tested results obtained in a laboratory atmosphere where case dimension proved to be relevant to the overall efficiency of ignition, burn rate, gas expansion and velocity.

Sometimes a restriction in one area (magazine length) will lead to a bonus in another area from further testing and development.

It sure would'nt keep a man from buying a TC the reed express was chambered for them also,with barrels available.The 25 conversion I was not aware of ,and if it was .257 would be great.The reed was a 3" at 50 yds.,about the same as 30 cal.

Robert Seccombe · 02-05-2009, 04:17 PM

I think that I was wrong about a 25 Reed Express, it was a 7.62x25mm necked down to 6.5mm in Sweden called the 6.5x25 CQB, kind of a newer cartridge designed to replace 9x19mm

4rum · 02-06-2009, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Seccombe

I think that I was wrong about a 25 Reed Express, it was a 7.62x25mm necked down to 6.5mm in Sweden called the 6.5x25 CQB, kind of a newer cartridge designed to replace 9x19mm

... two demerits

blaster · 02-06-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 4rum

Both impressive ! Admittedly I'm only guessing, but I would imagine one could generate velocities very near 1900 fps with 60 gr. bullets in the stock CZ52. Don't know about stabalizing or accuracy, but velocity has never been in shortage with the CZ.

my 85gr 7.62x25 load is supposed to go 1900 fps.

4rum · 02-06-2009, 04:47 PM

I'm savin' up for a chronograph. I hope to be able to post some actual velocities for loads I'm loading soon. I'm getting good results, but I'm not sure on any velocities.

DWFan · 02-06-2009, 05:03 PM

My buddy uses the well-publicized 14gr H-110/90gr Hornady XTP in his CZ-52 for 1700 fps. I've been kinda curious about how CZ-52 with a 9mm barrel rechambered to 9x23 Winchester would do too.

Robert Seccombe · 02-07-2009, 02:13 PM

The 224 BOZ is the 10mm auto necked down to use the 5.56mm bullets.

reloader2 · 03-09-2009, 11:50 PM

has anyone tried to use this 762x25 in a rifle for varmits or 1to 200 yds.

Dakoma · 03-10-2009, 12:12 AM

Not yet,but would be interested and got a 30 cal. barrel blank laying around and was thinking a singleshot,Maybe on a NEF Handi Rifle and it would with long barrel be quiet,like a Mini Whisper to shoot some 150gr.or 200gr.,just a thought though dont have money for smith work right now.

iwannasee · 03-10-2009, 12:41 AM

How about the .223 Timbs?
.223 Timbs NEW AMMO PRICING

res45 · 10-10-2009, 08:49 PM

A little something I'm working on right now with limited R & D info to give,about all I can say right now is it will destroy a milk jug at 25 yds. Further R & D and accuracy testing to come later.

01-31-2009, 09:55 PM	#21
Robert Seccombe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 132	22 Reed Express and others I have followed the 22 Reed Express for a few years, very interesting wildcat and nice combination with the CZ-52. My photo shows a 223 IMI Urban cartridge designed for use in modified Mini and Micro UZI weapons. Case is 223 reduced to 22.95mm length with a 46 gr bullet at 1902 fps. Second cartridge is the Soviet 5.45x18mm cartridge for the PSM pistol. Attached Thumbnails

02-02-2009, 08:54 AM	#23
Robert Seccombe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 132	more 22 cal pistol wildcats The Reed Express also was developed in 25 cal if I remember ? Enclosed photo shows left to right: 5.45x18mm, 223 Urban, and three 22 cal wildcats made from 30 carbine and 223 as parent cartridges. Many years ago there was a 22/30 Luger for the Luger pistol, just necking down the 7.65mm (30 Luger) to 22 cal Attached Thumbnails

02-05-2009, 04:17 PM	#26
Robert Seccombe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 132	6.5x25 CQB I think that I was wrong about a 25 Reed Express, it was a 7.62x25mm necked down to 6.5mm in Sweden called the 6.5x25 CQB, kind of a newer cartridge designed to replace 9x19mm

02-07-2009, 02:13 PM	#31
Robert Seccombe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 132	Check the 224 BOZ cartridge The 224 BOZ is the 10mm auto necked down to use the 5.56mm bullets.

10-10-2009, 08:49 PM	#35
res45 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 504	A little something I'm working on right now with limited R & D info to give,about all I can say right now is it will destroy a milk jug at 25 yds. Further R & D and accuracy testing to come later. __________________ When it comes to self defense a gun in your hand beats 911 on the phone every time.

02-02-2009, 04:30 AM	#22
4rum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	Both impressive ! Admittedly I'm only guessing, but I would imagine one could generate velocities very near 1900 fps with 60 gr. bullets in the stock CZ52. Don't know about stabalizing or accuracy, but velocity has never been in shortage with the CZ.

02-03-2009, 07:27 AM	#24
4rum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	These are fantastic little zingers considering the limitations of magazine dimensions. (Great pic by the way). The PPC (Perris/Pendal) cartridges did this in some very efficient rifle cartridges. Then ALL the 'short magnums' took off. I would reccommend Carmichaels 'Book of The Rifle' to anyone who wants good, tested results obtained in a laboratory atmosphere where case dimension proved to be relevant to the overall efficiency of ignition, burn rate, gas expansion and velocity. Sometimes a restriction in one area (magazine length) will lead to a bonus in another area from further testing and development.

02-06-2009, 04:47 PM	#29
4rum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	I'm savin' up for a chronograph. I hope to be able to post some actual velocities for loads I'm loading soon. I'm getting good results, but I'm not sure on any velocities.

02-06-2009, 05:03 PM	#30
DWFan Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: N. Texas Posts: 1,537 Blog Entries: 2	My buddy uses the well-publicized 14gr H-110/90gr Hornady XTP in his CZ-52 for 1700 fps. I've been kinda curious about how CZ-52 with a 9mm barrel rechambered to 9x23 Winchester would do too.

03-09-2009, 11:50 PM	#32
reloader2 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: I live in streator illinois,lasalle co. Posts: 41	has anyone tried to use this 762x25 in a rifle for varmits or 1to 200 yds.

03-10-2009, 12:12 AM	#33
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,135	Not yet,but would be interested and got a 30 cal. barrel blank laying around and was thinking a singleshot,Maybe on a NEF Handi Rifle and it would with long barrel be quiet,like a Mini Whisper to shoot some 150gr.or 200gr.,just a thought though dont have money for smith work right now.

03-10-2009, 12:41 AM	#34
iwannasee Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 11	How about the .223 Timbs? .223 Timbs NEW AMMO PRICING