CZ-52 pistol firing 22 Reed Express

Dakoma · 12-31-2008, 12:59 AM

The 22 Reed Express is a 7.62x25 necked down to 22 caliber,this fellow made barrels for the cz-52 and got some spectacular speed,compared to the 5.7x28 cartridge,but he was ahead of himself and stoped making barrels.(Google .22 Reed Express) for more info. I contacted him and wanted one and he said it would cost $400.00 to make one now,I think if I am correct used to be $150.00 and still sells dies for reloading.Anyway interesting reading and gives one a idea of the strength of these pistols.For the Machinist's on this forum it would'nt be to hard of a project and I would most certainly want one but not for $400.00

blaster · 12-31-2008, 10:11 AM

They are indeed strong pistols. from the amount of machining work it took to make them, if they were sold new today they would probably cost well over $1000. I saw load data for a saboted .224 55gr. bullet (named the .223 Timbs) I forget the actual velocity but it was over 2000 fps. never heard of the "reed express" but it sounds interesting!

Dakoma · 12-31-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blaster

They are indeed strong pistols. from the amount of machining work it took to make them, if they were sold new today they would probably cost well over $1000. I saw load data for a saboted .224 55gr. bullet (named the .223 Timbs) I forget the actual velocity but it was over 2000 fps. never heard of the "reed express" but it sounds interesting!

If you google .22 Reed Express there will be a list of load data that surpases the 5.7x28 and capable of penitrating body armor

phoenix79 · 12-31-2008, 06:25 PM

Try this:

.223 Timbs NEW AMMO PRICING

Dakoma · 01-02-2009, 02:27 AM

I have played with the sabot idea but cant help feeling a heavier stainless barrel for the Reed express would be or have a accuracy advantage,also not only is the case necked down it is slightly blowed out with the shoulder angle also changed to hold more powder.

phoenix79 · 01-02-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dakoma

I have played with the sabot idea but cant help feeling a heavier stainless barrel for the Reed express would be or have a accuracy advantage,also not only is the case necked down it is slightly blowed out with the shoulder angle also changed to hold more powder.

Yes it would, but then you'd have to find a barrel. With the .223 Timbs, you don't

Dakoma · 01-02-2009, 05:28 PM

Cheaper yes ,Better no.Never cared much for sabots.

MadWilly · 01-14-2009, 12:04 AM

my cz did not like sabots at all.
It jammed all the time, and it never jams with normal s&b round nose ammo.

gandog56 · 01-14-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenix79

Yes it would, but then you'd have to find a barrel. With the .223 Timbs, you don't

Yeah, but as with all types of accelerator rounds, I would be worried about barrel erosion.

toolman · 01-14-2009, 09:23 PM

FWIW, Ron Reed is or was a G&G member and is a really good guy.

Dakoma · 01-15-2009, 01:20 AM

I had emailed him and seems to be a good guy,wanted one of his barrels and I think he was having them made in quantities,price of barrel exceded the price of the pistol so they did'nt sell well.His quote was for special order and of corse would be higher.If I had the money I would not hesitate to buy one,but I am a poor boy now.

gandog56 · 01-15-2009, 01:05 PM

G&G Group buy?

Dakoma · 01-16-2009, 12:51 AM

Grupe buy might work,but dont have the money now anyway.Would have to sell one of my guns and would'nt know whitch one I could live without,been having some tough times lately.It would lower the price maybe?

4rum · 01-17-2009, 01:49 PM

I read (no actual experience) that the saboted loads needed the bullets seated out so far as to cause feeding problems. If the bullet and sabot were seated deep enough to feed, there wasn't enough room left for powder to achieve velocities folks were expecting. Most reports I read also stated that the accuracy sucked. As always, I imagine this will vary gun to gun, so if you are feeling adventurous, buy a little and try it.

I feel the Reed is the way to go if it ever becomes popular enough to be able to find reasonably priced barrels. They were sold as a drop in so no alteration to the pistol was required.

Dakoma · 01-24-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 4rum

I read (no actual experience) that the saboted loads needed the bullets seated out so far as to cause feeding problems. If the bullet and sabot were seated deep enough to feed, there wasn't enough room left for powder to achieve velocities folks were expecting. Most reports I read also stated that the accuracy sucked. As always, I imagine this will vary gun to gun, so if you are feeling adventurous, buy a little and try it.

I feel the Reed is the way to go if it ever becomes popular enough to be able to find reasonably priced barrels. They were sold as a drop in so no alteration to the pistol was required.

That is what I was told and the original spring was even used,with balistics simular to 5.7x28 and some exceeding with a heavier bullet.

4rum · 01-25-2009, 09:04 AM

Once I'm finished with the 125 gr. testing, I might go the other way. It might be good to load lighter bullets than normally used in this caliber and see if they will stablize. There are some 60 gr. .32 short bullets (.311 to .312 in diameter) that should do well from one of the older barrels.

This brings up another subject. If you can, before reloading, you should try to slug your bore or have someone to do it for you. Land and groove diameters vary pretty widely on CZ52's. Two of mine are 'Excellent' grade and one is unissued, the groove diameter is .307 on all three. I would not reccommed bullets larger than the .308 in these. Some barrels are larger and might prove to shoot larger diameter bullets safely and with greater accuracy.

Dakoma · 01-25-2009, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4rum

Once I'm finished with the 125 gr. testing, I might go the other way. It might be good to load lighter bullets than normally used in this caliber and see if they will stablize. There are some 60 gr. .32 short bullets (.311 to .312 in diameter) that should do well from one of the older barrels.

This brings up another subject. If you can, before reloading, you should try to slug your bore or have someone to do it for you. Land and groove diameters vary pretty widely on CZ52's. Two of mine are 'Excellent' grade and one is unissued, the groove diameter is .307 on all three. I would not reccommed bullets larger than the .308 in these. Some barrels are larger and might prove to shoot larger diameter bullets safely and with greater accuracy.

Pulled out some of my Gun World magazines,they always had writeups on varyious mil.weapons and was reading the different bore sizes of the CZ-52's August 1994 issue of Gun World,This writer was getting 2" and 3" groupes at 50 yds.and thought with more time could develope better loads.He had always wanted a broomhandle Mauser and sold it because it was not accurate,and his experience with the CZ-52 claimed he had found his holy grail.One of mine is unisued,the other other than handling wear apears same as new.One came in a pigskin holster,It was stated they are capeable and desighned for much higher presure than a tokerev or broomhandle.I loaded Starline brass and 90grain Hornady XTP bullets,with good results,the sights are my bigest complaint.

4rum · 01-26-2009, 05:49 PM

I can't give you any expansion information on the Hornady. Like the Sierra 85's they pencil hole whatever media I shoot them into and go on off some place.

I have not gotten any better accuracy with the Hornady 90 gr. XTP, but it's cute as hell so I continue to load it. Feeds good, but everything has so far. I'm very happy with the results of the Sierra 125 gr hollow point. What I need to do now is load a bunch of 'em and give 'em a good honest work out.

Dakoma · 01-26-2009, 07:56 PM

I use LIL-Guns and H-110 for my loads.Have'nt tried any 110gr. bullets,what powder do you use for 110 gr.bullets.

4rum · 01-30-2009, 01:12 PM

I haven't loaded any 110's. I've loaded 85 gr Sierra round nose, 90 gr. Hornady XTP's and 125 gr. Sierra Hollow Points (#2020). I've used Unique for all (it's what I had on the shelf). Research indicates that Accurate No. 7 may be a much better choice. I'll probably try it next.

I should have access to a chronograph soon. It may give better data in a more reliable format.

12-31-2008, 12:59 AM	#1
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,135	CZ-52 pistol firing 22 Reed Express The 22 Reed Express is a 7.62x25 necked down to 22 caliber,this fellow made barrels for the cz-52 and got some spectacular speed,compared to the 5.7x28 cartridge,but he was ahead of himself and stoped making barrels.(Google .22 Reed Express) for more info. I contacted him and wanted one and he said it would cost $400.00 to make one now,I think if I am correct used to be $150.00 and still sells dies for reloading.Anyway interesting reading and gives one a idea of the strength of these pistols.For the Machinist's on this forum it would'nt be to hard of a project and I would most certainly want one but not for $400.00

01-14-2009, 09:23 PM	#10
toolman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 7,135 Blog Entries: 25	FWIW, Ron Reed is or was a G&G member and is a really good guy. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

01-15-2009, 01:05 PM	#12
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 11,797	G&G Group buy? __________________ People think I'm paranoid because I own guns. If I own guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

12-31-2008, 10:11 AM	#2
blaster Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: big pine key, florida Posts: 1,294	They are indeed strong pistols. from the amount of machining work it took to make them, if they were sold new today they would probably cost well over $1000. I saw load data for a saboted .224 55gr. bullet (named the .223 Timbs) I forget the actual velocity but it was over 2000 fps. never heard of the "reed express" but it sounds interesting! __________________ peace through superior firepower

12-31-2008, 06:25 PM	#4
phoenix79 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 271	Try this: .223 Timbs NEW AMMO PRICING

01-02-2009, 02:27 AM	#5
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,135	I have played with the sabot idea but cant help feeling a heavier stainless barrel for the Reed express would be or have a accuracy advantage,also not only is the case necked down it is slightly blowed out with the shoulder angle also changed to hold more powder.

01-02-2009, 05:28 PM	#7
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,135	Cheaper yes ,Better no.Never cared much for sabots.

01-14-2009, 12:04 AM	#8
MadWilly Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mentor OH Posts: 3 Images: 12	my cz did not like sabots at all. It jammed all the time, and it never jams with normal s&b round nose ammo.

01-15-2009, 01:20 AM	#11
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,135	I had emailed him and seems to be a good guy,wanted one of his barrels and I think he was having them made in quantities,price of barrel exceded the price of the pistol so they did'nt sell well.His quote was for special order and of corse would be higher.If I had the money I would not hesitate to buy one,but I am a poor boy now.

01-16-2009, 12:51 AM	#13
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,135	Grupe buy might work,but dont have the money now anyway.Would have to sell one of my guns and would'nt know whitch one I could live without,been having some tough times lately.It would lower the price maybe?

01-17-2009, 01:49 PM	#14
4rum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	I read (no actual experience) that the saboted loads needed the bullets seated out so far as to cause feeding problems. If the bullet and sabot were seated deep enough to feed, there wasn't enough room left for powder to achieve velocities folks were expecting. Most reports I read also stated that the accuracy sucked. As always, I imagine this will vary gun to gun, so if you are feeling adventurous, buy a little and try it. I feel the Reed is the way to go if it ever becomes popular enough to be able to find reasonably priced barrels. They were sold as a drop in so no alteration to the pistol was required.

01-25-2009, 09:04 AM	#16
4rum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	Once I'm finished with the 125 gr. testing, I might go the other way. It might be good to load lighter bullets than normally used in this caliber and see if they will stablize. There are some 60 gr. .32 short bullets (.311 to .312 in diameter) that should do well from one of the older barrels. This brings up another subject. If you can, before reloading, you should try to slug your bore or have someone to do it for you. Land and groove diameters vary pretty widely on CZ52's. Two of mine are 'Excellent' grade and one is unissued, the groove diameter is .307 on all three. I would not reccommed bullets larger than the .308 in these. Some barrels are larger and might prove to shoot larger diameter bullets safely and with greater accuracy.

01-26-2009, 05:49 PM	#18
4rum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	I can't give you any expansion information on the Hornady. Like the Sierra 85's they pencil hole whatever media I shoot them into and go on off some place. I have not gotten any better accuracy with the Hornady 90 gr. XTP, but it's cute as hell so I continue to load it. Feeds good, but everything has so far. I'm very happy with the results of the Sierra 125 gr hollow point. What I need to do now is load a bunch of 'em and give 'em a good honest work out.

01-26-2009, 07:56 PM	#19
Dakoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southeast Tennessee Posts: 1,135	I use LIL-Guns and H-110 for my loads.Have'nt tried any 110gr. bullets,what powder do you use for 110 gr.bullets.

01-30-2009, 01:12 PM	#20
4rum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 60	I haven't loaded any 110's. I've loaded 85 gr Sierra round nose, 90 gr. Hornady XTP's and 125 gr. Sierra Hollow Points (#2020). I've used Unique for all (it's what I had on the shelf). Research indicates that Accurate No. 7 may be a much better choice. I'll probably try it next. I should have access to a chronograph soon. It may give better data in a more reliable format.