CZ 24 Mouser

Dailey · 11-07-2002, 05:05 PM

Worthwhile or junk? Are these things worth building a rifle around or are they just a cheap gun?

PAPA G · 11-07-2002, 05:16 PM

1. YES
2. NO
3. YES

the Checz VZ-24 was one of the best in its day. but the surplus market is a crap shoot, the nicer condition the more they go for. however if you are just going to scrap everything for the action, you be ooook!!!:nod:

Dailey · 11-07-2002, 08:09 PM

Ok, so what's wrong with them? I thought CZ was a good maker and Mausers were the best actions to be used. They look and feel smooth and tight just like any other Mauser action. What makes them inferior?

Dailey · 11-07-2002, 08:17 PM

OOps! Made that last post before I read the last of your response there PAPA G. The action is exactly what I am interested in. BIG5 has them on sale for $59 and last year the sale items in Nov. were put on extreme sale the day after Thanksgiving so I'm hoping they do it again.

Dennis · 11-08-2002, 02:04 AM

If you are wanting to build a custom mauser actioned rifle then CZ is ok it all depends on condition
IMHO

Dale · 11-08-2002, 05:33 AM

here is nothing wrong with the Mauser design, as a whole.

the VZ is a very good and capable action but you will get what you pay for. In that I mean a $59 gun doesn't reflect just the condition of the furniture but often the barrel condition, metal condition, etc.

But, by and large, as Papa said, you should be OK if it spaces out alright, chamber isn't too worn, rifling is OK, etc.

Personally, I am thinking of sporterizing a much more dependable and accurate Mauser, the Yugo M48. It already has the bent bolt and accepts scope and mounts much easier.

Have fun and good luck. Keep us posted...BTW, what stock are you planning on using and where are you planning on getting it from?

Quote:

"Only those willing to take a chance ever has the chance of succeeding"........me

Dailey · 11-08-2002, 02:56 PM

I am planning on using a Boyd's stock. http://www.boydboys.com/. They have some cool laminates and some good prices on their overstock items from time to time.

As far as the barrel goes, I may shoot it with the factory one for a while, but I plan to make it a custom down the road so barrel longevity is not my main concern.

I have been to most of the BIG5 stores here in Phx. and Mesa and one of them regularly has better quality milsurp's than the rest. The manager says it is because he has made friends with the buyer. It seems to be true, though.

As far as accuracy goes, isn't it the barrel and chamber that determines the accuracy of the rifle. Not the reciever. If the reciever is sound and tight then the build-up and the shooter will be the determining factor in the final outcome of the project.

Oh well, it hasn't happened yet. I was just looking for as much info as possible before I jumped in with all four feet.

PAPA G · 11-08-2002, 03:14 PM

thats a very good question about accuracy and actions. i know that some extreme accuracy guys sleeve their actions for stiffness, how much that helps i dunno.

accuracy is a combination of many things, ammo, barrel specs, twist rates, bedding, the shooter, and so on.

FEG · 11-08-2002, 03:47 PM

The rifle is a vz24. "Vzor" is Czech for "model."

The vast majority of these were made by Zbrojovka Brno ("Brno"). Ceska Zbrojovka ("CZ") also made some. "Zbrojovka" means "weapons factory." From approx. 1949-1991 any Czechoslovakian sporting firearm that was exported bore the markings "BRNO," despite which firm actually made the gun. The proof-markings will tell you who actually made the rifle; the CZ proof-mark is a rampant lion with a letter "N." Many of the surplus rifles are not marked "BRNO," because they were exported after the Marxist-Leninist regime was ousted.

Czechoslovakia divided into the separate Czech and Slovak Republics at that time. As far as I know, all of the arms companies are located in Moravia (Brno, CZ, and Arms Moravia), which is part of the Czech Republic.

Dale · 11-08-2002, 04:40 PM

Dailey,

When I get to Phoenix I generally stop by and see Frank at the Big 5 at 19TH and Bell Road. He's just an all around nice guy.

Which of the two stores do you think has the better quality since I've not visited the Mesa store?

I know the store up here in Prescott Valley usually doesn't have squat.

Dailey · 11-09-2002, 10:44 PM

The one on Thomas and 36th St. os Ok, but for the good stuff check out the store at Rural and Southern(SE corner). I stopped in there last week and they had a beautiful numbers matching M38. It was an armory refirb. You could tell by the buttstock repair, but it was a nice job. The shellac was clear and even and the action looked only slightly used. The reciever had an import number scribed into it on the left side. It was still nice though.

The Mauser was a CZ I'm pretty sure because I think I remember it having the letters stamped into the reciever.

Dale · 11-09-2002, 11:23 PM

Thanks, Dailey....will have to check them out soon.

FEG · 11-10-2002, 12:50 AM

"The Mauser was a CZ I'm pretty sure because I think I remember it having the letters stamped into the reciever."

It was made by Ceska Zbrojovka then. It's the ones marked "Brno" that sometimes take a little extra identification.

CZs are probably my main area of interest. Ahhh, who am I kidding? They ARE my main area of interest!

Dailey · 11-10-2002, 10:38 AM

This caught my eye this morning. Does anyone have experience with these packages? Are they any good? Will they fit any Mauser? I have heard that Green Mountain makes barrels for A&B so if they make these then they are good quality.

http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/a...astID=11072002

Next thing I want to know about would be this link

http://www272.pair.com/stevewag/

Good info or not? Will it work for any Mauser action?

11-07-2002, 05:05 PM	#1
Dailey Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 35	CZ 24 Mauser Worthwhile or junk? Are these things worth building a rifle around or are they just a cheap gun? __________________ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficently tallented fool! Last edited by Dailey; 11-07-2002 at 08:10 PM.

11-07-2002, 05:16 PM	#2
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	in order of guestions asked 1. YES 2. NO 3. YES the Checz VZ-24 was one of the best in its day. but the surplus market is a crap shoot, the nicer condition the more they go for. however if you are just going to scrap everything for the action, you be ooook!!!:nod:

11-07-2002, 08:09 PM	#3
Dailey Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 35	Ok, so what's wrong with them? I thought CZ was a good maker and Mausers were the best actions to be used. They look and feel smooth and tight just like any other Mauser action. What makes them inferior? __________________ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficently tallented fool!

11-07-2002, 08:17 PM	#4
Dailey Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 35	OOps! Made that last post before I read the last of your response there PAPA G. The action is exactly what I am interested in. BIG5 has them on sale for $59 and last year the sale items in Nov. were put on extreme sale the day after Thanksgiving so I'm hoping they do it again. __________________ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficently tallented fool!

11-08-2002, 02:04 AM	#5
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	If you are wanting to build a custom mauser actioned rifle then CZ is ok it all depends on condition IMHO __________________ Submitted with respect to all

11-08-2002, 02:56 PM	#7
Dailey Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 35	I am planning on using a Boyd's stock. http://www.boydboys.com/. They have some cool laminates and some good prices on their overstock items from time to time. As far as the barrel goes, I may shoot it with the factory one for a while, but I plan to make it a custom down the road so barrel longevity is not my main concern. I have been to most of the BIG5 stores here in Phx. and Mesa and one of them regularly has better quality milsurp's than the rest. The manager says it is because he has made friends with the buyer. It seems to be true, though. As far as accuracy goes, isn't it the barrel and chamber that determines the accuracy of the rifle. Not the reciever. If the reciever is sound and tight then the build-up and the shooter will be the determining factor in the final outcome of the project. Oh well, it hasn't happened yet. I was just looking for as much info as possible before I jumped in with all four feet. __________________ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficently tallented fool!

11-08-2002, 03:14 PM	#8
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	thats a very good question about accuracy and actions. i know that some extreme accuracy guys sleeve their actions for stiffness, how much that helps i dunno. accuracy is a combination of many things, ammo, barrel specs, twist rates, bedding, the shooter, and so on.

11-08-2002, 03:47 PM	#9
FEG Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Behind the Iron Curtain Posts: 517	Just in Case Anyone Is Interested The rifle is a vz24. "Vzor" is Czech for "model." The vast majority of these were made by Zbrojovka Brno ("Brno"). Ceska Zbrojovka ("CZ") also made some. "Zbrojovka" means "weapons factory." From approx. 1949-1991 any Czechoslovakian sporting firearm that was exported bore the markings "BRNO," despite which firm actually made the gun. The proof-markings will tell you who actually made the rifle; the CZ proof-mark is a rampant lion with a letter "N." Many of the surplus rifles are not marked "BRNO," because they were exported after the Marxist-Leninist regime was ousted. Czechoslovakia divided into the separate Czech and Slovak Republics at that time. As far as I know, all of the arms companies are located in Moravia (Brno, CZ, and Arms Moravia), which is part of the Czech Republic. __________________ WARNING: CZs MAY BE HABIT-FORMING (Consult a doctor if nursing or pregnant).

11-08-2002, 04:40 PM	#10
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Dailey, When I get to Phoenix I generally stop by and see Frank at the Big 5 at 19TH and Bell Road. He's just an all around nice guy. Which of the two stores do you think has the better quality since I've not visited the Mesa store? I know the store up here in Prescott Valley usually doesn't have squat. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

11-09-2002, 10:44 PM	#11
Dailey Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 35	The one on Thomas and 36th St. os Ok, but for the good stuff check out the store at Rural and Southern(SE corner). I stopped in there last week and they had a beautiful numbers matching M38. It was an armory refirb. You could tell by the buttstock repair, but it was a nice job. The shellac was clear and even and the action looked only slightly used. The reciever had an import number scribed into it on the left side. It was still nice though. The Mauser was a CZ I'm pretty sure because I think I remember it having the letters stamped into the reciever. __________________ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficently tallented fool!

11-09-2002, 11:23 PM	#12
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Thanks, Dailey....will have to check them out soon. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

11-10-2002, 12:50 AM	#13
FEG Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Behind the Iron Curtain Posts: 517	"The Mauser was a CZ I'm pretty sure because I think I remember it having the letters stamped into the reciever." It was made by Ceska Zbrojovka then. It's the ones marked "Brno" that sometimes take a little extra identification. CZs are probably my main area of interest. Ahhh, who am I kidding? They ARE my main area of interest! __________________ WARNING: CZs MAY BE HABIT-FORMING (Consult a doctor if nursing or pregnant).

11-10-2002, 10:38 AM	#14
Dailey Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 35	This caught my eye this morning. Does anyone have experience with these packages? Are they any good? Will they fit any Mauser? I have heard that Green Mountain makes barrels for A&B so if they make these then they are good quality. http://www.midwayusa.com/midwayusa/a...astID=11072002 Next thing I want to know about would be this link http://www272.pair.com/stevewag/ Good info or not? Will it work for any Mauser action? __________________ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficently tallented fool!