I don't think there is a bad history with the Tikka clips, it's just the cost of getting a spare or replacing a damaged one. They are imported so I think that has the largest bearing on the cost. An extended 5 round clip cost $75 at a local shop too.
I will take this into consideration with my purchase. An extra mag is useful but at those prices... Same goes for my BERSA mags, I haven't bought anymore because they are too dang expensive.
[QUOTE=stinkybriches;1279435]if i could only have one chambering for whitetail it would be one of these:
.243
.25-06
.270 win my personal favorite
7mm-08
.308 win my secound choice
.30-06
i would choose from these because my shots may often be short, but sometimes can be fairly long. where im going this year by myself, and with the bro in law, shots could be taken as far as one can shoot accuratly. that means th .30-30, .45-70, 20 and 12 gauges wont work for me.
when i go to deer camp, it will be with a rifle with no scope, as shots will be 100 yards max. ill use my rifles wearing open sights, in .308 or .223.[/QUOTE Hey I'm about to buy a tc venture in 270 or 06 and I'm wondering why I should get the 270 over the 3006? What makes it a better cartridge?
For mostly all close shots. 30-30 or .35 in a lever, or a .270 or .308 for a bolt action and you can go most anywhere with it. My fav is a .270 - 150gr
For woods hunting I would opt for the 7mm-08 before a long action 270. I use a 308win for the pine forest area I hunt and it does well as it covers areas where I have shot opportunities from 25 yards - 500. If you do not have the skill or are not willing to practice enough to become proficient at ranges beyond 150 yards then the 30-30 is THE ultimate forest rifle IMO.
My newest gun I just bought was a 30-06 I bought last year (marlin xl7). I have it sited in for 100 yrds. I have killed deer from 40 to 120 yards with it. I am thinking my next gun be either a 308 or a 270. I hunt from a tree stand mostly where I there are stickes and twigs that may get in the way of the bullet. Which would be best of the two (308 - 270) for say 40 to 120 yrds with the chance of getting a twig or two in the way on the way to a deer? Woudl both keep a straight line from the distance I shoot? i.e. when I zero the scope in at say 100 yards be it the deer is at either 40 yrds or 120 yrds the bullet is very clost to the cross hairs of the scope. I am also considering a 30-30 due to I want to have it be open sites so that when it is snowing I can use this gun and not have to worry about a scope getting wet.
My only concern for the 30-30 is the cleaning of it. It doesn't look like it breaks down as easily as the marlin 39A to clean so what is the best way to clean everything on it and in it.
My only concern for the 30-30 is the cleaning of it. It doesn't look like it breaks down as easily as the marlin 39A to clean so what is the best way to clean everything on it and in it.
Easiest way to clean the Marlin 336 is to take the screw out holding the lever, remove the lever and the bolt and clean as you would a bolt action
My newest gun I just bought was a 30-06 I bought last year (marlin xl7). I have it sited in for 100 yrds. I have killed deer from 40 to 120 yards with it. I am thinking my next gun be either a 308 or a 270. I hunt from a tree stand mostly where I there are stickes and twigs that may get in the way of the bullet. Which would be best of the two (308 - 270) for say 40 to 120 yrds with the chance of getting a twig or two in the way on the way to a deer? Woudl both keep a straight line from the distance I shoot? i.e. when I zero the scope in at say 100 yards be it the deer is at either 40 yrds or 120 yrds the bullet is very clost to the cross hairs of the scope. I am also considering a 30-30 due to I want to have it be open sites so that when it is snowing I can use this gun and not have to worry about a scope getting wet.
at 100 yards there is going to be less than an inch separating the slowest (30-30) and the quickest (270) bullets. The shorter gun works best in brush simply because it's easier to swing around. Be advised, however, that ALL of them will be effected by twigs. It has been proven that any twig will deflect a bullet, no matter if it's fast or slow, light or heavy.
All of the calibers work well for deer at 100 yards. So unless you are thinking of 200 yd or 300 yd or further shots in the future of this gun, pick the one that feels best in your hands.
further thoughts: sight in at 150 yds, not 100. you'll be dead on at about 40 yds, maybe 1" high at 100, dead on at 150 and an inch or two low at 200. So you can shoot dead on out to about 225 or maybe 250 and be within a 3" circle.
My newest gun I just bought was a 30-06 I bought last year (marlin xl7). I have it sited in for 100 yrds. I have killed deer from 40 to 120 yards with it. I am thinking my next gun be either a 308 or a 270. I hunt from a tree stand mostly where I there are stickes and twigs that may get in the way of the bullet. Which would be best of the two (308 - 270) for say 40 to 120 yrds with the chance of getting a twig or two in the way on the way to a deer? Woudl both keep a straight line from the distance I shoot? i.e. when I zero the scope in at say 100 yards be it the deer is at either 40 yrds or 120 yrds the bullet is very clost to the cross hairs of the scope. I am also considering a 30-30 due to I want to have it be open sites so that when it is snowing I can use this gun and not have to worry about a scope getting wet.
I'd get a 35 rem or even a .357 mag in a lever gun before i got a 30-30. they also make .308 in a lever gun. I'm not a fan of the 30-30 because it is very one deminsional and gives u no real advantage in the woods than any other caliber. The 35 rem is a bigger bullet with a larger striking surface and bigger shock factor. It also retains energy better at farther distances and could be used in an open field out to around 250-300 yards feasably. But since u said ur next gun will be a .308 i would suggest a .308 lever i believe made by browning. It has a box clip in it so you dont have to shoot flat nose bullets and its still good out to 300-400 yards where as a 30-30 will leave u helpless long before those distances.
^^^ helpless??? I love it... Have you ever shot at 400 yards? let alone with a lever action? I aint sayin it cant be done but IDK about the average shooter shooting at that distance. Also on a side note, The 35 Remington is not a 200 to 300 yard cartridge! it is a 100 to 150 at best. shots can be made out to 200 but not by anybody, you would have to be very skilled to shoot the 35 out to 300 yards and I doubt that more than 2 or 3 people on this forum could do it REPEATEDLY. So please do not spew garbage advice about cartridges that you know nothing about...
he asked about 308, 270, and 30-30. I kept my response to those. he also said that 140 yds was the max range for this gun. he has a 30-06 for longer shots. and anyway, a 30-30 with LeverEvolution ammo will get him to 250 yards just fine, thank you very much, and his 30-06 can take over from there. he seems concerned about short range, brushy country, and snow. I think a handy 30-30 lever with iron sights is just about perfect for the conditions set by the poster.
you may like 35s or 300 magnums or 223 ARs, but they were not part of the question. today we are all enamored with modern cartridges but objectively speaking the 30-30 is a big gun, makes a big sound, delivers a good sized bullet, and kills quite nicely.
It is true right now I am only focused on a 308, 270 or possibly a Marlin 30-30. Regarding the 30-30 I know that you can take the bolt out by removing the lever and this will let you clean the bore from the correct end (I would imagine you can get a bore guide to slide in to proect everything for the 30-30 so that you don't get solvent all inside the case). What about cleaning the rest of the action in the lever action. I like the Marlin 39A due to being able to totally take apart and clean the action out but it seems like you can't take the 30-30 apart in the same manner to clean. Just wondering.
And yes I was thinking of the 30-30 in respect to stalking type hunting when your walking in the woods and also the open sites for protection against snow and what ever that may get a scope wet.
It seems to me that the 30-30 would be my next gun for deer hunting for the type of hunting I want to do with it being I have my 30-06, plus for the fact I can hand it down to my son. Perhaps I will save the .308 or .270 for after the 30-30 due to it sounds like it is a very simular type of gun to what my 30-06 will deliver. It does sound like people are very tossed up between the .308 and the .270. I just don't know what the difference between the 2 calibers are and if it really makes that much of a difference... As long as they both have stopping power for whitetail deer either are good, I guess I was just wondering which of the 2 has more stopping power and which would hold a straight line to where a scope would line up from 40 yrds to 120 yrds.
Right now like I said I have my 30-06 sited in for 100 yrds and anywhere between 40 to 120yrds if I line the crosshairs up that deer will drop becasue that bullet will hit very close to where it is sited on. I was asking if the .308 and .270 would be just as accurate doing the same thing as my 30-06 or if they would hold a tighter circle.
I appreciate all the input. This site is great and everytime I come here and read I am learn things I didn't know.
The difference between the two is action length and personal preference. The 308 has a wider assortment of loads available as well. As far as stopping power I'm not sure what you are meaning. I've personally used 16 different calibers on deer, and each deer acts different when hit, some drop in their tracks, some run a little ways, some kinda walk away, some have jumped and ran a bit, and some have jumped and dropped dead when their feet hit the ground. Dead is dead, some of them just take a little longer to figure it out than others. I personally have never used a 270 on deer but my dad has and one of the deer he shot with it was kind of an odd but funny story. Dad shot the deer and it was one of those that kinda walked away, it stopped by a cedar tree. When it did dad shot it again, no reaction, dad shot it again, no reaction. Dad sat there for a few and watched the deer for about 10 minutes and it never moved. So then dad starts walking towards the deer, it never moved. He got up to it pointing the gun at the deer just in case and put the barrel of the gun on the deers eyeball and poked it and then the deer fell. The cedar tree was holding the deer up, and the last 2 shots were not needed.
As far as what would be my choice for your hunting situation with the 40 to 120 yards I'd go with the 30-30. If I knew I'd be hunting other places where the ranges could be longer, then either the 270 or the 308 would be the way to go, though I'd lean towards the 308 just for the different loads that are available for it. I can't knock the 270 for any other reason than you just don't have the wide variety of bullets that you do for the 308.
Though if you're like me and not really a collector but an accumulator regardless of what you get, there will always to be an excuse to get one of the ones you didn't get the first time later.
^^^ helpless??? I love it... Have you ever shot at 400 yards? let alone with a lever action? I aint sayin it cant be done but IDK about the average shooter shooting at that distance. Also on a side note, The 35 Remington is not a 200 to 300 yard cartridge! it is a 100 to 150 at best. shots can be made out to 200 but not by anybody, you would have to be very skilled to shoot the 35 out to 300 yards and I doubt that more than 2 or 3 people on this forum could do it REPEATEDLY. So please do not spew garbage advice about cartridges that you know nothing about...
I have killed 3 coyotes in the past couple years at a touch over 400 yards as a matter of fact, with a bolt action i will say but never the less, If i can hit a lil coyote at that distance with bolt action i would hope i could hit a deer with a lever action, and the .308 would still have enough to do something when it got there as opposed to the 30-30.
you don't see leverguns shooting at 400 yards and reliably hitting targets, the lever rifle is a whole new animal compared to a bolt gun, I agree that the 308 has plenty of gas out there but the delivery system is what is lacking. Just because you chamber a lever gun in 338 Lapua does not mean it is capable of shooting the distance that the cartridge is...
you already have a do-it all gun, the 30-06, so the 30-30 makes good sense for a second gun. a 308 is just a slightly shorter 30-06 cartridge. the 270 is in the same general category. the 270 shoots (usually) a 130 gr. bullet which moves a long a little faster then the usual 150 or 169 gr. 30 caliber bullets in the 308 or 30-06 and therefore drops less for a given range. but the ranges you are talking about it doesn't matter.
the scope is about 1" above the bore. the sight line and the bore line should cross about 40 yds (give or take) and then the bullet rises above the line of sight and drops again to cross it at whatever distance you sight in for. the usual distance is 200 yds, not 100 so that at 100 yds the bullet is a few inches high, reaches a max of 3" above the line of sight somewhere between 100 and 200, crosses at 200 and then drops below the magic 3" circle at between 250 to 280 yards. that gives you a 'maximum point blank range' (MPBR) of 250 to 280 yards where the bullet never is more than 3" high or low and for deer thats just fine for heart/lung shots.
these are not exact numbers, it depends on the exact charge of powder used, the bullet's ballistic coefficient, how high the scope is above the bore but it gives you a general idea of ballistics.
look at the published ballistics tables and you will see the 308 and 30-06 are VERY close and the 270 is slightly flatter but they use different bullet weights so the energy figures are pretty close among the 3. the 30-30 is slower and therefore drops more at a given distance which makes it not so good past 200 yards, but until then it's just fine. The advantage to a lever action is that it is shorter making it easier to swing around in brushy country, it's easy to handle, and it has the nostalgia factor. plainly, it's fun, it's easy to shoot, cheap to feed, and it has killed more deer than any other single cartridge!
recoil wise the 308 and 270 are just a touch lighter than the 30-06 but the 30-30 is noticably easier on the shoulder. see:
a 308 or 270 effectively just gives you another gun in the 30-06 class. some like the 308 for it's shorter action and some like the 270 for its ballistics, but there is no argument that the 30-06 is not the most versatile gun available. but given your requirements, the 30-30 seems perfect.
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