Jungle Carbine in .308

F1609 · 12-15-2007, 12:49 PM

Well just went by the local gun store and saw one for around 250. It looks as if someone has redone it as the bluing is removed for the barrel to look polished and the stock is in a very good condition. But what does everyone know about it and how much does this rifle usually sell for.

Mooseman684 · 12-15-2007, 01:02 PM

Those are Ishapore re worked Rifles that were converted to jungle Carbines...They sold New for 299.00 up here 7 or 8 years ago. I bought one, tried it, got rid of it because I couldnt get stripper clips or extra mags at the time, and It wasn't an Original Jungle Carbine..They are OK for a shooter however!
Rich

F1609 · 12-15-2007, 01:13 PM

wht do you think about the price? Is it actually worth looking into? When i looked over the rifle nothing really seemed wrong about it, just I wawsn't a fan of the bolt on the enfields. That extra push wasn't the best.

Mooseman684 · 12-15-2007, 01:17 PM

Its not gonna gain much in value but they are a loud shooting fun gun...The Enfield Actions "Cock on locking" is one of the fastest Military Bolt actions ever designed.
Rich

Bookman · 12-15-2007, 01:24 PM

Congrats on post #3500, mooseman

F1609 - The price is OK for what you are getting. Me, I'd buy a Savage .308 for a bit more and be sure I was getting an accurate rifle. Your call.

Mooseman684 · 12-15-2007, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bookman

Congrats on post #3500, mooseman
F1609 - The price is OK for what you are getting. Me, I'd buy a Savage .308 for a bit more and be sure I was getting an accurate rifle. Your call.

Thanks...Who's Counting ??? LOL
Rich
( Feels wimpy compared to NRAJOE...)

nathangdad · 12-15-2007, 01:46 PM

The British army rifle of WW2 and 2, the SMLE,
was redone in what they called a Jungle Carbine
in the post WW2 era. It was plagued by problems
of accuracy the British never solved most likely due
to the barrel length and rigidity which worked with the .303 cartridge in the larger gun but not when the barrel was cut down to the shorter configuration. A large number of them were dumped by the British and found their way to America.

This is not a good buy at any price as it has no collector value other than excellent condition in original configuration and you will most likely never have replacement parts if something breaks as the gun is probably sixty years or over sixty years old.

F1609 · 12-15-2007, 02:07 PM

ok, just saw it as a low price and didn't know if it was a good deal for the price or not.

Mooseman684 · 12-15-2007, 02:09 PM

Again, it is not a bad price for a .308 shooter/ Enfield action..they are tough and reliable.
Rich

SilverRun · 12-15-2007, 03:43 PM

I think a company called "Gibbs" also made a repro or modified existing into .308 and a couple other calibers including 45/70 - they looked like a Jungle carbine. I think the company is now out of business - I don't know much about them though.

irish murphy · 12-16-2007, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathangdad

The British army rifle of WW2 and 2, the SMLE,
was redone in what they called a Jungle Carbine
in the post WW2 era. It was plagued by problems
of accuracy the British never solved most likely due
to the barrel length and rigidity which worked with the .303 cartridge in the larger gun but not when the barrel was cut down to the shorter configuration. A large number of them were dumped by the British and found their way to America.

This is not a good buy at any price as it has no collector value other than excellent condition in original configuration and you will most likely never have replacement parts if something breaks as the gun is probably sixty years or over sixty years old.

The problems werent caused by a short barrel.I have a short barrel smle which shoots fine.The flash hider was blamed for a long time for poor accuracy,but even with the hider removed the accuracy wasnt improved by much.What did make the original carbine shoot bad was the fact the action had been machined to remove excess weight.Which inturn made the action flex and move more.The whole rifle was made to improve its weight and mobility in the jungles of asia.They rarely break down and arent hard to find parts for.

If this rifle is a reproduction of a no5 JC and they havent removed metal from the action like the originals it is most likely a shooter.My mate has a original Faz No5 JC and it will (M.O.P)
all day everyday out the scrub.

Have any of the AIA smle copies turned up over there?They arent chambered in 303,but they come in 308 and 7.62x39.

Australian International Arms - No.4 mk.IV Modern SMLE Rifle in 7.62x51mm NATO

F1609 · 12-16-2007, 01:21 PM

It is a Gibbs, looked at photo's of them and it's the exact same. Still the price on gunbroker for the rifle is going higher than that at the store...... might need to do some shopping.

Mooseman684 · 12-16-2007, 02:08 PM

If it is a GIBBS and marked as such, they have a limited lifetime warranty, However they are only worth 150--200 dollars by Blue book Value.They made 2 versions, one using a 2A action, one using a No.4 action...the .308 were the 2A actions with reconfigured original wood...
FYI,
Rich

timberlord · 12-16-2007, 04:05 PM

Gibbs called them the No7 Jungle Carbine
I'd like to have one , but not at that price.

Bigdaveaz · 12-17-2007, 11:57 PM

I have an original no.5,shoots scary accurate! Dave.

dukenukum · 12-27-2007, 11:08 PM

the first high power rifle I shot was a #5 jungle carbine of my dads I still have it I mainly shoot cast bullets thru it I have found a lot of these rifles slug out at .308 instead of .313 so I chose bullets accordingly

sunray · 12-28-2007, 08:40 PM

"...The British army rifle of...and 2..." The No. 4 rifle is NOT an SMLE. Only the No. 1 is an SMLE.
The Gibbs rifles were bubba'd No.4's. Gibb's is gone too.
Any No. 5 in .308 Win. is a bubba'd rifle as well.

12-15-2007, 12:49 PM	#1
F1609 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 201 Images: 7	Jungle Carbine in .308 Well just went by the local gun store and saw one for around 250. It looks as if someone has redone it as the bluing is removed for the barrel to look polished and the stock is in a very good condition. But what does everyone know about it and how much does this rifle usually sell for.

12-15-2007, 01:02 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,401 Images: 2	Those are Ishapore re worked Rifles that were converted to jungle Carbines...They sold New for 299.00 up here 7 or 8 years ago. I bought one, tried it, got rid of it because I couldnt get stripper clips or extra mags at the time, and It wasn't an Original Jungle Carbine..They are OK for a shooter however! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-15-2007, 01:17 PM	#4
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,401 Images: 2	Its not gonna gain much in value but they are a loud shooting fun gun...The Enfield Actions "Cock on locking" is one of the fastest Military Bolt actions ever designed. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-15-2007, 01:46 PM	#7
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,823	If it is the British Jungle Carbine - forget it The British army rifle of WW2 and 2, the SMLE, was redone in what they called a Jungle Carbine in the post WW2 era. It was plagued by problems of accuracy the British never solved most likely due to the barrel length and rigidity which worked with the .303 cartridge in the larger gun but not when the barrel was cut down to the shorter configuration. A large number of them were dumped by the British and found their way to America. This is not a good buy at any price as it has no collector value other than excellent condition in original configuration and you will most likely never have replacement parts if something breaks as the gun is probably sixty years or over sixty years old.

12-15-2007, 02:09 PM	#9
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,401 Images: 2	Again, it is not a bad price for a .308 shooter/ Enfield action..they are tough and reliable. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-15-2007, 01:13 PM	#3
F1609 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 201 Images: 7	wht do you think about the price? Is it actually worth looking into? When i looked over the rifle nothing really seemed wrong about it, just I wawsn't a fan of the bolt on the enfields. That extra push wasn't the best.

12-15-2007, 01:24 PM	#5
Bookman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10 paces south of Canada Posts: 744	Congrats on post #3500, mooseman F1609 - The price is OK for what you are getting. Me, I'd buy a Savage .308 for a bit more and be sure I was getting an accurate rifle. Your call.

12-15-2007, 02:07 PM	#8
F1609 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 201 Images: 7	ok, just saw it as a low price and didn't know if it was a good deal for the price or not.

12-15-2007, 03:43 PM	#10
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,661	I think a company called "Gibbs" also made a repro or modified existing into .308 and a couple other calibers including 45/70 - they looked like a Jungle carbine. I think the company is now out of business - I don't know much about them though.

12-16-2007, 01:21 PM	#12
F1609 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 201 Images: 7	It is a Gibbs, looked at photo's of them and it's the exact same. Still the price on gunbroker for the rifle is going higher than that at the store...... might need to do some shopping.

12-16-2007, 02:08 PM	#13
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,401 Images: 2	If it is a GIBBS and marked as such, they have a limited lifetime warranty, However they are only worth 150--200 dollars by Blue book Value.They made 2 versions, one using a 2A action, one using a No.4 action...the .308 were the 2A actions with reconfigured original wood... FYI, Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-16-2007, 04:05 PM	#14
timberlord Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 315	Gibbs called them the No7 Jungle Carbine I'd like to have one , but not at that price. __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...LongStamp1.jpg Last edited by timberlord; 12-16-2007 at 04:14 PM.

12-17-2007, 11:57 PM	#15
Bigdaveaz Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 71	I have an original no.5,shoots scary accurate! Dave.

12-27-2007, 11:08 PM	#16
dukenukum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 20	the first high power rifle I shot was a #5 jungle carbine of my dads I still have it I mainly shoot cast bullets thru it I have found a lot of these rifles slug out at .308 instead of .313 so I chose bullets accordingly

12-28-2007, 08:40 PM	#17
sunray Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 98	"...The British army rifle of...and 2..." The No. 4 rifle is NOT an SMLE. Only the No. 1 is an SMLE. The Gibbs rifles were bubba'd No.4's. Gibb's is gone too. Any No. 5 in .308 Win. is a bubba'd rifle as well.