enfield no. 4 Mk 1 Plus PICS

[sell33]

if you can't see any numbers let me know ill check...also where it is stamped England the symbol looks like a crown with a P in a sort of circle underneath. Sorry for the pic quality on some. Any info. on year of birth, where, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Also i have no clue of value.

Thanks

[timberlord]

Royal Ordanance Factory Fazackerly
The "A" and the end of the serial number shows that this rifle has parts that are not interchangable with other No4's

[sell33]

well why did they do that!?? lol

Anyone know anything else about this gun?? sorry to bump

[sell33]

Nobody knows anything else about this?? sorry i'm really just wondering value and when it was made...

[wunhunglo]

For some reason, I can only get one photo to open, maybe they're too big for our tiny bandwidth where I am.

Can you post all the numbers/proof marks you can read and where they are stamped on the rifle.. Also check the barrel numbers & post them. Also how many grroves does the rifling have?

The year of manufacture is normally stamped (or ep'd) on the left hand side of the receiver beside the model number.

If it has a FTR stamp on the (usually)left side, that would mean factory thorough repair, ie. a factory recondition.

Rear sights, if they are of the pressed steel type, or simple two position flip that would indicate wartime manufacture. Solid machined sights indicate, pre/early war or post war production.
Proof marks:
Proof marks denoting Maltby manufacture include:
M, ROF(M), RM
Fazakerly manufacture:
ROF(F), F, FY
BSA manufacture:
B, 85B, M47

More info we have , the easier it is to find it's history.

[jimkim]

I asked about the A suffix and here was the response from lithyaddict

After the British withdrawal from Dunkirk the poms were desperate for anything that would fire a bullet.

At the time there were a heap of No.4 trials rifles in storage, so these were naturally placed in service.

As they were trials rifles, several bits and pieces were different to the standard No.4 in service, so the A prefix was changed to a suffix to denote that there was a chance that some parts were not interchangeable.

Any remaining A suffix rifles were ordered to be withdrawn and scrapped in the mid 1950s.

[irish murphy]

Lithy knows his stuff.Hes not called lithyaddict for nothing.He also has a mean collection of lithgows and enfields.Ill ask him if i can post a pic of some of his collection.Which includes a couple JCs and a sniper or two.Along with many other interesting rifles.

[jimkim]

Lithy sent this later.

I had to consult the bible to answer this one but it appears that differences included alterations to the cocking piece, striker, striker keeper screw, buttplate,rearsight plunger, backsight and composition of steel for the breechbolt. Many of these rifles were produced as factory exercises in manufacture (resulting in discrepancies between units) and not intended for use.

As a footnote, 2749 trials rifles were produced which would make this one a more desirable specimen to a collector.

[irish murphy]

He is a man of the book.THE BOOK.The only book for a SMLE owner.

[ArkansasHunter]

Wow this is interesting to say the least !

[irish murphy]

Not that book AH.Sorry buddy

[sell33]

so being a "trial rifle" any idea what the value would be??

[irish murphy]

Its is worth more to a collector mate.I have no idea what its worth.

[sell33]

Hmm. who knows. I looked on gunbroker and there were only a few and different values so I'm not really sure but I am sure that it is worth more than my dad payed for it...

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

Sell if only 2749 of these were built you can be sure they would be collectable. I was wondering why it didnt have all the usual marks you find on other Enfields.

[sell33]

i hope so!!! lol dad got lucky i suppose....he only paid 85 dollars for it!