12-14-2008, 11:09 AM
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#41 | | Firearm Zealot
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Where the heck did you ever start thinking that?
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12-14-2008, 10:20 PM
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#42 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by gandog56  | Where the heck did you ever start thinking that? | When a fellow shooter got half his face blown and I
dug deeper into K31 history.
look into: www.limawiederladetechnik.de/Waffen/K31.htm
Have somebody, if you do not read german yourself, translate it.
It is very interesting and might have your hair stand up.
By the way, it is written by a weapons designer and constructor.
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12-14-2008, 10:31 PM
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#43 | | Firearm Zealot
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Your link didn't work.
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12-14-2008, 10:57 PM
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#44 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by gandog56 go to google and type the adress excactly.
It will bring to "Gefahr beim Karabiner K31"
Have fun.
On that site is a wealth of other things related to
handloading and guns in general.
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12-14-2008, 11:30 PM
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#45 | | Firearm Zealot
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Apparently, the K-31 has "warts" and "The injuries within the face range are then considerable and the eyesight of the goal eye probably lost or strongly in pulled."
I'd hate to lose or have strongly pulled, my goal eye!!!
Seriously, here is a link to the translation: Translation result for http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/Waffen/K31.htm
There are some concerns about the lugs cracking and there is a laundry list of "evils". It almost sounds like the Germans were jealous of the Swiss engineering and are nit picking.
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12-15-2008, 09:53 PM
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#46 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Still, it's about made up my mind on the issue of getting one. I was really wanting one, but I am having second thoughts. Even is 5 people out of 5000 had the problem, that's 5 too many. Hell, you are taking a risk of some kind whenever you pick up a gun anyway. I was shooting my 91/30 and the back-end of a shell blew out and peppered my face with liquid hot magma! Ouch!
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12-15-2008, 11:06 PM
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#47 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by thaddy1978 | Still, it's about made up my mind on the issue of getting one. I was really wanting one, but I am having second thoughts. Even is 5 people out of 5000 had the problem, that's 5 too many. Hell, you are taking a risk of some kind whenever you pick up a gun anyway. I was shooting my 91/30 and the back-end of a shell blew out and peppered my face with liquid hot magma! Ouch! | Hi thaddy.
When I saw the injury the bolt made, I shivered.
There are 3 rifles I will not touch.
The canadian Ross Rifle, the K31 and the Blaser R93.
Not even to work on them.
As far as I am concerned, they make terrific wallhangers.
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12-15-2008, 11:19 PM
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#48 | | Firearm Zealot
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If you don't reload the clip the k-31 will be able to do 6 faster than the Enfield but if you do more say 10 you have to reload the k-31 once and not the Enfield 20rds you load the k-31 3 times to 2 for the Enfield so the clip is the problem. Maybe if you only load 6 in each at a time it would be more fair.
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12-16-2008, 12:31 AM
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#49 | | Firearm Zealot
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Fair? That sounds more like making rules to make sure the K-31 wins. The Enfield's advantage in in mag capacity, the K-31's advantage is in the ergonomics of the straight pull bolt.
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12-16-2008, 02:15 PM
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#50 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Reloading may be the deciding factor. True the Enfield holds more, but the reload is the difficult part. If the K31's clip works and mine binds or loads one round wrong that may be it. Let's face it this will be just for fun and no "real" indication which rifle is better. Win or lose it is going to be a blast.
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01-12-2009, 08:55 PM
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#51 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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my bet is for the rifle of the commonwealth.
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01-13-2009, 11:28 AM
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#52 | | Freedom Zealot
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I love my K31. She's super accurate. Any rifle can, and will eventually fail. After all, you are causing a controlled explosion, and placing your face right next to it. Add to this the fact that you're shooting a rifle that could be up to 100 years old, and some may call you a lunatic with a death wish !!
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01-13-2009, 12:54 PM
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#53 | | Firearm Aficionado
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Amen to Steve! Whether it's a beautiful, hand-rubbed K31 or a beat-to-shit SMLE out of the attic, any 100-year-old weapon could blow up on you... Now, for those of us who are lunatics with a death wish, firing a 100-year-old weapon is probably one of the most satisfying of all activities...
And, what the hey: We ain't gonna get out of this life alive, anyhow...
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01-13-2009, 12:56 PM
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#54 | | Firearm Zealot
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I'm still waiting for the results of this shoot-off like a coiled rope!
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01-13-2009, 01:22 PM
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#55 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by Alan De Enfield | "The record in the mad minute was set in 1914 at the British School of Musketry by Sgt Instructor Snoxall using a Lee Enfield SMLE. 38 hits inside the 4 ring at 300 yds within the minute. Scores of 34 to 35 were "not uncommon".
Apparently its never been beaten by any bolt action rifle. | has anyone ever at any time beaten that?
if not.
then Enfield .
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01-13-2009, 01:23 PM
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#56 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by leopard When a fellow shooter got half his face blown and I
dug deeper into K31 history.
look into: www.limawiederladetechnik.de/Waffen/K31.htm
Have somebody, if you do not read german yourself, translate it.
It is very interesting and might have your hair stand up.
By the way, it is written by a weapons designer and constructor. | i wouldnt be suprised if every type of firearm on the planet has blown up at one time or another.
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01-13-2009, 02:06 PM
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#57 | | Firearm Zealot
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Originally Posted by billy | has anyone ever at any time beaten that?
if not.
then Enfield . |
I couldn't beat it when I did have a semi-auto rifle! I could get two mags off but couldn't keep them all within 12" at 300 yards!
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01-15-2009, 12:58 AM
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#58 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Weather has affected my plans. First I couldn't go get ammo due to snow storms. My opponent was unable to travel to my area to compete. Now I don't have any time and winds are blowing with a -23 wind chill. So here I am sitting inside with no ammo. You can be assured you guys will be the first to know the results, just don't hold your breath. Feel free to keep discussing or better yet try it yourselves, I am curious which will win too.
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01-15-2009, 03:19 AM
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#59 | | Firearm Aficionado
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leopard,
2 million soldiers in ww11 used a k31, each soldier shot 800 rounds to qualify in their army training.
Then they each shot at least 20 rounds per year until 1970ish when they were replaced.
My math says the k31 has fired 1.2 billion rounds not including the "village shoot" that shot millions more.
Plus of course the k-11..............
So i bet i can find a nighmare story for any rifle with this many bullets through it.
The Swiss were in ww11, they guarded the borders and repelled anyone who tried to cross.
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01-15-2009, 03:31 AM
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#60 | | Firearm Zealot
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The Swiss were in ww11, they guarded the borders and repelled anyone who tried to cross. | Unless they had money to deposit! | |
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