What about British "K52" ammo?

Laufer · 06-06-2009, 05:00 AM

Bought the .303 from a guy on Gunbroker, about 100 rounds, while waiting for the "JC" to be shipped.
It is supposedly British-made (Not POF-I have some and it works very well).

Was the "K" made for the civilian or military users?
If military, I had no idea that the British forces still used these in the 50's, but maybe it was for overseas users in the remaining "commonwealth".

pathdoc · 06-06-2009, 06:53 AM

IIRC British and Commonwealth forces were still equipped with the .303 at the time of the Korean War; so if the K52 refers to 1952 manufacture, it would have been wartime issue for active service.

wunhunglo · 06-06-2009, 07:10 AM

"K" was "Kynoch" one of the largest British ammunition makers up until the 60's (I believe). If the Ammo is ball it's military. The .303 rifle remained in service until the mid 50's when it was replaced with the L1A1 SLR/FAL.

Research "Kynoch" on the web for more info.

There was also a "K" factory in India which made ammo during WW1 but don't know if they were still manufacturing in 52.

Alan De Enfield · 06-06-2009, 10:30 AM

Kynoch are still manufacturing 303 today.
email : kynamco@aol.com

They are making a true 303 MkVII round and it is labelled as such.

Taken from the box label :
Powder charge 39.3gr
Case S&B
Bullet 174gr RO
Primer Boxer
Velocity Muzzle 2489 ft/sec, at 100mts 2406 ft/sec
Energt Muzzle 2400 ft/ibs, 100mts 2238 ft/lbs

pathdoc · 06-06-2009, 05:53 PM

Oh gawd, Boxer primed .303MkVII?

You know, they're going to get to the point where they're not going to be able to tell which century it was made in!

Wow, where do I order some?

gandog56 · 06-07-2009, 04:02 AM

Hmmm, I just got some Kynoch .303 brass in a trade from ammobrasstrader.com

Laufer · 06-07-2009, 08:56 PM

A friend has a chunk of his friend's 60's Pakistani in the 32-round boxes (kept in original metal can) to sell.

I've shot about 100 rounds of similar POF, but do you guys do any extra cleaning after using POF, compared to the ('43) British .303, which was produced during the time of
Alfred the Great?

For example, after pouring boiling water down the bore and scrubbing with patches before drying, do you then use 'Break-free or Hoppe's #9, the nasty nitro liquid? I guess the J. Carbine is a "nitro-burning funny car".

What do Gandog, Alan, Wun and the other classic gun gurus recommend?

GUNZABLAZIN · 06-07-2009, 10:43 PM

A bit off topic, but what is POF? Learning new things everyday!!

Iron_Colonel · 06-07-2009, 11:19 PM

POF is the Pakistani headstamp for the .303 milsurp. Thats about all I know. It is corrosive, and should be cleaned as such. Clean with soapy water, windex with ammonia, Hoppes. I have a strict regiment I clean all my milsurps with after shooting corrosive ammo. I use Windex, Butch's Bore Shine, Hoppe's 9, and a Hoppe's copper solvent as well as letting it soak after each pass. Its just me, and is probably a little overkill, but thats ok with me if my guns stay happy

Laufer · 06-08-2009, 02:50 AM

Gunz- :

It stands for "Pakistani Ordinance Factory", as with the old British desigination
{Royal} "ROF (F)" for so many rifles in WW2 and long before etc. My British ammo says "K 43", as in 1943. Shooting the exact same stuff that British troops used in Europe, Burma etc.

Don't know about you guys, but I sure wish that LEs were the same price as MNs.
Having one LE is not enough.

wunhunglo · 06-08-2009, 08:24 AM

I don't use corrosive ammo these days mainly because I haven't seen any in Donkey's years so I use reloads or Privi Partisan. When I did use corrosive ammo I just used hot water, "Youngs 303" and a light oiling when dry.

Parker-Hale Limited - Oils and Chemical products

Alan De Enfield · 06-08-2009, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wunhunglo

I don't use corrosive ammo these days mainly because I haven't seen any in Donkey's years so I use reloads or Privi Partisan. When I did use corrosive ammo I just used hot water, "Youngs 303" and a light oiling when dry.

Parker-Hale Limited - Oils and Chemical products

I avoid the corosive stuff, and like one-hung-low I just use modern Privi, Kynoch or home loads.

gandog56 · 06-08-2009, 03:25 PM

I got no problem using the corrosive stuff. My range bag always has some Windex in it for immediate flushing out at the range. But I shoot mostly reloads for accuracy.

DesertRaider109 · 06-08-2009, 05:31 PM

I hate the POF ammo, maybe I just got two Lemon boxes but so many of them were duds and hangfires.

The Prvi Partizan ammo is just fine for me.

JimBob · 06-09-2009, 12:18 AM

Is there any U.S.source for Parker-Hale products?I've been looking for a supply of "Rangoon"oil.

06-06-2009, 05:00 AM	#1
Laufer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Down south. Posts: 524	What about British "K52" ammo? Bought the .303 from a guy on Gunbroker, about 100 rounds, while waiting for the "JC" to be shipped. It is supposedly British-made (Not POF-I have some and it works very well). Was the "K" made for the civilian or military users? If military, I had no idea that the British forces still used these in the 50's, but maybe it was for overseas users in the remaining "commonwealth".

06-06-2009, 07:10 AM	#3
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,098	"K" was "Kynoch" one of the largest British ammunition makers up until the 60's (I believe). If the Ammo is ball it's military. The .303 rifle remained in service until the mid 50's when it was replaced with the L1A1 SLR/FAL. Research "Kynoch" on the web for more info. There was also a "K" factory in India which made ammo during WW1 but don't know if they were still manufacturing in 52. __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'! Last edited by wunhunglo; 06-06-2009 at 07:31 AM.

06-07-2009, 04:02 AM	#6
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 11,611	Hmmm, I just got some Kynoch .303 brass in a trade from ammobrasstrader.com __________________ People think I'm paranoid because I own guns. If I own guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

06-07-2009, 08:56 PM	#7
Laufer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Down south. Posts: 524	A friend has a chunk of his friend's 60's Pakistani in the 32-round boxes (kept in original metal can) to sell. I've shot about 100 rounds of similar POF, but do you guys do any extra cleaning after using POF, compared to the ('43) British .303, which was produced during the time of Alfred the Great? For example, after pouring boiling water down the bore and scrubbing with patches before drying, do you then use 'Break-free or Hoppe's #9, the nasty nitro liquid? I guess the J. Carbine is a "nitro-burning funny car". What do Gandog, Alan, Wun and the other classic gun gurus recommend? Last edited by Laufer; 06-07-2009 at 09:00 PM.

06-07-2009, 10:43 PM	#8
GUNZABLAZIN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blufton,Indiana Posts: 424	A bit off topic, but what is POF? Learning new things everyday!! __________________ TED KENNEDY'S CAR HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THEN MY GUNS!

06-06-2009, 06:53 AM	#2
pathdoc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 111	IIRC British and Commonwealth forces were still equipped with the .303 at the time of the Korean War; so if the K52 refers to 1952 manufacture, it would have been wartime issue for active service.

06-06-2009, 10:30 AM	#4
Alan De Enfield Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Eastern England Posts: 271	Kynoch are still manufacturing 303 today. email : kynamco@aol.com They are making a true 303 MkVII round and it is labelled as such. Taken from the box label : Powder charge 39.3gr Case S&B Bullet 174gr RO Primer Boxer Velocity Muzzle 2489 ft/sec, at 100mts 2406 ft/sec Energt Muzzle 2400 ft/ibs, 100mts 2238 ft/lbs

06-06-2009, 05:53 PM	#5
pathdoc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 111	Oh gawd, Boxer primed .303MkVII? You know, they're going to get to the point where they're not going to be able to tell which century it was made in! Wow, where do I order some?

06-07-2009, 11:19 PM	#9
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,210	POF is the Pakistani headstamp for the .303 milsurp. Thats about all I know. It is corrosive, and should be cleaned as such. Clean with soapy water, windex with ammonia, Hoppes. I have a strict regiment I clean all my milsurps with after shooting corrosive ammo. I use Windex, Butch's Bore Shine, Hoppe's 9, and a Hoppe's copper solvent as well as letting it soak after each pass. Its just me, and is probably a little overkill, but thats ok with me if my guns stay happy __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

06-08-2009, 02:50 AM	#10
Laufer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Down south. Posts: 524	Gunz- : It stands for "Pakistani Ordinance Factory", as with the old British desigination {Royal} "ROF (F)" for so many rifles in WW2 and long before etc. My British ammo says "K 43", as in 1943. Shooting the exact same stuff that British troops used in Europe, Burma etc. Don't know about you guys, but I sure wish that LEs were the same price as MNs. Having one LE is not enough. Last edited by Laufer; 06-08-2009 at 02:53 AM.

06-08-2009, 08:24 AM	#11
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,098	I don't use corrosive ammo these days mainly because I haven't seen any in Donkey's years so I use reloads or Privi Partisan. When I did use corrosive ammo I just used hot water, "Youngs 303" and a light oiling when dry. Parker-Hale Limited - Oils and Chemical products __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

06-08-2009, 03:25 PM	#13
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 11,611	I got no problem using the corrosive stuff. My range bag always has some Windex in it for immediate flushing out at the range. But I shoot mostly reloads for accuracy. __________________ People think I'm paranoid because I own guns. If I own guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

06-08-2009, 05:31 PM	#14
DesertRaider109 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 401 Blog Entries: 1	I hate the POF ammo, maybe I just got two Lemon boxes but so many of them were duds and hangfires. The Prvi Partizan ammo is just fine for me.

06-09-2009, 12:18 AM	#15
JimBob Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: East Central Illinois Posts: 720	Is there any U.S.source for Parker-Hale products?I've been looking for a supply of "Rangoon"oil.