The Streets Aren't Safe

[GGReporter]

While the gun-banners keep arguing that the U.S. needs to be more like England when it comes to firearms, they're ignoring the reality of life in Great Britain: dangerous streets and defenselessness for those who obey the law.

The latest evidence that England's gun ban only disarmed the good guys comes from Liverpool, where BBC Radio host Shelagh Fogarty went to find out if residents in her old neighborhood feel safe.

She got her answer when a gang member drove by and pointed a gun at her. Fogarty says if it weren't for the fact that a police siren fired up nearby at that same moment, she'd be dead today. Dead in gun-free England, where the government banned handguns more than a decade ago.

Apparently England's drug gangs and street thugs didn't get the memo, because they're still armed. In fact, violent gun crime continues to climb in the UK. Residents aren't safe and everyone knows it. Even the British Home Secretary Jacqui Smith says she doesn't go out at night because she doesn't feel it's safe. That's life under a gun ban. The criminals have the upper hand, and even powerful politicians cower in their homes.

Talk to any Brit who used to be a gun owner, and they'll say, "Don't let it happen to you." They're right. There are many threats to our freedoms this year, but each one is also a chance for us to safeguard our freedoms. Gun owners must rise, and stand united, and prevail. Or England is our future.

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[Rave]

S.O.S.!
I guess it's a good thing I am not on the political forum.

[Cyrano]

You know, there's a saying that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. What a shame we could not arrange for some of the more liberal jackasses in Congress, e.g., McCarthy, Pelosi, Schumer, and Feinstein, whose faces are not known to the English underworld, to be kidnapped from an embassy ball and dropped off in all their politically correct splendor in the worst neighborhood in Liverpool....

I bet they'd change their tune after they were mugged and the police did nothing - if they lived through the experience, that is.

[Rave]

Originally Posted by Cyrano

You know, there's a saying that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. What a shame we could not arrange for some of the more liberal jackasses in Congress, e.g., McCarthy, Pelosi, Schumer, and Feinstein, whose faces are not known to the English underworld, to be kidnapped from an embassy ball and dropped off in all their politically correct splendor in the worst neighborhood in Liverpool....
I bet they'd change their tune after they were mugged and the police did nothing - if they lived through the experience, that is.

You are 100% right,saw it happen down here in Tampa a few times,even had our ultr-liberal mayor change her tune after her home was burglerized while she and her political cronies were out at a lavish dinner.

[wunhunglo]

Talk to any Brit who used to be a gun owner, and they'll say, "Don't let it happen to you." They're right. There are many threats to our freedoms this year, but each one is also a chance for us to safeguard our freedoms. Gun owners must rise, and stand united, and prevail. Or England is our future.

Apart from your use of England instead of Britain, I agree entirely with you.
I was one of those who had to surrender, firstly my self loading rifles, then a few years later my handguns.........Funny how as a soldier I was allowed to patrol the streets of Ulster and other places with an automatic weapon and as a civilian not to be trusted with a self loader!
Prior to 1920 when the first British fireams act was brought in we were allowed to own virtually anything without licencing, even full autos like the Thompson or Vickers. Unfortunately the Russian revolution scared the pants off the British government of the day and since then they have been hell bent on disarming the public.
Looks like the USA is following in our footsteps.
The lack of coordination between the shooting community in the UK didn't help us much, the different shooting factions thought they were ok as long as it didn't affect them. First to go were, Mil type semi autos, but so what, REAL target shooters didn't use them, neither did shotgun game shooters! Then pump & auto shotguns, got the treatment, but there wasn't too many of them, real shotgun guys used SxS's or O/U's so it would only affect the cowboys, then it was the handgunners turn........ Bit by bit, the shooting factions were eliminated!
We're getting a bit more organised now, but there's a lot less of us and the statistics are in our favour.
Just to keep the matter straight cos there's a lot of bull spouted about the British firearms laws; currently we are allowed, shotguns including pump & auto but restricted to max of 3 shots. Semi auto 22's, (but no semi auto full bore rifles), full bore rifles with any size of magazines, muzzle loading pistols/revolvers any size, "Long barreled" handguns, with min 12" barrel and wrist brace to take the overall length to 2 ft. Anything less than 2ft overall length and barrel less than 12" is prohibited. Oh, almost forgot, we can get silencer/moderators for anything no problems.

As it stands only the criminals in the UK have Handguns and auto/semi auto weapons but then again, they've never registered their firearms like the law abiding have to do.

Hitler did it as well, registration first, then confiscation.

Non illigitamus carborundum - Don't let the b*stards grind you down ...

[ArkansasHunter]

wunhunglo were you paid for the firearms you surrendered ? And what were some of the threats your goverment would impose if you didn't surrender them ?
Was there any news about anyone who refused or fought back ?
Because personaly I will die for my right to own firearms...A.H

[wunhunglo]

AH. Yes, we were compensated for the firearms & equipment surrendered.
Can you guys fight "City hall"? From a certain date it was to be illegal to own them which would get you a jail term of up to 14 years if you didn't surrender them. Veiled threat! They had all the details because of the licencing requirements, plus they were, of course, dealing with one of the most law abiding sections of the public. I know of no licence holders who did not surrender their firearms. Though when they banned the large capacity auto & Pump shotguns, rumour has it that approx 4 million shotguns disappeared overnight, cos they were never required to be registered at that time.
The only stand that was made by some was to render the firearm inoperable when you surrendered it. Most of us bent the barrels and cut the actions before surrendering them.(this was acceptable because the government had stated that they were all to be destroyed anyway--the Police for some reason didn't like this approach though!)

Registration................confiscation!

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by wunhunglo

The lack of coordination between the shooting community in the UK didn't help us much, the different shooting factions thought they were ok as long as it didn't affect them. First to go were, Mil type semi autos, but so what, REAL target shooters didn't use them, neither did shotgun game shooters! Then pump & auto shotguns, got the treatment, but there wasn't too many of them, real shotgun guys used SxS's or O/U's so it would only affect the cowboys, then it was the handgunners turn........ Bit by bit, the shooting factions were eliminated!

Shooters and supporters of the Second Amendment everywhere would do well to remember the cautionary words of Pastor Neimoller, who was commenting on how the Nazis did things. They are on point for the actions of the gun-banners in thre United States:

"When they came for the communists, I was silent, because I was not a communist;
When they came for the socialists, I was silent, because I was not a socialist;
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not protest, because I was not a trade unionist;
When they came for the Jews, I did not protest, because I was not a Jew;
When they came for me, there was no one left to protest on my behalf."

Fight the bastards for your Second Amendment rights every step of the way, at every opportunity, with every legal weapon that comes to hand. Why?

Because if we do it that way, we won't have to fight them in the streets with the guns the bastards want to take from us, so they may impose tyranny upon us with impunity.

[LarryO1970]

Hey... I spent two years in the U.K. while stationed there for the USAF... the crime rate is no less than it is here, and if anything, it's more brutal.

Crime is crime is crime... whether it is done with a firearm, axe, hammer or knife, it is a crime. In the U.S., there are probably more crimes done with firearms than in the U.K. ... however I think I'd rather be shot than end up with an axe in my head from some chucklehead trying to rob my house or rape a family member. Fundamentally... the Govt. of the U.K. is denying it's citizens the right and means to self defense while arming the criminals.

The "geniuses" who want to ban guns should also ban axe's, hammers, knives and hey wait a minute... ban motor vehicles. More people are killed annually by vehicles than firearms. Intentional or not, it is much the same as firearms.

You ARE right... the streets are not safe.

[Windwalker]

The gun-grabbers in our Country would leave us just as defenseless as our friends in the U.K. As has been said here, if total government control is the answer why are prisons so dangerous? We must protect our Constitution and Bill of Rights. You folks who live in States that have gun-grabbers representing you in the Senate and House, VOTE them out.

[LarryO1970]

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." George Washington


Frankly, enough said. Do the current day politicians really have the balls (whatever) to challenge our founding father?

[ArkansasHunter]

I think our currant day politicians are afraid we'll turn our guns on them !!!

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

I think our currant day politicians are afraid we'll turn our guns on them !!!

... they should be.

[Reddbecca]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

... they should be.

Screw that, I say go one step further. I say go all the way to Clint Eastwood in "Unforgiven".

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." George Washington


Frankly, enough said. Do the current day politicians really have the balls (whatever) to challenge our founding father?

they will larryO if the majority believes their propraganda?

[LarryO1970]

I'll tell you what... my street here in Wisconsin is VERY safe... not only are my guns protecting it... but we are chock full of law enforcement officers here too.

God help the first kid who attempts a theft or a break in.

This, my friends... is a great example of "streets that ARE safe".

[mym1a]

lets face it criminals by nature, are going to take the path of least resistance!the last thing they want to do is confront someone with a firearm and who knows how to use it!


create a problem so a solution can be applied! what better way to inslave a nation then by their own asking??????????????????

[LarryO1970]

mym1a... yes criminals will take the path of least resistance. I'll tell you what... kinda like the movie "I'm Gonna Getcha Sucka" ... they have three choices, the window or the stairs. Choice three... well, they don't want to pick that one. That could be any number of projectiles and speeds that will cancel their thievery career immediately. Ya know... it's kinda hard to run or do much else with their scrotum hanging from the tree in the front yard.

I rest comfortably knowing what is between them, myself, my family and my goods... is it really worth the prize to them?

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

I'll tell you what... my street here in Wisconsin is VERY safe... not only are my guns protecting it... but we are chock full of law enforcement officers here too.

God help the first kid who attempts a theft or a break in.

This, my friends... is a great example of "streets that ARE safe".

I'm imagining that your street must be like the scene in the Chuck Norris movie, Code of Silence, where the would be robbers attempt to rob a bar, that is actually a cop bar and full of cops at the time they make the attempt. Totally a priceless moment. lol

G-Meister

[LarryO1970]

Yeah.... you'd probably be right about that. Everyone knows everyone... we all watch out for each other.