Police launch gun program

GGReporter · 03-25-2008, 09:32 AM

The Metropolitan Police Department yesterday moved cautiously into its program to ask to search homes in the District for illegal guns while civil rights activists knocked on doors and used bullhorns to keep residents from participating. "We shouldn't make the next casualty of street violence cherished civil rights," said Johnny Barnes, director of American Civil Liberties Union of the National Capital Area. "We're very uncomfortable with police randomly banging on doors without probable cause asking for access."

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ArkansasHunter · 03-25-2008, 11:06 AM

I wonder if the Police will show up in there SWAT uniforms ?

LarryO1970 · 03-25-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

I wonder if the Police will show up in there SWAT uniforms ?

No ... that would be taken as a show of force. Not a wise move...

Bravo · 03-25-2008, 12:39 PM

So if you deny them the right to search your house...what are the consequences?

They don't have warrants, right?

LarryO1970 · 03-25-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

So if you deny them the right to search your house...what are the consequences?

They don't have warrants, right?

If it is like the last one, they have to ask ... and can search with consent. Without it, they have no warrants, so no search.

Bravo · 03-25-2008, 12:49 PM

None of it makes sense to me. The police should have bigger things to worry about. Besides, if they would allow citizens to protect themselves and protect their own homes, they wouldn't have half the problems that they do right now.

ezearln · 03-25-2008, 01:04 PM

When will the social engineers learn gun control bans do not work? Any law enacted for any reason only affects the law abiding anyway. Do these mental midgets actually believe that a carjacker/rapist/thief already breaking the law to make money/etc is really gonna say to his/her self "Golly they just made having a handgun illegal, reckon I ought to go get me a shotgun instead"? Give me a break bans don't work, never have never will and let's be real honest here if it were possible to eliminate every firearm from the face of the earth by waving a wand the criminals would just find a new tool to kill or intimidate with. Gun control don't work!

Slow Fuse · 03-25-2008, 01:10 PM

Now, how are they going to make a complete search of your home without intimidating you or breaking something. I have been around to many cops to know how they work. It’s not their stuff if it gets broke or ruined , their attitude ,oh well, lets move on.

In the end it all turns black

OkieHenry · 03-25-2008, 01:40 PM

If they get away with this once where will it end?
can I expect two or three years from now answering a knock at my door and the police say we need to search you home for anything illeagle.
not that i have anything thats illeagle, but i mean this could start of something that spreads. we have constitutional rights for now but they keep taking more of them away.
when is someone going to say ENOUGH!!!

LarryO1970 · 03-25-2008, 04:45 PM

... called the 4th Amendment. Without probable cause, their entrance without permission is illegal. Anything illegally found is no longer admissible in court.

It is simple... no search without probable cause and a Judge granting the entry (search warrant specifying exactly what is being searched for). If they are looking for a rifle... for example, they can't look through the silverware drawer. A specified item has to be identified... and any search out of that scope can be challenged.

TACAV · 03-25-2008, 04:47 PM

I dont blame the police for this so much as the idiot politicians above them pressuring them to do so. The police have better things to do and they know it too.

LarryO1970 · 03-25-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TACAV

I dont blame the police for this so much as the idiot politicians above them pressuring them to do so. The police have better things to do and they know it too.

I agree completely ... probably a Democrat or Liberal pressuring the Police Chief to comply.

We all know that most Democrats and pretty much all Liberals are anti-gun.

I definitely do not see this coming from a Republican.

Maybe the Police Dept should be working on their jobs in the murder capital of the U.S. ... ?

Deersniper · 03-25-2008, 04:58 PM

First Chicago, and now D.C. I'll bet they are desperately trying for more "ammo" for the Heller case. [See, look at all the guns we found] Just do not open the door. No warrant, no search. I heard if you refuse, that gives them probable cause for a warrant. they are doing the same thing in Dallas, it's called knock and chat. If this is plan B, it ain't good. Stand up America, tell them no!
Where is the line in the sand, people?

LarryO1970 · 03-25-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deersniper

First Chicago, and now D.C. I'll bet they are desperately trying for more "ammo" for the Heller case. [See, look at all the guns we found] Just do not open the door. No warrant, no search. I heard if you refuse, that gives them probable cause for a warrant. they are doing the same thing in Dallas, it's called knock and chat. If this is plan B, it ain't good. Stand up America, tell them no!
Where is the line in the sand, people?

Refusal is not probable cause for a warrant. There would need to be other information for a judge to approve a search warrant... something specific. A rumor means nothing, it would have to be substantiated.

Nobody... but nobody is allowed in my home without my consent ... or they will be looking into the eyes of one angry man and the dangerous end of my Benelli M2...

oldjarhead · 03-25-2008, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieHenry

If they get away with this once where will it end?
can I expect two or three years from now answering a knock at my door and the police say we need to search you home for anything illeagle.
not that i have anything thats illeagle, but i mean this could start of something that spreads. we have constitutional rights for now but they keep taking more of them away.
when is someone going to say ENOUGH!!!

Someone did at Concord Bridge about 232 years ago.

LarryO1970 · 03-25-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjarhead

Someone did at Concord Bridge about 232 years ago.

Jarhead ... forgive my being naive... or lack of memory... but what happened at the Concord Bridge 232 years ago?

TheWall · 03-25-2008, 05:33 PM

Maybe if they searched for illegal drugs, we wouldn't need guns.

GlockMeister · 03-25-2008, 05:35 PM

Now do you think they right down the names and or addresses of those that didn't participate so that they can later go in with a search warrant? Thinking they didn't participate because they have or may have something to hide, I wonder? Wouldn't put it past them that's for sure.

LarryO1970 · 03-25-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Now do you think they right down the names and or addresses of those that didn't participate so that they can later go in with a search warrant? Thinking they didn't participate because they have or may have something to hide, I wonder? Wouldn't put it past them that's for sure.

Refusal is not probable cause for a warrant. There would need to be other information for a judge to approve a search warrant... something specific. A rumor means nothing, it would have to be substantiated.

It still comes down to probable cause.

simpleman601 · 03-25-2008, 07:36 PM

So what you do is start screming NO!!!.... Take your guns to a friends house By the time they get back with a warrent only to find a pellet rifle.. jokes on them hehehe

03-25-2008, 09:32 AM	#1
GGReporter Magazine Staff Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 588	Police launch gun program The Metropolitan Police Department yesterday moved cautiously into its program to ask to search homes in the District for illegal guns while civil rights activists knocked on doors and used bullhorns to keep residents from participating. "We shouldn't make the next casualty of street violence cherished civil rights," said Johnny Barnes, director of American Civil Liberties Union of the National Capital Area. "We're very uncomfortable with police randomly banging on doors without probable cause asking for access." More...

03-25-2008, 01:04 PM	#7
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,125	When will the social engineers learn gun control bans do not work? Any law enacted for any reason only affects the law abiding anyway. Do these mental midgets actually believe that a carjacker/rapist/thief already breaking the law to make money/etc is really gonna say to his/her self "Golly they just made having a handgun illegal, reckon I ought to go get me a shotgun instead"? Give me a break bans don't work, never have never will and let's be real honest here if it were possible to eliminate every firearm from the face of the earth by waving a wand the criminals would just find a new tool to kill or intimidate with. Gun control don't work! __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

03-25-2008, 01:10 PM	#8
Slow Fuse Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Just back far enough Posts: 64	Gun search Now, how are they going to make a complete search of your home without intimidating you or breaking something. I have been around to many cops to know how they work. It’s not their stuff if it gets broke or ruined , their attitude ,oh well, lets move on. In the end it all turns black

03-25-2008, 04:45 PM	#10
LarryO1970 "Blazing Saddles" GOV Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 1,432	... called the 4th Amendment. Without probable cause, their entrance without permission is illegal. Anything illegally found is no longer admissible in court. It is simple... no search without probable cause and a Judge granting the entry (search warrant specifying exactly what is being searched for). If they are looking for a rifle... for example, they can't look through the silverware drawer. A specified item has to be identified... and any search out of that scope can be challenged. __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war... ~ William Shakespeare

03-25-2008, 05:33 PM	#17
TheWall Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 101	Maybe if they searched for illegal drugs, we wouldn't need guns. __________________ *You only live once, so make sure you shoot twice.*

03-25-2008, 11:06 AM	#2
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,691	I wonder if the Police will show up in there SWAT uniforms ?

03-25-2008, 12:39 PM	#4
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 1,466	So if you deny them the right to search your house...what are the consequences? They don't have warrants, right?

03-25-2008, 12:49 PM	#6
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 1,466	None of it makes sense to me. The police should have bigger things to worry about. Besides, if they would allow citizens to protect themselves and protect their own homes, they wouldn't have half the problems that they do right now.

03-25-2008, 01:40 PM	#9
OkieHenry Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Tahlequah, Oklahoma Posts: 78	If they get away with this once where will it end? can I expect two or three years from now answering a knock at my door and the police say we need to search you home for anything illeagle. not that i have anything thats illeagle, but i mean this could start of something that spreads. we have constitutional rights for now but they keep taking more of them away. when is someone going to say ENOUGH!!!

03-25-2008, 04:47 PM	#11
TACAV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 207	I dont blame the police for this so much as the idiot politicians above them pressuring them to do so. The police have better things to do and they know it too.

03-25-2008, 04:58 PM	#13
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 907	First Chicago, and now D.C. I'll bet they are desperately trying for more "ammo" for the Heller case. [See, look at all the guns we found] Just do not open the door. No warrant, no search. I heard if you refuse, that gives them probable cause for a warrant. they are doing the same thing in Dallas, it's called knock and chat. If this is plan B, it ain't good. Stand up America, tell them no! Where is the line in the sand, people?

03-25-2008, 05:35 PM	#18
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 2,887	Now do you think they right down the names and or addresses of those that didn't participate so that they can later go in with a search warrant? Thinking they didn't participate because they have or may have something to hide, I wonder? Wouldn't put it past them that's for sure. __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

03-25-2008, 07:36 PM	#20
simpleman601 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 79	So what you do is start screming NO!!!.... Take your guns to a friends house By the time they get back with a warrent only to find a pellet rifle.. jokes on them hehehe __________________ "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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