Supreme court decisions

[samuel]

I had felt that the Supreme Court would hand the Wash.D.C. gun ban decision back down to the lower courts.But based on their findings on limiting free soeech in political matters,the right of a property owner to do with their porperty as they wish,(actually you don't even own the property you own now)giving Gitmo detainees U.S. citizens rights in court,and now illegal aliens can stay in the U.S. and work for the right to become U.S. citizens,I believe they will make a decision on the second ammendment.If it follows the rulings that have come down lately,I expect a very bad day for the second ammendment and the right to defend ourselves in any way.It seems we are no longer getting interpritation of existing laws,we are getting personal opinions that advance some justices agenda. sam.

[Mad Hatter]

When is that decision due... soon right ?

[Pred]

Anyone see where Oklahoma declared sovereignty? Montana has threatened to leave the union if the SCOTUS says the 2nd is not an individuals right....

[SKS NOOB]

What they SHOULD do is not act on what they think it means TODAY, but what it meant to the FOUNDING FATHERS back then. That way we could properly understand the wording and go from there.

[Seabeescotty]

We the people are in trouble, for ignoring the happenings around us, that affect our lives, and futures....

[FS00008]

So have they made a decision yet?

[Windwalker]

Pred, I missed the Oklahoma sovereignty bit. What was said?

[USAF_462/2W1X1]

Interesting stuff, I kinda get what it is saying, but I still need a little interpreting! lol

STATE OF OKLAHOMA
2nd Session of the 51st Legislature (2008)
HOUSE JOINT
RESOLUTION 1089 By: Key
AS INTRODUCED
A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the
Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United
States over certain powers; serving notice to the
federal government to cease and desist certain
mandates; and directing distribution.
WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United
States reads as follows:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to
the States respectively, or to the people."; and
WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal
power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the
United States and no more; and
WHEREAS, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means
that the federal government was created by the states specifically
to be an agent of the states; and

WHEREAS, today, in 2008, the states are demonstrably treated as
agents of the federal government; and
WHEREAS, many federal mandates are directly in violation of the
Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and
WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York
v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not
simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the
states; and
WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and
some now pending from the present administration and from Congress
may further violate the Constitution of the United States.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
AND THE SENATE OF THE 2ND SESSION OF THE 51ST OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:
THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the
Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all
powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal
government by the Constitution of the United States.
THAT this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government,
as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates
that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated
powers.
THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the President
of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the
Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker

of the House and the President of the Senate of each state's
legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the
Oklahoma Congressional Delegation.

http://www.ok-safe.com/files/documen...JR1089_int.pdf

http://www.okhouse.gov/51LEG/Leg_Vot...e=okh01983.txt

Sounds oddly familiar... like 1860 familiar!

I guess what Montana said was basicly that the US government approved their state's constitution granting an INDIVIDUAL'S right to bear arms and said the US government at the time said the state constitution was in line with the 2nd Amendment and so approved it. They are saying if the SCOTUS sides with the COLLECTIVE'S right and not the individual's, then the US government is in breach of contract... more or less...

I have to agree, and if the SCOTUS should NOT side with the individuals right, then Abraham Lincoln's words come to mind, in part:
"...When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy."

[Windwalker]

Thank you very much USAF 462/2W1X1. This could get interesting.

[FS00008]

Sounds right to me. Makes me want to move to Oklahoma or Montana :-D

[Lizard]

Originally Posted by USAF_462/2W1X1

Interesting stuff, I kinda get what it is saying, but I still need a little interpreting! lol

STATE OF OKLAHOMA
2nd Session of the 51st Legislature (2008)
HOUSE JOINT
RESOLUTION 1089 By: Key
AS INTRODUCED
A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the
Tenth Amendm . . . "

Knowing the way that Oklahoma goes, I tend to think that this is more likely to be about money coming from Washington with strings attached than about personal liberty.

I like Oklahoma, but it's not a bastion of personal freedoms. And our legislature tends to be a buncha fum ducks, also.

[toolman]

We The People, reserve the right to kick our elected officials in thier teeny-tiny little 'nads until they learn to listen to us.....If only I were King! Wait, then you guys would be kicking ME...
O.K., new amendment: "We The People reserve the right to kick everyone but Toolman..........

[LEE3370]

Originally Posted by Mad Hatter

When is that decision due... soon right ?

So, does anyone know?

[samuel]

All I know is they said near the end of the month of june.I think they go on vacation after that.The way they are taking over congress'job of writing new laws instead of interpreting existing laws,I wish they would stay on vacation. sam.

[LEE3370]

Originally Posted by samuel

All I know is they said near the end of the month of june.I think they go on vacation after that.The way they are taking over congress'job of writing new laws instead of interpreting existing laws,I wish they would stay on vacation. sam.

Thanks

[AKHunter]

The the tenth amendment is what gives the states the power to govern themselves without government intrusion.... that was thrown to the dogs decades ago.

The federal gov. is supposed to act on behalf of the states, not mandate state law making etc.

A good example is when the feds strongarm states to impose a lower speed limit by witholding transportation funds, until the states comply.

Otherwise known as blackmail via taxpayer money.

[samuel]

Thanks AKH,intresting,wonder how long flyover states are going to let costal states make their laws for them? sam.